Re: [Vo]:Breathable Oxygen

[Wesley Bruce]

Harry Veeder wrote:



When hydrogen is burned in air, the oxygen in the air combines with hydrogen
to form H2O. Will breathable oxygen decline if we burn too much hydrogen?
I guess this would never be a problem if all the hydrogen burned comes from
the decomposition of H2O into H2 and O2.

But seriously, if everything was powered by burning hydrogen would the
proportion of oxygen in the air gradually decline?

For that matter, has burning hydrocarbons already decreased oxygen
levels?

Just wondering...
Harry

 

Nice question. I believe the answer is no because plants simply make 
more oxygen to replace what is used up. Water is cracked in the 
photosyntheic process so both water and CO2 is recycled. Also carbonic 
acid in rain reacts with some rocks to release oxygen and break down the 
rock. That's why some rocks turn rapidly to soil when unearthed. Organic 
acids also play a large part but oxygen was used up making these acids, 
so there's no net gain. While inorganic oxygen production is far 
exceeded by photosynthesis it does exist. There is also geological up 
take of oxygen in some minerals that are not oxidized when they come to 
the surface. They then rust absorbing oxygen. Some iron meteorites 
absorb a lot of oxygen as they burn up, high speed rusting. Chondritc 
meteorites actually burn they are hydrocarbon rich. There are also 
significant natural hydrogen releases with some kinds of volcanoes. The 
gas cycles on this planet are very interesting and quite complex.

[Vo]:Steorn Public Demonstration

[Wesley Bruce]

Esa Ruoho wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3aaRrEIp-0
videoupdate is here
theres supposed to be text incoming at around 6pm gmt.

Yes got that useful data but not much I need the get an NDA from them 
and find out some harder numbers.
The video shows me something Sean is a real believer. His body language 
and tone indicated a level of earnestness but not any thing that 
indicated a lie.
Looking at the idea that its a stock market scam but can't see any 
evidence of the kind of trading that would indicate a scam. No plays on 
the Neodymium markets indicated either.

[Vo]:Steorn Public Demonstration

[Wesley Bruce]

OK done on the forum and I suggested a way to close the loop on the 
kinetica toy that we've seen in you tube.

Lets see if they can clarify a little.


John Berry wrote:


Ok, there is only one question I need answered from Steorn.

I know Free Energy exists in the form they claim, I have not the 
slightest doubt.
However when it comes to their device I have never heard a straight 
answer to 'Does it run closed loop'


I'd ask on the forum but I can't post yet.

So maybe you could Wesley, on my behalf, simply put can Steorn or 
failing that one of the witnesses give a solid answer to:


Has the loop been closed? Has it been run with no input power beyond 
an initial impulse to get it started and done useful work 
continuously? (or run under any other fair closed loop (no input) type 
conditions)



If the answer to this is a yes no Jury is needed, and if the answer to 
that is 'No' a Jury with positive findings might even fail to utterly 
convince me.



On 4/13/07, *Wesley Bruce* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Ok that's good its still useful information. I and others need that
data. Nice to see that its not bad news. Several sites on the web are
expecting bigger things. Maybe I should pass this to them. Thanks
I know
what to look for and when. I have time to do a few chores. Feb to
August
is still quite a long testing schedule.

John Berry wrote:

> rosco:I can see a misconception storm gathering.
>
> By tech specs i think Sean has made it pretty clear on many
> occasions that he means power generation details and nothing
more.
> (i think)
>
>
>
> Yep, rosco is right - see the "Sean quote reference point" thread:
>
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=40661&page=2#Item_7

