Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[MiRTA PBX team]

I read good review too on Freeswitch, but if I master asterisk, is there
any reason I have to start learning a new product? Usually I move from
product A to product B when I need the feature X and it is not available in
product A while it is in product B. If you had the time to test both of
them, which feature do you find useful on Freeswitch and not available on
asterisk?

Leandro


2014-08-07 8:55 GMT+02:00 Gabriel Gunderson :

> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Colton Conor 
> wrote:
> > What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
> are
> > on the market today besides Broadsoft?
>
> Lots of comments about Asterisk.  If you're going to roll your own,
> that's a great solution.
>
> Frankly, I'm kinda surprised nobody has mentioned FreeSWITCH for
> rolling your own multitenant softswitch / PBX. We've had tons of
> success with it. Ultra configurable, very powerful, easy to scale and
> make redundant on commodity hardware. Of course, this isn't
> "turn-key".
>
> Good luck!
>
>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901]

anyone going to astricon in Vegas ?

Asterisk won't work for large networks as the sip gateway when you start
dealing with larger carriers.

But it's the best handset / pbx manager out there.

Aryn Nakaoka
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On Aug 6, 2014 10:03 PM, "MiRTA PBX team"  wrote:

> I read good review too on Freeswitch, but if I master asterisk, is there
> any reason I have to start learning a new product? Usually I move from
> product A to product B when I need the feature X and it is not available in
> product A while it is in product B. If you had the time to test both of
> them, which feature do you find useful on Freeswitch and not available on
> asterisk?
>
> Leandro
>
>
> 2014-08-07 8:55 GMT+02:00 Gabriel Gunderson :
>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Colton Conor 
>> wrote:
>> > What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx
>> systems are
>> > on the market today besides Broadsoft?
>>
>> Lots of comments about Asterisk.  If you're going to roll your own,
>> that's a great solution.
>>
>> Frankly, I'm kinda surprised nobody has mentioned FreeSWITCH for
>> rolling your own multitenant softswitch / PBX. We've had tons of
>> success with it. Ultra configurable, very powerful, easy to scale and
>> make redundant on commodity hardware. Of course, this isn't
>> "turn-key".
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
>> Gabe
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[georg]

Hi,

On 08/07/2014 10:01 AM, MiRTA PBX team wrote:
> I read good review too on Freeswitch, but if I master asterisk, is there
> any reason I have to start learning a new product? Usually I move from
> product A to product B when I need the feature X and it is not available in
> product A while it is in product B. If you had the time to test both of
> them, which feature do you find useful on Freeswitch and not available on
> asterisk?

Three years ago I made this switch, Asterisk to FreeSwitch, because of
this: missing features. At least I've never found out, how to do it with
Asterisk.

I wanted to route outgoing calls automatically to mobile phones via call
by call to save money. In the end I've used regular expressions [1] and
it worked (and still does) like a charm.

Can't talk about the current situation, because since then, never
"looked back".

Cheers,
Georg


[1] https://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Regular_Expression



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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[David Knell]

On 07/08/2014 09:01, MiRTA PBX team wrote:
I read good review too on Freeswitch, but if I master asterisk, is 
there any reason I have to start learning a new product? Usually I 
move from product A to product B when I need the feature X and it is 
not available in product A while it is in product B. If you had the 
time to test both of them, which feature do you find useful on 
Freeswitch and not available on asterisk?


We're in the (un)fortunate position of having developed multi-tenant 
PABXes based both around Asterisk and FreeSWITCH.  They both provide a 
perfectly good platform for this scenario, and it'd be more a matter of 
personal choice than anything as to which one's "better."


That said, we use FreeSWITCH pretty much exclusively for our SBCs and 
IVRs.  We did have bit of Kamailio mixed in for a while, but we didn't 
really need it's blindingly-fast performance and it was another point of 
failure.


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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

Yes, it seems Freeswitch is a better solution for multi tenant than
Asterisk. There doesn't seem to be many Freeswitch GUI's out there though?
Am I missing something?


