Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent Issued
- Original Message - From: Christopher Arnold Subject: Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent Issued Chris, some corrections. Mike, As you said, you did not study the Correa patent yet insisted in commenting anyway - which was completely your mistake. MC: I said I did not study the new Correa patent. I did not comment on it. I did study the earlier Correa patents on the PAGD device very carefully, and wrote an article about it for IE. To begin with - they are without any doubt using the Alexeff Plasma Discharge Tube. Look at this was - the wheel is invented and someone eventually uses that wheel on a cart. They are still USING the wheel which was not their discovery. MC: By this reasoning, any discharge device would do. What Paulo told me and is in their early patents is that the PAGD effect was discovered in the course of research on X-ray devices. The explored many electrode configurations -- Alexadra is a qualified technical glassblower. The Alexeff device in your link is not the same confirguration the Coorea used. My understanding is that the effect does not depend on electrode configurations but on the specific operating conditions and external circuitry. . Second, the Correa's are calling it an Orgone Motor, however Reich never used electricity to either create or use Orgone - therefore the Correa's are lying about it's connection to Reich. Others have clearly stated that the Correa's are extremely rude, arrogant and down right nasty people that care only about themselves - and I have provided a post from them that proves this is true. MC: I am aware of email correspondence from the Correas and an associate. I spent a weekend with them as their guest and saw different aspects of their life and personality. Forget about their theft of my discoveries - they are lying about Orgone operating their device, because it is operated by electricity as clearly stated in the patent - NOT ORGONE. Lastly - I never said that these clowns did not duplicate Reich's discovery of heat rise within the orgone box, in fact I have also duplicated this and it proves Reich was onto something big, but the Correa's are just goofy. I told them I could rebuild the Orgone motor and they assumed that I was talking about my device - however these clowns are completely mistaken because what I proposed to them was not powered by electricity at all, but after their slanderous post calling ME a liar, I decided it was best to forget about further dealings with crazies like the Correa's. The application date of the Correa's new patent is AFTER I first called them to explain how my device works, and I guess they liked it enough to steal my Plasma Drive and couple it with their copy of the Alexeff Plasma Discharge Tube. Mike - since you still think the Correa's PAGD motor of the past was OU, exactly how much did you invest in this Seminole, Earth saving technology? MC: I said that the early patents show the PAGD driving a motor. There was no evidence in the patents, or anything that I have seen, that the system was OU in driving a motor. There is evidence that the PAGD cell is strongly OU. An experiment using two PAGD cells and battery packs showed that the battery packs gained energy over time without connection to an external source of power. As for the reference to Seminole, I don't know what you are talking about, nor have I made any investment in anything. MC: Chris, you are showing some of the attitudes and behavior of which you accuse the Correas. I have no interest in making any ajudications in this matter as I lack evidence. I present witness to what I have seen and done with respect tothe PAGD, not to the recent patent. Some of the phrasing suggests a recognition of problems in interfacing PAGD with the real world which I discussed with Paulo at one time. These may well have occurred independantly to the Correas and Harold Aspden. Mike Carrell Chris
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Wet/Dry Grind Garbage/Trash into Fuel Blend: _http://www.netzschusa.com/Grinding/Wetgrinddisp02.htm_ "All NETZSCH grinding machines are capable of obtaining a uniform particle size distribution in the micron and submicron (or nanometer) particle size range. Typically slurries are processed with 50 µm to 200 µm average particle size to less than 1 µm (submicron) average particle size. Slurries with particles as large as 2000 µm can be successfully processed to dispersions requiring 0.05 µm (50 nanometers) average particle size." http://www.warren-group.com/articles/grainpartI.html "*Dust Explosions in General" *"A dust explosion occurs when fine particles suspended in the air ignite and burn rapidly, causing a violent increase in pressure. In order to cause an explosion, the combustible mixture of air and dust must be contained in some type of vessel. Grains and other agricultural products are a common fuel for dust explosions due to the nature of their handling and storage. Any time that grain is handled or moved, potentially explosive dust is generated. The size of the dust particles also plays an important role in determining the severity of an explosion. A solid fuel only burns at its surface, where it is exposed to air. A cloud of very fine dust particles has a much greater surface area than a cloud of coarser particles. In addition, fine particles weigh less and tend to stay suspended in air longer. Generally speaking, particles smaller than 840 microns (0.033 inches) can be an explosion hazard." http://www.warren-group.com/articles/grainpartII.html "Of all types of dust explosions, those associated with grain dust are the most common and the most dangerous. Forty-eight percent of all dust explosions since 1900 have been associated with grain or other agricultural products. *USDA statistics indicate that from 1958 to 1982, there have been 434 grain dust explosions, resulting in 776 injuries, 209 deaths, and millions of dollars in damage.* Any time that grain is moved processed or handled, potentially combustible dust is generated. Air and ignition sources such as hot bearings and static electricity are inherently present in grain elevators, dryers and other basic handling equipment. Explosion and fire hazards exist anywhere that grain dust is present. Therefore, intelligent design, good safety practices, and careful housekeeping are necessary to prevent dangerous and costly accidents." *Electrolyze Garbage to Hydrogen:* *US 4,608,137 (1986) (Chevron Research Co.)* *"The carbonaceous materials suitable for use in accordance with the present invention include a wide variety of material such as bituminous coal, chars made from coal, lignite, peat, active carbons, coke, carbon blacks, graphite; wood or other lignocellulosic materials including forest products, such as wood waste, wood chips, sawdust, wood dust, bark, shavings, wood pellets; including various biomass materials as land or marine vegetation or its waste after other processing, including grasses, various cuttings, crops and crop wastes, coffee grounds, leaves, straw, pits, hulls, shells, stems, husks, cobs and waste materials including animal manure; sewage sludge resulting from municipal treatment plants, and plastics or the scraps or wastes formed in the production of plastic such as polyethylene, cellulose acetate and the like. Thus, it is seen that substantially any fuel or waste material whether a liquid, such as oil, a gas, such as ! ! methane or other ! ! hydrocarbon or waste material containing carbon, with the exception of CO.sub.2, provides a suitable source of carbonaceous material for use according to this invention."* Fred