>
>
>
> On 4/13/07, *John Berry* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> >> wrote:
>
> HelixMultiverse: It's Friday 13th April 2007, 08.55 but I
> can't see any update yet. Anyone know where the update will
> appear on website (I've looked under 'News') or at what
time?
>
> HM
>
>
>
> Steorn: We plan to put the update up after lunch (for the video,
> text update at 6pm). I will also point out that there is no
'big'
> news here at all, as I stated many times over the last few
months.
> Its a quick update on what has happen since last August,
primarily
> designed for those who do not spend hours everyday on this
forum!
> Regular forum members will see little that is new, its
pretty much
> all been said in here.
>
>
> Suomipoika:I'm not sure I'm following. Are you going to release
> the detailed technical specifications to the public as you
> promised or not?
>
> Seconded. Is there going to be a text update with these
specs
> alongside the video update?
>
>
>
> Steorn: Yes, this will go up later in the day, around 6 PM GMT
> (the video update will go up around lunchtime).
>
> Suomipoika:: Excellent! Thanks for the answer!
> You said there's not gonna be anything new we forum members
didn't
> already knew. Why did you say so? Now you ARE going to release
> detailed technical specs, and that's definitely new information
> (and BIG news) for everybody. Did you change your mind after my
> question?
>
>
> On 4/13/07, *Wesley Bruce* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> >> wrote:
>
> John Berry wrote:
>
> > On 4/13/07, *Wesley Bruce* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> >
> > 
>  >
> >
> > PS Why are the Re:[Vo] subject line prefixes
stacking up?
> >
> >
> > Because it's a stupid [EMAIL PROTECTED] script and it should be 
nixed.
> (or fixed)
> >
> Yep. Thats what I thought.
> What's the old saying about watched pots they never
boils. I'm
> watching
> the Steorn website for any action but its only 10 am in
Dublin
> so I'm a
> little early.
> An "every things Ok" po

Re: [Vo]: Gravity is a Push

[Harry Veeder]

Jones Beene wrote:

> Harry Veeder wrote:
> 
>> the push theory has some serious theoretical difficulties
> to overcome. If gravity is a push why don't the planets spiral
> into the sun because whatever is doing the pushing would also
> have a drag effect on the planets.
> 
> 
> I am not well-versed in the details, but do have 'cut-and-paste'
> functionality ;-) ... but the superficial answer is that the drag effect
> in one vector is balanced by a boost in the other IF the system lacks an
> *arrow of time* WOW (am I mis-stating that conclusion)!
> 
> Are we essentially in a "timeless" orbit?

That would be kind of ironic, since classical mechanics and quantum
mechanics already depend on time symmetric laws of motion.

> Here is the first paragraph from the Ibison paper, which Terry mentions,
> and Xavier has his own explanation, which seems a bit less provocative:
> 
> "This document presents some results that provide support for the
> existence of time-symmetric electromagnetic interactions involving equal
> positive combinations of advanced and retarded fields. According to
> common experience however, electromagnetic interactions are exclusively
> retarded. Retardation establishes an electromagnetic arrow of time,
> which, coincidentally, agrees with the thermodynamic arrow of time ­ the
> direction of increasing entropy. Since these two could be interrelated,
> a conservative application of a time-symmetric theory with no danger of
> conflict with observation should be confined to systems lacking any
> arrow of time ­ thermodynamic or electromagnetic." END of Ibison quote
> 
> WOW. Those are some heavy duty implications, no? ... or else, this
> proves the point as stated at the start: "I am not well-versed in the
> details"
> 
> ...yet
> 
> Jones
> 

Harry

[Vo]:Clueless

[Wesley Bruce]

That makes more sense. Thanks Jed.
Jed Rothwell wrote:


Wesley Bruce wrote:


W thinks we already have PHEVs obviously:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/09/bush-almost-blows-himself-up/

Terry


Right, pull the other #$%^# leg. Another attempt by Ford to sabotage 
hybrids.



This was a joke, circulated by Ford Motor Co. President and CEO Alan 
Mulally. It was never intended to be taken seriously, but in the 
Internet age these things sometimes get out of hand. See:


http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070411/AUTO01/704110406/1013/BIZ04 



"Mulally's Bush tale ignites blog mania

WASHINGTON -- In the age of YouTube, the Drudge Report and the 
blogosphere, even a story told for laughs can spin out of control. . . ."


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:New edition of book

[R.C.Macaulay]

Jed, Will you be printing any copies and if so give us a price for packages 
of 10.

Richard
- Original Message - 
From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: [Vo]:New edition of book



I uploaded a new edition of my book "Cold Fusion and the Future":

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusiona.pdf

This has mainly minor changes, such as:

Some corrections to embarrassing mistakes, such as on p. 18. I had an 
average American automobile going 80 km on 97 MJ of energy. The correct 
answer -- I hope! -- is 27 km. I thank Wu-Shou Zhang for pointing out this 
error. I think I mixed up gallons and liters. You can't be too careful.