On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 6:20 AM, David Knell  wrote:

>
> On 07/08/2014 09:01, MiRTA PBX team wrote:
>
> I read good review too on Freeswitch, but if I master asterisk, is there
> any reason I have to start learning a new product? Usually I move from
> product A to product B when I need the feature X and it is not available in
> product A while it is in product B. If you had the time to test both of
> them, which feature do you find useful on Freeswitch and not available on
> asterisk?
>
>
> We're in the (un)fortunate position of having developed multi-tenant
> PABXes based both around Asterisk and FreeSWITCH.  They both provide a
> perfectly good platform for this scenario, and it'd be more a matter of
> personal choice than anything as to which one's "better."
>
> That said, we use FreeSWITCH pretty much exclusively for our SBCs and
> IVRs.  We did have bit of Kamailio mixed in for a while, but we didn't
> really need it's blindingly-fast performance and it was another point of
> failure.
>
> --Dave
>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Gabriel Gunderson]

On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:01 AM, MiRTA PBX team  wrote:
> If you had the time to test both of them, which feature do you find useful
> on Freeswitch and not available on asterisk?

For me, it's the ability to configure every aspect of it dynamically
using the xml_curl option.

https://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Mod_xml_curl#Overview

That covers server configuration and dialplan. Super powerful stuff.


Best,
Gabe
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Peter Rad.]

From what I have been told, Asterisk can handle 300 simultaneous calls 
per user. Most ITSPs wouldn't know because they aren't seeing that kind 
of volume.


Cbeyond bought a company called Aretta that did Asterisk in containers - 
one for each customer. It became unmanageable.


Just some thoughts this morning.

Peter


On 8/6/2014 7:28 PM, MiRTA PBX team wrote:
I found really time and resource consuming having an asterisk (even if 
virtualized) for each client. I see a lots of companies failing when 
reaching around 40/50 virtual severs. The time needed to maintain all 
these servers were too big for the money the clients can provide. I 
think it is more convenient to have a multi tenant setup where a 
single central asterisk handle all the virtual pbx for the clients. 
The resources needed for a new client are almost zero and you can 
acquire even little office with just a couple of phones.


Leandro


2014-08-06 19:24 GMT+02:00 Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901 
mailto:anaka...@trinet-hi.com>>:


We use a virtualized asterisk per client - makes feature sets very
powerful. Then we have a centralized core for additional features
that Asterisk can not provide.  Its not auto provisioning, but
we're aiming for B2B vs. self-service market. Billing is done via
flat rate or A2Billing.

It'll come close to meta switch or broad soft but you will need to
service your clients. BUT you wold be 100% opensource.







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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:38 AM, MiRTA PBX team mailto:i...@mirtapbx.com>> wrote:

I almost agree with you, but I think instead of saying "The
drawback to Asterisk is you have to add lots of extra stuff" I
will say "The drawback to Asterisk is you have to DISABLE a
lots of extra stuff". Yes, if you are doing a pure SIP
routing, you may disable IAX and all other VoIP protocol you
do not need, you may disable all applications you don't use
and reduce asterisk to the bare minimum, but are they really
hurting you? I cannot compare asterisk to other VoIP software
because I just know asterisk, but having something "more" was
never been a problem. Problems can arise when you need a
feature and you do not have it. We are working in a highly
competitive market where we fight to the death for every
single customer, trying to pleasant them as much as we can.
Often clients have silly requests and I appreciate when I have
a software even capable to play chess with the caller while on
hold.

Leandro


2014-08-06 17:10 GMT+02:00 Eric Wieling mailto:ewiel...@nyigc.com>>:

A well spec'd Asterisk box can handle well 500+ calls if
audio is not going through Asterisk.The drawback to
Asterisk is you have to add lots of extra stuff. The few
GUIs availabe for Asterisk are all designed for SMBs, not
for a carrier.  I love Asterisk, but it would not come
close to fufilling the original poster's needs for things
like SMS (for some values of "SMS").




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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Paul Timmins]

Our asterisk system is peaking at over 800 standing calls without 
breaking a sweat.



