Re: [VoiceOps] Vendor Pros\Cons

2021-12-17 Thread Charles Boening 
We have a mix of TDM and SIP for PSTN connectivity.

I heard there were issues with Netsapiens servicing customers in different 
states and/or LATAs within a single platform.  Not sure about your deployment 
but do you know if that's still the case?

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From: VoiceOps  On Behalf Of Matthew Crocker
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We were a VocalData (aka Tekelec T6k, aka Genband M6, aka Broadsoft M6) shop 
that migrated to Broadworks.  We moved from Broadworks to Cisco PaaS 
(Broadworks) 4 years ago.   I just purchased Netsapiens with their fully 
managed solution and will be migrating customers away from Cisco PaaS to  
Netsapiens.

IMHO Cisco has ignored Broadworks since they purchased it, feature set is 
falling behind.   We are 100% SIP in/out with 0 TDM anywhere in the network.

We've had customers we have migrated 3 times already,  time to migrate them a 
4th (last??) time.



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Metaswitch will soon be running on Azure for Operators
Ribbon
Cisco/BSFT or talk to Averistar about running BroadWorks for you
Alianza
netsapiens (now CXDO)
2600Hz (Kazoo)
cloudya by NFON

Biscom
WLC
and a few smaller others

On 12/17/2021 2:15 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
We've been running Metaswitch for 15 years and are looking to refresh what we 
have.

Who else operates at that tier? I'm talking to Ribbon. I'm hesitant to talk to 
to Broadsoft because they're part of Cisco, but if I should, I should...

Obviously, there are rather limited venues to gain third-party feedback on the 
platforms, so I figured I'd ask here.


Thanks.



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Re: [VoiceOps] Vendor Pros\Cons

2021-12-17 Thread Matthew Crocker 

We were a VocalData (aka Tekelec T6k, aka Genband M6, aka Broadsoft M6) shop 
that migrated to Broadworks.  We moved from Broadworks to Cisco PaaS 
(Broadworks) 4 years ago.   I just purchased Netsapiens with their fully 
managed solution and will be migrating customers away from Cisco PaaS to  
Netsapiens.

IMHO Cisco has ignored Broadworks since they purchased it, feature set is 
falling behind.   We are 100% SIP in/out with 0 TDM anywhere in the network.

We’ve had customers we have migrated 3 times already,  time to migrate them a 
4th (last??) time.



From: VoiceOps  on behalf of Peter Rad 

Date: Friday, December 17, 2021 at 3:25 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org 
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Vendor ProsCons
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Metaswitch will soon be running on Azure for Operators
Ribbon
Cisco/BSFT or talk to Averistar about running BroadWorks for you
Alianza
netsapiens (now CXDO)
2600Hz (Kazoo)
cloudya by NFON

Biscom
WLC
and a few smaller others


On 12/17/2021 2:15 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
We've been running Metaswitch for 15 years and are looking to refresh what we 
have.

Who else operates at that tier? I'm talking to Ribbon. I'm hesitant to talk to 
to Broadsoft because they're part of Cisco, but if I should, I should...

Obviously, there are rather limited venues to gain third-party feedback on the 
platforms, so I figured I'd ask here.


Thanks.



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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest Internet Exchange
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Re: [VoiceOps] Vendor Pros\Cons

2021-12-17 Thread Charles Boening 
We’ve been on Meta for about 15 years as well (DMS10 network prior).  I believe 
we received our gear towards the end of 2006 and commissioned Q1 2007.

We’re a fairly small shop.  We have EAS, N-Series (Conference/MOH), SAS, a 
single Perimeta, CFS and two UMG.  We just did a UMG refresh out of the legacy 
3510 to the newer ATCA platform.  It went very well.  We’ll be converting our 
other 3510 in 2022.  We also did a CFS replacement from the old server 
architecture to a new one that’s all virtualized.  Again, it went very well.

We’ve looked at Ribbon off and on over the years but haven’t seen a driving 
reason to change.  We quoted their robocall solution and it was a bit 
ridiculous in my opinion.  I believe it was even more than what Metaswitch 
wanted for their solution with no additional benefit.

I do wish Meta would lower support costs a bit.  


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From: VoiceOps  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:15 AM
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Subject: [VoiceOps] Vendor Pros\Cons

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We've been running Metaswitch for 15 years and are looking to refresh what we 
have.

Who else operates at that tier? I'm talking to Ribbon. I'm hesitant to talk to 
to Broadsoft because they're part of Cisco, but if I should, I should...

Obviously, there are rather limited venues to gain third-party feedback on the 
platforms, so I figured I'd ask here.


Thanks.



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Re: [VoiceOps] Vendor Pros\Cons

2021-12-17 Thread Peter Rad 



Metaswitch will soon be running on Azure for Operators
Ribbon
Cisco/BSFT or talk to Averistar about running BroadWorks for you
Alianza
netsapiens (now CXDO)
2600Hz (Kazoo)
cloudya by NFON

Biscom
WLC
and a few smaller others



On 12/17/2021 2:15 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
We've been running Metaswitch for 15 years and are looking to refresh 
what we have.


Who else operates at that tier? I'm talking to Ribbon. I'm hesitant to 
talk to to Broadsoft because they're part of Cisco, but if I should, I 
should...


Obviously, there are rather limited venues to gain third-party 
feedback on the platforms, so I figured I'd ask here.



Thanks.



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Re: [VoiceOps] Vendor Pros\Cons

2021-12-17 Thread Matthew Yaklin 
I have ran asterisk, coppercom, Taqua, broadsoft, killed off DMSs, still 
killing C15 traffic, and Meta. Meta is by far the best but I do not pay the 
bills. Combined with perimeta and SAS they are a very nice experience overall. 
Meta support is also pretty good.

We still do a lot of legacy TDM but mainly SIP/hosted pbx now days. So the UMGs 
still play a pretty big role to the point we are even migrating to new UMGs so 
we can continue to upgrade to the newest code.

Now I cannot pretend to know or have used what else is out there like Sonus or 
whatever I see some of the bigger players using but I would be super hesitant 
to even think about leaving meta due to our needs.

For hosted PBX broadsoft stand alone redundant servers were ok.. no real 
complaints except constant code upgrades and patching back when I was using 
them. They worked nicely. The broadsoft service that they hosted and you paid 
for connections to which I did not setup was silly expensive. I just helped 
move off of that.

At this point in time I really do not know of a meta replacement if you want a 
full blown switch that can do most everything and scale to multiple states. We 
are not doing their new virtualization stuff on commodity hardware yet for most 
pieces. AMS servers sure we do but not the rest.

I get all the lingo mixed up with so many brands/years/age so excuse any 
mistake above but if someone can suggest a meta replacement I would be curious 
to know of it.

Matt

From: VoiceOps  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 2:15 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: [VoiceOps] Vendor Pros\Cons

We've been running Metaswitch for 15 years and are looking to refresh what we 
have.

Who else operates at that tier? I'm talking to Ribbon. I'm hesitant to talk to 
to Broadsoft because they're part of Cisco, but if I should, I should...

Obviously, there are rather limited venues to gain third-party feedback on the 
platforms, so I figured I'd ask here.


Thanks.



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[VoiceOps] Vendor Pros\Cons

2021-12-17 Thread Mike Hammett 
We've been running Metaswitch for 15 years and are looking to refresh what we 
have. 


Who else operates at that tier? I'm talking to Ribbon. I'm hesitant to talk to 
to Broadsoft because they're part of Cisco, but if I should, I should... 


Obviously, there are rather limited venues to gain third-party feedback on the 
platforms, so I figured I'd ask here. 




Thanks. 




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