Re: [VoiceOps] Local calling tariff database

[BackUP Telecom Consulting]

Correct.and the tariffs of the called party's carrier identify 
determine whether the calling party is making a local or toll call. 
Local calling areas are very weird with the ILECs because two rate 
centers can make a local call to the same rate center but if you make a 
call between those two rate centers it's considered toll. For example, 
in my area Franklin and Murfreesboro are considered local to Nashville, 
but a call between Franklin and Murfreesboro is toll.


Mary Lou Carey

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On 2017-11-14 06:40 PM, Matthew Crocker wrote:

The NPANXX of the CallingParty sets the rate center.  The rate center
sets the list of all local NPANXX for the CalledParty.  If the
CalledParty NPANXX is in the list then it is a local call.

LRN has nothing to do with it

On Nov 14, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Alex Balashov 
wrote:


On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 01:48:20PM -1000, Erik wrote:


You can port out of a rate center what u can't do is port out of a



LATA so if you're a clec the LRN does truly matter for cost
depending



how you route your tandem traffic vs VoIP traffic.


You can't port out of a rate centre.

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Re: [VoiceOps] Local calling tariff database

[Erik]

The calling party sets the initial calling area but the LRN has a lot to do
with it if it's a ported TN at least in the LATA I'm in. Example below All
numbers in the same LATA

Caller : 808-369-8000 HNLL rate center via NANPA

Called Party: 808-749-8000 outer island
LRN for called: 808-439-1000 HNLL rate center

CLEC/ILEC level here when the caller attempts the switch completes a dip to
query the LRN of the called number.

The switch then dials the LRN via SS7 or the tandem prior to the CLEC which
is located on the same island same rate center and presents the the Called
Number in the Called Number field of the SS7 transmission

The answering switch sends the call to the appropriate party.

Example 2:

Calling Party: 808-749-7000 Same NPA-NXX outer island

Calls same Called Party but the LRN is on a different island why because
switch is at that location and tandem hence different rate center. As Alex
stated the CLEC would pay intrastate toll to complete the call depending on
the PIC code but the call would not simply bill as local because caller and
called NPA-NXX is the same it's based on the result of the LRN. If no LRN
is returned the switch logic if programmed correctly will send the call to
the Tandem if the NPA-NXX-X is not located on the switch or out whatever
VoIP or Transit Trunk configured.

The LRN is associated with the CLLI which has a H. V. Coordinate that is
used for distance and billing CABS.

On Nov 14, 2017 2:40 PM, "Matthew Crocker"  wrote:

The NPANXX of the CallingParty sets the rate center.  The rate center sets
the list of all local NPANXX for the CalledParty.  If the CalledParty
NPANXX is in the list then it is a local call.

LRN has nothing to do with it

On Nov 14, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Alex Balashov 
wrote:

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 01:48:20PM -1000, Erik wrote:

You can port out of a rate center what u can't do is port out of a

LATA so if you're a clec the LRN does truly matter for cost depending

how you route your tandem traffic vs VoIP traffic.


You can't port out of a rate centre.

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Re: [VoiceOps] Local calling tariff database

[Matthew Crocker]

The NPANXX of the CallingParty sets the rate center.  The rate center sets the 
list of all local NPANXX for the CalledParty.  If the CalledParty NPANXX is in 
the list then it is a local call.

LRN has nothing to do with it

On Nov 14, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Alex Balashov 
> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 01:48:20PM -1000, Erik wrote:

You can port out of a rate center what u can't do is port out of a
LATA so if you're a clec the LRN does truly matter for cost depending
how you route your tandem traffic vs VoIP traffic.

You can't port out of a rate centre.

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Re: [VoiceOps] Local calling tariff database

[BackUP Telecom Consulting]

Local calling areas were determined by the ILECs/RBOCs. CLECs can offer 
their customers a  different local calling area, but I believe the CABS 
billing is still determined by the ILECs/RBOCs local calling area, which 
is listed in their tariffs.


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On 2017-11-14 05:39 PM, Jared Geiger wrote:

I have a related side question. Is a local calling area determined by
the LRN of the ANI or the DNIS?