On 08/07/2014 11:01 AM, Peter Rad. wrote:


From what I have been told, Asterisk can handle 300 simultaneous calls 
per user. Most ITSPs wouldn't know because they aren't seeing that 
kind of volume.


Cbeyond bought a company called Aretta that did Asterisk in containers 
- one for each customer. It became unmanageable.


Just some thoughts this morning.

Peter




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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Alex Balashov]

On 08/07/2014 11:26 AM, Paul Timmins wrote:


Our asterisk system is peaking at over 800 standing calls without
breaking a sweat.


That must be a fairly recent version.

In my experience, in the < 1000 channel arena, the real resource limits 
are generally around CPS, rather than concurrent calls.


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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[MiRTA PBX team]

It is really hard to define a max load for a dynamic system. I haven't done
any real testing, however my biggest client, using a two nodes system, is
managing over than 250 clients with over than 3000 extensions registered
and making/receiving more than 5 calls every day. The system is smooth
and the client is happy. I have no idea how many concurrent calls is
handling.

Leandro


2014-08-07 17:01 GMT+02:00 Peter Rad. :

>
> From what I have been told, Asterisk can handle 300 simultaneous calls per
> user. Most ITSPs wouldn't know because they aren't seeing that kind of
> volume.
>
> Cbeyond bought a company called Aretta that did Asterisk in containers -
> one for each customer. It became unmanageable.
>
> Just some thoughts this morning.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> On 8/6/2014 7:28 PM, MiRTA PBX team wrote:
>
> I found really time and resource consuming having an asterisk (even if
> virtualized) for each client. I see a lots of companies failing when
> reaching around 40/50 virtual severs. The time needed to maintain all these
> servers were too big for the money the clients can provide. I think it is
> more convenient to have a multi tenant setup where a single central
> asterisk handle all the virtual pbx for the clients. The resources needed
> for a new client are almost zero and you can acquire even little office
> with just a couple of phones.
>
>  Leandro
>
>
> 2014-08-06 19:24 GMT+02:00 Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901 <
> anaka...@trinet-hi.com>:
>
>>  We use a virtualized asterisk per client - makes feature sets very
>> powerful. Then we have a centralized core for additional features that
>> Asterisk can not provide.  Its not auto provisioning, but we're aiming for
>> B2B vs. self-service market. Billing is done via flat rate or A2Billing.
>>
>>  It'll come close to meta switch or broad soft but you will need to
>> service your clients. BUT you wold be 100% opensource.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Aryn H. K. Nakaoka
>> anaka...@trinet-hi.com
>>
>> Direct: 808.356.2901
>> Fax : 808.356.2919
>>
>>  Call me with our Browser Phone : https://encrypted.alohatone.com/3562901
>>
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>> 733 Bishop St. #1170
>> Honolulu, HI 96813
>> http://www.trinet-hi.com
>>
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>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:38 AM, MiRTA PBX team  wrote:
>>
>>> I almost agree with you, but I think instead of saying "The drawback to
>>> Asterisk is you have to add lots of extra stuff" I will say "The drawback
>>> to Asterisk is you have to DISABLE a lots of extra stuff". Yes, if you are
>>> doing a pure SIP routing, you may disable IAX and all other VoIP protocol
>>> you do not need, you may disable all applications you don't use and reduce
>>> asterisk to the bare minimum, but are they really hurting you? I cannot
>>> compare asterisk to other VoIP software because I just know asterisk, but
>>> having something "more" was never been a problem. Problems can arise when
>>> you need a feature and you do not have it. We are working in a highly
>>> competitive market where we fight to the death for every single customer,
>>> trying to pleasant them as much as we can. Often clients have silly
>>> requests and I appreciate when I have a software even capable to play chess
>>> with the caller while on hold.
>>>
>>>  Leandro
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-08-06 17:10 GMT+02:00 Eric Wieling :
>>>
A well spec’d Asterisk box can handle well 500+ calls if audio is
 not going through Asterisk.The drawback to Asterisk is you have to add
 lots of extra stuff. The few GUIs availabe for Asterisk are all designed
 for SMBs, not for a carrier.  I love Asterisk, but it would not come close
 to fufilling the original poster’s needs for things like SMS (for some
 values of “SMS”).