[Vo]: YouTube and JC
Totally tubular, mon... YouTube is a year-old internet phenomenon, which is younger than Google video, but claims to showing 100 million videos per day. Check the Wiki entry if interested in that culture-factoid, which is not the subject of this post. However, the band-width required for this output is unbelievable. Copyright issues abound, but surprisingly are being dealt with more smoothly than with other media, such as music. Anyway, even though it is more of light-hearted - non-scientific orientation than google, there are many hits for the Joe Cell and hydrogen, a few of which are not on google. If you have not seen the claims before, here is a typical video of a Joe Cell (variety) running an ICE for a short time (presenting more questions than it answers) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9N8xz2Nn0Q Still only one company appears to be active at a grassroots level. The Canadian Company, Innovative Hydrogen Solutions Inc. continues to make the most noise - http://www.ihsresearch.com/h2n-gen.php There are some vids on their site and on YouTube Unfortunately, Canadian energy companies have a credibility level somewhere between used-car salesmen and Donald Rumsfeld. This one is fairly convincing, on the surface. Jones
Re: [Vo]: YouTube and JC
On 8/10/06, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still only one company appears to be active at a grassroots level. This one came up on gmail: http://savefuel.ca/oxy-hydrogen/ Gmail is interesting. They look at my postings and give me related links automatically. I'd be happy to invite any Vorts, if you wanna try it. (It's by invite only now.) Terry
Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent Issued
Mike,If you reread the original post where I "complimented" the Correa's and many others, you might notice it was I that was attacked by said Correa. BTW, I contacted over 4000 others not listed from all branches of the Government, NASA and Universities seeking some small assistance, to no avail because I had no credentials, etc and what I said just couldn't possibly be real - but it is.If others want to think I have a bad attitude for calling a Spade a Spade - so be it, but from here out I will work as I can without expecting anything but the SOSfrom others.Maybe some of the vorts should get off your duffs and invest in someone - and since Mike says the Correa's have an OU device - start with them.Best Regards, ChrisMike Carrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Christopher ArnoldSubject: Re: [Vo]: Correa Patent IssuedChris, some corrections.Mike,As you said, you did not study the Correa patent yet insisted in commenting anyway - which was completely your mistake.MC: I said I did not study the new Correa patent. I did not comment on it. I did study the earlier Correa patents on the PAGD device very carefully, and wrote an article about it for IE.To begin with - they are without any doubt using the Alexeff "Plasma Discharge Tube." Look at this was - the wheel is invented and someone eventually uses that wheel on a cart. They are still USING the wheel which was not their discovery.MC: By this reasoning, any discharge device would do. What Paulo told me and is in their early patents is that the PAGD effect was discovered in the course of research on X-ray devices. The explored many electrode configurations -- Alexadra is a qualified technical glassblower. The Alexeff device in your link is not the same confirguration the Coorea used. My understanding is that the effect does not depend on electrode configurations but on the specific operating conditions and external circuitry. .Second, the Correa's are calling it an Orgone Motor, however Reich never used electricity to either create or use Orgone - therefore the Correa's are lying about it's connection to Reich.Others have clearly stated that the Correa's are extremely rude, arrogant and down right nasty people that care only about themselves - and I have provided a post from them that proves this is true.MC: I am aware of email correspondence from the Correas and an associate. I spent a weekend with them as their guest and saw different aspects of their life and personality.Forget about their theft of my discoveries - they are lying about Orgone operating their device, because it is operated by electricity as clearly stated in the patent - NOT ORGONE.Lastly - I never said that these clowns did not duplicate Reich's discovery of heat rise within the orgone box, in fact I have also duplicated this and it proves Reich was onto something big, but the Correa's are just goofy. I told them I could rebuild the Orgone motor and they assumed that I was talking about my device - however these clowns are completely mistaken because what I proposed to them was not powered by electricity at all, but after their slanderous post calling ME a liar, I decided it was best to forget about further dealings with crazies like the Correa's.The application date of the Correa's new patent is AFTER I first called them to explain how my device works, and I guess they liked it enough to steal my Plasma Drive and couple it with their copy of the Alexeff Plasma Discharge Tube.Mike - since you still think the Correa's PAGD motor of the past was OU, exactly how much did you invest in this Seminole, Earth saving technology?MC: I said that the early patents show the PAGD driving a motor. There was no evidence in the patents, or anything that I have seen, that the system was OU in driving a motor. There is evidence that the PAGD cell is strongly OU. An experiment using two PAGD cells and battery packs showed that the battery packs gained energy over time without connection to an external source of power. As for the reference to "Seminole", I don't know what you are talking about, nor have I made any investment in anything.MC: Chris, you are showing some of the attitudes and behavior of which you accuse the Correas. I have no interest in making any ajudications in this matter as I lack evidence. I present witness to what I have seen and done with respect tothe PAGD, not to the recent patent. Some of the phrasing suggests a recognition of problems in interfacing PAGD with the real world which I discussed with Paulo at one time. These may well have occurred independantly to the Correas and Harold Aspden.Mike CarrellChris Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