~Jared

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Matthew Crocker
 wrote:


Telcordia LCA provides this data

http://www.trainfo.com/products_services/tra/downloads/lca.pdf [1]

Combined with the LERG you can get everything you need for NPANXX &
LCA

I have a script that eats it up and injects it into my Broadworks NS
for local call routing.  I use it for proper rating (billing trusts
the Broadworks rating) and 7 digit dials when available.

-Matt

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On 11/14/17, 2:45 PM, "VoiceOps on behalf of Alex Balashov"
 wrote:

Not for routing every single call out of a service provider it
isn't. :-)

On November 14, 2017 2:24:27 PM EST, BackUP Telecom Consulting
 wrote:

Localcallingguide.com and it's free!

Mary Lou Carey

BackUP Telecom Consulting

615-791-9969 [2]

On 2017-11-14 02:44 AM, Alex Balashov wrote:

Where can one get a digest of local access tariffs that is
complementary
to machine processing?

Ten years ago, when I last cared about this, the canonical

answer was

CCMI. Is that still the answer?

Any idea on pricing? Does anyone offer
"can-this-NPA-NXX-call-that-NPA-NXX-locally"-aaS, but

reliably?

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Re: [VoiceOps] Local calling tariff database

[Erik]

Yes you are certainly correct they only pay a fraction of a fraction of a
penny based on an old mileage calculation. You can easily avoid this charge
with trunks to the tandem in the location in question.

On Nov 14, 2017 2:01 PM, "Alex Balashov"  wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 06:59:16PM -0500, Alex Balashov wrote:
>
> > Well, correction; you can port to a CLEC that can pick up the traffic at
> > the tandem without DEOTs. That CLEC can have an entirely different local
> > calling footprint and a different tariff. LCAs are basically an
> > ILEC/RBOC concept, and that is the concept in which I am discussing them
> > here.
>
> PPS. The catch is that the CLEC would have to pay switched access as
> opposed to reciprocal comp (or reciprocal bill-and-keep) when moving
> calls in a manner that would normally incur LD charges moving between
> ILEC rate centres intra-LATA.
>
> I think?
>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Local calling tariff database

[Alex Balashov]

Well, correction; you can port to a CLEC that can pick up the traffic at
the tandem without DEOTs. That CLEC can have an entirely different local
calling footprint and a different tariff. LCAs are basically an
ILEC/RBOC concept, and that is the concept in which I am discussing them
here.

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 06:54:34PM -0500, Alex Balashov wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 01:48:20PM -1000, Erik wrote:
> 
> > You can port out of a rate center what u can't do is port out of a
> > LATA so if you're a clec the LRN does truly matter for cost depending
> > how you route your tandem traffic vs VoIP traffic.
> 
> You can't port out of a rate centre. 
> 
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Re: [VoiceOps] Local calling tariff database

[Carlos Alvarez]

Um, how would it work if rate centers no longer matched, you know, the
actual location and rate...


On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Alex Balashov 
wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 01:48:20PM -1000, Erik wrote:
>
> > You can port out of a rate center what u can't do is port out of a
> > LATA so if you're a clec the LRN does truly matter for cost depending
> > how you route your tandem traffic vs VoIP traffic.
>
> You can't port out of a rate centre.
>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Local calling tariff database

[Alex Balashov]

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 01:48:20PM -1000, Erik wrote:

> You can port out of a rate center what u can't do is port out of a
> LATA so if you're a clec the LRN does truly matter for cost depending
> how you route your tandem traffic vs VoIP traffic.

You can't port out of a rate centre. 

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Re: [VoiceOps] Local calling tariff database

[Alex Balashov]

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 03:39:22PM -0800, Jared Geiger wrote:

> I have a related side question. Is a local calling area determined by
> the LRN of the ANI or the DNIS?

LRN shouldn't matter, because you can't port out of a rate centre. 

It is determined by ANI and DNIS. It's really determined by which tandem
trunk groups the call is put onto.

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Re: [VoiceOps] Local calling tariff database

[Jared Geiger]

I have a related side question. Is a local calling area determined by the
LRN of the ANI or the DNIS?

