Re: [volt-nuts] LTZ1000A Heater Temp (Ben Clark)

2015-02-13 Thread Randy Evans
Jan,

Would you please post the link to your plot?  I searched but haven't found
it yet.

thanks,

Randy Evans

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Jan Fredriksson  wrote:

> I posted a plot of calculated resistor values versus temperature in
> the LTZ1000 thread on the EVV blog yetserday. Email me if you can't
> find it.
>
> I guess the 3458A was specified to be used at north pole and desert
> heat, that's why they have such a high temperature setting. They could
> have a "laboratory version" and a "field version" of the reference
>
> I have a NI-4071 PXI DMM with a LTZ1000 and it uses 14.3 ratio to
> fulfill the PXI specified temperature range. Still higher than optimal
> for stability but the temperature in my PXI rack is typically 40C at
> 20C room temperature.
>
> my2C
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[volt-nuts] HP 3458A Vref LTZ1000 question

2015-02-13 Thread Richard Moore
I have a spare REV A Ref Board, 03458-66509, from a 3458A. I need to know if 
the LTZ1000 reference IC is a 1000 or a 1000A chip, as they have different temp 
set points and thermal losses. The LTZ1000 on my board only has the HP part 
number, 1826-1860. I have an HP X-ref, but this number is not listed. If anyone 
knows for sure which version of the LTZ1000 this is, it will help many besides 
myself.

Best,
Dick Moore
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Re: [volt-nuts] Zener, IC, references - which one

2015-02-13 Thread Hendrik Dietrich


Am 13.02.2015 14:31, schrieb Andrea Baldoni:

Hello All.

I would like to experiment with voltage references by putting them into a
ovenized chamber (a DOCXO with a broken crystal) with their bias and buffer
circuitry. The final goal will be to have the way to calibrate the HP 34401 as
well as other instruments, but now I want more to "learn by doing".

The chamber has his own heater so I'm not planning to use LTZ1000 or LM399
unless I leave their internal one unconnected.

Between the ones I am able to find new on the market, there are the zener
diodes 1N829A (6 EUR new, 8 EUR NOS), the LM399H (12 EUR), the LM329BZ (4 EUR),
while the LTZ1000 and the SZA263 are available used.

I'm more concerned with long term stability than TC because everything will lie
in a very constant temperature oven; I would like to use more expensive devices
only if they have some advantage (IE, the LTZ1000 is really better than 1N829A
or the advantage come by the fact it has his own oven?).
Also, about external circuitry, what op amp do you suggest? A chopper one is
probably not needed, always because it lies in a oven, and it may add noise.
And about resistors? Yes, there are Vishay Z-foil, but there are other with
worse tempco but same long term stability?

Best regards,
Andrea Baldoni
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Hi Andrea,

some comments:

A LTZ1000A voltage reference will not need an outer oven at all. 
Elevated outer temperature makes a elevated internal temp necessary and 
you can expect this to make long term drift worse due to aging. The LTZ 
just as everyone else likes to be as cold als reasonable possible. The 
circuit according to datasheet and good temperature setpoint give 
optimum results.


The LM399s are running very hot already, so this negative effect might 
not show up so much.


If I would have the OCXO can, I would stick several LM329 in it.

Also, if you want a 7V->10V stage with a opamp and resistive divider, 
these might benefit from the oven if they are inside.
Dont use the HP10544 oven, as it is using PWM and I think that is bad 
around a voltage reference. =)


Best regards

Hendrik



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[volt-nuts] Zener, IC, references - which one

2015-02-13 Thread Andrea Baldoni
Hello All.

I would like to experiment with voltage references by putting them into a
ovenized chamber (a DOCXO with a broken crystal) with their bias and buffer
circuitry. The final goal will be to have the way to calibrate the HP 34401 as
well as other instruments, but now I want more to "learn by doing".

The chamber has his own heater so I'm not planning to use LTZ1000 or LM399
unless I leave their internal one unconnected.

Between the ones I am able to find new on the market, there are the zener
diodes 1N829A (6 EUR new, 8 EUR NOS), the LM399H (12 EUR), the LM329BZ (4 EUR),
while the LTZ1000 and the SZA263 are available used.

I'm more concerned with long term stability than TC because everything will lie
in a very constant temperature oven; I would like to use more expensive devices
only if they have some advantage (IE, the LTZ1000 is really better than 1N829A
or the advantage come by the fact it has his own oven?).
Also, about external circuitry, what op amp do you suggest? A chopper one is
probably not needed, always because it lies in a oven, and it may add noise.
And about resistors? Yes, there are Vishay Z-foil, but there are other with
worse tempco but same long term stability?

Best regards,
Andrea Baldoni
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