Re: [VoiceOps] Automatic 911 location updates
Now there's an idea that is both easy to implement, and should be reliable. Of course, for home routers then you'd have no 911 location though. But at least at a company level they'd auto-provision. On the other hand we can do that one by IP too. On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:45 AM Matthew Crocker wrote: > Location information should be pushed to the phone via DHCP. The DHCP > server can get option82 information from the PoE switch port. The phone > should then include the information in an INVITE for emergency calls based > on its dial plan. The carrier can pass the information through to the NG911 > PSAP. > > > On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:36 AM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: > > > > That’s A-GPS using WiFi and related location databases. A raw, basic, > $40 gps module attached to an arduino gets nothing useful in the middle of > my standard wood and stucco house. > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Oct 25, 2018, at 10:48 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn > wrote: > >> > >> Depends on the construction. > >> I usually get a good GPS fix on my cell phone indoors. > >> > >> Then again, I don't work in the 4th sub-basement of a skyscraper. ;) > >> > >> -A > >> > >>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:36 PM Carlos Alvarez > wrote: > >>> > >>> They don’t work indoors. > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sent from my iPad > >>> > On Oct 25, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via VoiceOps < > voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote: > > I've always wondered why VoIP phones don't have a cheap GPS chip in > them. > > Sure, it could raise all sorts of problems from a spoofing > perspective, but for valid 911 calls it could come in handy... > > -A > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 4:41 PM Ryan Delgrosso < > ryandelgro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Automatic, nope. Psuedo-auto im looking at it now. > > > > West supports sending custom headers to indicate a phones location > inside a building to provide additional routing info but nothing using > geo-location. > > > > You could leverage this to have phones send custom headers based on > network location. > > > > I have not seen anything using geo-ip or GPS primarily because most > IP handsets dont to those things. > > > > > > > > On 10/23/2018 4:21 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: > > > > Is anyone doing this yet? The ability to detect the location of a > phone and automatically update the 911 address? Yes, I realize it's a > difficult if not impossible thing, yet thought I'd ask since a customer > asked me. > > > > > > > > ___ > > VoiceOps mailing list > > VoiceOps@voiceops.org > > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > > > > > > ___ > > VoiceOps mailing list > > VoiceOps@voiceops.org > > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > ___ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps@voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > >>> ___ > >>> VoiceOps mailing list > >>> VoiceOps@voiceops.org > >>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > > ___ > > VoiceOps mailing list > > VoiceOps@voiceops.org > > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] Automatic 911 location updates
Location information should be pushed to the phone via DHCP. The DHCP server can get option82 information from the PoE switch port. The phone should then include the information in an INVITE for emergency calls based on its dial plan. The carrier can pass the information through to the NG911 PSAP. > On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:36 AM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: > > That’s A-GPS using WiFi and related location databases. A raw, basic, $40 gps > module attached to an arduino gets nothing useful in the middle of my > standard wood and stucco house. > > > -- > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 25, 2018, at 10:48 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: >> >> Depends on the construction. >> I usually get a good GPS fix on my cell phone indoors. >> >> Then again, I don't work in the 4th sub-basement of a skyscraper. ;) >> >> -A >> >>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:36 PM Carlos Alvarez wrote: >>> >>> They don’t work indoors. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my iPad >>> On Oct 25, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via VoiceOps wrote: I've always wondered why VoIP phones don't have a cheap GPS chip in them. Sure, it could raise all sorts of problems from a spoofing perspective, but for valid 911 calls it could come in handy... -A > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 4:41 PM Ryan Delgrosso > wrote: > > Automatic, nope. Psuedo-auto im looking at it now. > > West supports sending custom headers to indicate a phones location inside > a building to provide additional routing info but nothing using > geo-location. > > You could leverage this to have phones send custom headers based on > network location. > > I have not seen anything using geo-ip or GPS primarily because most IP > handsets dont to those things. > > > > On 10/23/2018 4:21 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: > > Is anyone doing this yet? The ability to detect the location of a phone > and automatically update the 911 address? Yes, I realize it's a > difficult if not impossible thing, yet thought I'd ask since a customer > asked me. > > > > ___ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps@voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > > > ___ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps@voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >>> ___ >>> VoiceOps mailing list >>> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > ___ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps@voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] Automatic 911 location updates