~Jared

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Matthew Crocker 
wrote:

>
>
> Telcordia LCA provides this data
>
> http://www.trainfo.com/products_services/tra/downloads/lca.pdf
>
> Combined with the LERG you can get everything you need for NPANXX & LCA
>
> I have a script that eats it up and injects it into my Broadworks NS for
> local call routing.  I use it for proper rating (billing trusts the
> Broadworks rating) and 7 digit dials when available.
>
> -Matt
>
> --
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> Crocker Communications, Inc.
> President
>
> On 11/14/17, 2:45 PM, "VoiceOps on behalf of Alex Balashov" <
> voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org on behalf of abalas...@evaristesys.com>
> wrote:
>
> Not for routing every single call out of a service provider it isn't.
> :-)
>
> On November 14, 2017 2:24:27 PM EST, BackUP Telecom Consulting <
> mary...@backuptelecom.com> wrote:
> >Localcallingguide.com and it's free!
> >
> >Mary Lou Carey
> >
> >BackUP Telecom Consulting
> >
> >615-791-9969
> >
> >On 2017-11-14 02:44 AM, Alex Balashov wrote:
> >> Where can one get a digest of local access tariffs that is
> >> complementary
> >> to machine processing?
> >>
> >> Ten years ago, when I last cared about this, the canonical answer
> was
> >> CCMI. Is that still the answer?
> >>
> >> Any idea on pricing? Does anyone offer
> >> "can-this-NPA-NXX-call-that-NPA-NXX-locally"-aaS, but reliably?
>
>
> -- Alex
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Re: [VoiceOps] Local calling tariff database

[Matthew Crocker]

Telcordia LCA provides this data

http://www.trainfo.com/products_services/tra/downloads/lca.pdf

Combined with the LERG you can get everything you need for NPANXX & LCA

I have a script that eats it up and injects it into my Broadworks NS for local 
call routing.  I use it for proper rating (billing trusts the Broadworks 
rating) and 7 digit dials when available.

-Matt 
 
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President

On 11/14/17, 2:45 PM, "VoiceOps on behalf of Alex Balashov" 
 wrote:

Not for routing every single call out of a service provider it isn't. :-) 

On November 14, 2017 2:24:27 PM EST, BackUP Telecom Consulting 
 wrote:
>Localcallingguide.com and it's free!
>
>Mary Lou Carey
>
>BackUP Telecom Consulting
>
>615-791-9969
>
>On 2017-11-14 02:44 AM, Alex Balashov wrote:
>> Where can one get a digest of local access tariffs that is 
>> complementary
>> to machine processing?
>> 
>> Ten years ago, when I last cared about this, the canonical answer was
>> CCMI. Is that still the answer?
>> 
>> Any idea on pricing? Does anyone offer
>> "can-this-NPA-NXX-call-that-NPA-NXX-locally"-aaS, but reliably?


-- Alex

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Re: [VoiceOps] Local calling tariff database

[Alex Balashov]

Not for routing every single call out of a service provider it isn't. :-) 

On November 14, 2017 2:24:27 PM EST, BackUP Telecom Consulting 
 wrote:
>Localcallingguide.com and it's free!
>
>Mary Lou Carey
>
>BackUP Telecom Consulting
>
>615-791-9969
>
>On 2017-11-14 02:44 AM, Alex Balashov wrote:
>> Where can one get a digest of local access tariffs that is 
>> complementary
>> to machine processing?
>> 
>> Ten years ago, when I last cared about this, the canonical answer was
>> CCMI. Is that still the answer?
>> 
>> Any idea on pricing? Does anyone offer
>> "can-this-NPA-NXX-call-that-NPA-NXX-locally"-aaS, but reliably?


-- Alex

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Re: [VoiceOps] Local calling tariff database

[BackUP Telecom Consulting]

Localcallingguide.com and it's free!

Mary Lou Carey

BackUP Telecom Consulting

615-791-9969

On 2017-11-14 02:44 AM, Alex Balashov wrote:
Where can one get a digest of local access tariffs that is 
complementary

to machine processing?

Ten years ago, when I last cared about this, the canonical answer was
CCMI. Is that still the answer?

Any idea on pricing? Does anyone offer
"can-this-NPA-NXX-call-that-NPA-NXX-locally"-aaS, but reliably?

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