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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[MiRTA PBX team]

There is something similar also in Asterisk even if I have never used that.
I prefer to use ODBC and retrieve values from the database directly.

Leandro


2014-08-07 16:43 GMT+02:00 Gabriel Gunderson :

> On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:01 AM, MiRTA PBX team  wrote:
> > If you had the time to test both of them, which feature do you find
> useful
> > on Freeswitch and not available on asterisk?
>
> For me, it's the ability to configure every aspect of it dynamically
> using the xml_curl option.
>
> https://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Mod_xml_curl#Overview
>
> That covers server configuration and dialplan. Super powerful stuff.
>
>
> Best,
> Gabe
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Jesse Howard]

Let's not make this about Asterisk vs. FreeSwitch or why open source can do 
anything the commercial players can do (even if they can do it better or 
offered it years earlier).

The original poster asked about alternatives to Broadsoft with special 
attention to multi tenancy and commercial offerings. To my knowledge neither 
Asterisk (Digium) nor FreeSwitch offer a commercially viable product that 
competes directly with Broadsoft or provides a service provider management 
interface. My assumption is that the interface for provisioning and user 
management etc. is the driving force behind the use of the word "commercial" 
but I prefer not to make that assumption and ask the original poster to clarify 
those points.

Jesse

From: Paul Timmins [mailto:p...@timmins.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 10:26 AM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

Our asterisk system is peaking at over 800 standing calls without breaking a 
sweat.


On 08/07/2014 11:01 AM, Peter Rad. wrote:

>From what I have been told, Asterisk can handle 300 simultaneous calls per 
>user. Most ITSPs wouldn't know because they aren't seeing that kind of volume.

Cbeyond bought a company called Aretta that did Asterisk in containers - one 
for each customer. It became unmanageable.

Just some thoughts this morning.

Peter





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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[MiRTA PBX team]

I do not know Broadsoft and do not know Freeswitch so I will not compare
them with other products. I don't like comparing products I don't know, but
I have a big respect for "commercial" grade software. Having to deal with a
big, structured, hierarchical company is always a pleasure. I feel
comfortable while I explain my problems to my contact person for the
company who takes care of explaining them to the engineering, get the
answer and report to me, avoiding obscure technical words I often cannot
understand. What about support, yeah... I really like the way commercial
grade software nannies me with good music while I wait in line for the
right person to help me.

Leandro


2014-08-07 19:46 GMT+02:00 Jesse Howard :

>  Let’s not make this about Asterisk vs. FreeSwitch or why open source can
> do anything the commercial players can do (even if they can do it better or
> offered it years earlier).
>
>
>
> The original poster asked about alternatives to Broadsoft with special
> attention to multi tenancy and commercial offerings. To my knowledge
> neither Asterisk (Digium) nor FreeSwitch offer a commercially viable
> product that competes directly with Broadsoft or provides a service
> provider management interface. My assumption is that the interface for
> provisioning and user management etc. is the driving force behind the use
> of the word “commercial” but I prefer not to make that assumption and ask
> the original poster to clarify those points.
>
>
>
> Jesse
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Timmins [mailto:p...@timmins.net]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2014 10:26 AM
>
> *To:* voiceops@voiceops.org
> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides
> Broadsoft
>
>
>
> Our asterisk system is peaking at over 800 standing calls without breaking
> a sweat.
>
>
>
> On 08/07/2014 11:01 AM, Peter Rad. wrote:
>
>
> From what I have been told, Asterisk can handle 300 simultaneous calls per
> user. Most ITSPs wouldn't know because they aren't seeing that kind of
> volume.
>
> Cbeyond bought a company called Aretta that did Asterisk in containers -
> one for each customer. It became unmanageable.
>
> Just some thoughts this morning.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
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