That’s A-GPS using WiFi and related location databases. A raw, basic, $40 gps module attached to an arduino gets nothing useful in the middle of my standard wood and stucco house. -- Sent from my iPad > On Oct 25, 2018, at 10:48 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: > > Depends on the construction. > I usually get a good GPS fix on my cell phone indoors. > > Then again, I don't work in the 4th sub-basement of a skyscraper. ;) > > -A > >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:36 PM Carlos Alvarez wrote: >> >> They don’t work indoors. >> >> >> -- >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 25, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via VoiceOps >>> wrote: >>> >>> I've always wondered why VoIP phones don't have a cheap GPS chip in them. >>> >>> Sure, it could raise all sorts of problems from a spoofing >>> perspective, but for valid 911 calls it could come in handy... >>> >>> -A On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 4:41 PM Ryan Delgrosso wrote: Automatic, nope. Psuedo-auto im looking at it now. West supports sending custom headers to indicate a phones location inside a building to provide additional routing info but nothing using geo-location. You could leverage this to have phones send custom headers based on network location. I have not seen anything using geo-ip or GPS primarily because most IP handsets dont to those things. On 10/23/2018 4:21 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: Is anyone doing this yet? The ability to detect the location of a phone and automatically update the 911 address? Yes, I realize it's a difficult if not impossible thing, yet thought I'd ask since a customer asked me. ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >>> ___ >>> VoiceOps mailing list >>> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >> ___ >> VoiceOps mailing list >> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] Automatic 911 location updates
I don't think anyone wants to implement a YMMV solution especially in a situation with such liability. > On Oct 26, 2018, at 1:48 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via VoiceOps > wrote: > > Depends on the construction. > I usually get a good GPS fix on my cell phone indoors. > > Then again, I don't work in the 4th sub-basement of a skyscraper. ;) > > -A > >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:36 PM Carlos Alvarez wrote: >> >> They don’t work indoors. >> >> >> -- >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 25, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via VoiceOps >>> wrote: >>> >>> I've always wondered why VoIP phones don't have a cheap GPS chip in them. >>> >>> Sure, it could raise all sorts of problems from a spoofing >>> perspective, but for valid 911 calls it could come in handy... >>> >>> -A On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 4:41 PM Ryan Delgrosso wrote: Automatic, nope. Psuedo-auto im looking at it now. West supports sending custom headers to indicate a phones location inside a building to provide additional routing info but nothing using geo-location. You could leverage this to have phones send custom headers based on network location. I have not seen anything using geo-ip or GPS primarily because most IP handsets dont to those things. On 10/23/2018 4:21 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: Is anyone doing this yet? The ability to detect the location of a phone and automatically update the 911 address? Yes, I realize it's a difficult if not impossible thing, yet thought I'd ask since a customer asked me. ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >>> ___ >>> VoiceOps mailing list >>> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >> ___ >> VoiceOps mailing list >> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > ___ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps@voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] Automatic 911 location updates
GPS doesn't function particularly well indoors for a variety of technical reasons. > On Oct 26, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via VoiceOps > wrote: > > I've always wondered why VoIP phones don't have a cheap GPS chip in them. > > Sure, it could raise all sorts of problems from a spoofing > perspective, but for valid 911 calls it could come in handy... > > -A >> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 4:41 PM Ryan Delgrosso >> wrote: >> >> Automatic, nope. Psuedo-auto im looking at it now. >> >> West supports sending custom headers to indicate a phones location inside a >> building to provide additional routing info but nothing using geo-location. >> >> You could leverage this to have phones send custom headers based on network >> location. >> >> I have not seen anything using geo-ip or GPS primarily because most IP >> handsets dont to those things. >> >> >> >> On 10/23/2018 4:21 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: >> >> Is anyone doing this yet? The ability to detect the location of a phone and >> automatically update the 911 address? Yes, I realize it's a difficult if >> not impossible thing, yet thought I'd ask since a customer asked me. >> >> >> >> ___ >> VoiceOps mailing list >> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >> >> >> ___ >> VoiceOps mailing list >> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > ___ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps@voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