A revised evaluation of the cost of a massive desalination project, based 
on the cost of the new Ashkelon desalination plant in Israel, which is the 
world's biggest and cheapest per liter of water. The Ashkelon plant is not 
a co-generator, unlike the Saudi plants, so you have to add in the cost of 
the power supplies. That is, you have to add in the cost of electric 
generators for RO, or for the heat source with MSF. But with cold fusion 
these costs will be negligible so I think this is a good basis to make a 
rough estimate of a megaproject cost. This drops the estimate from $8.4 
trillion down to $3.9 trillion. That's still too much. It is roughly twice 
the eventual cost of the Iraq war, assuming the war ends when Bush leaves 
office. As I said, people will only spend that kind of money on war. (Or 
as Charles Dickens pointed out, we are always more willing to build 
prisons than schools.) But the project would be a lot cheaper with cold 
fusion and I think there is a good chance it will be done sometime in the 
next few hundred years.


Additional material from the upcoming Japanese edition, which I hope will 
be done & uploaded in a few more weeks. For example, I found a graph --  
Fig. 16.1, p. 131 -- that actually proves you can see Mt. Fuji from 
downtown Tokyo more often these days. It isn't just my imagination. More 
proof that we can make progress if only we try.


- Jed



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[Vo]:Breathable Oxygen

[Harry Veeder]

When hydrogen is burned in air, the oxygen in the air combines with hydrogen
to form H2O. Will breathable oxygen decline if we burn too much hydrogen?
I guess this would never be a problem if all the hydrogen burned comes from
the decomposition of H2O into H2 and O2.

But seriously, if everything was powered by burning hydrogen would the
proportion of oxygen in the air gradually decline?

For that matter, has burning hydrocarbons already decreased oxygen
levels?

Just wondering...
Harry

[Vo]:New edition of book

[Jed Rothwell]

I uploaded a new edition of my book "Cold Fusion and the Future":

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusiona.pdf

This has mainly minor changes, such as:

Some corrections to embarrassing mistakes, such as on p. 18. I had an 
average American automobile going 80 km on 97 MJ of energy. The 
correct answer -- I hope! -- is 27 km. I thank Wu-Shou Zhang for 
pointing out this error. I think I mixed up gallons and liters. You 
can't be too careful.


A revised evaluation of the cost of a massive desalination project, 
based on the cost of the new Ashkelon desalination plant in Israel, 
which is the world's biggest and cheapest per liter of water. The 
Ashkelon plant is not a co-generator, unlike the Saudi plants, so you 
have to add in the cost of the power supplies. That is, you have to 
add in the cost of electric generators for RO, or for the heat source 
with MSF. But with cold fusion these costs will be negligible so I 
think this is a good basis to make a rough estimate of a megaproject 
cost. This drops the estimate from $8.4 trillion down to $3.9 
trillion. That's still too much. It is roughly twice the eventual 
cost of the Iraq war, assuming the war ends when Bush leaves office. 
As I said, people will only spend that kind of money on war. (Or as 
Charles Dickens pointed out, we are always more willing to build 
prisons than schools.) But the project would be a lot cheaper with 
cold fusion and I think there is a good chance it will be done 
sometime in the next few hundred years.


Additional material from the upcoming Japanese edition, which I hope 
will be done & uploaded in a few more weeks. For example, I found a 
graph -- Fig. 16.1, p. 131 -- that actually proves you can see Mt. 
Fuji from downtown Tokyo more often these days. It isn't just my 
imagination. More proof that we can make progress if only we try.


- Jed

Re: TEST, is [Vo]: tag working NOW?!!!

[leaking pen]

seriously, i use gmail.  all the posts are marked vortex for me anyways!

On 4/13/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Just delete the fucking thing, Bill.  We lived forever without it.

Terry

(I'll give you fifty dollars (US) to restore the forum the way it was.)

PS  (tell me how to pay you.)

On 4/13/07, William Beaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My fault.   I think I got it this time.
>
> (( ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) )))
> William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website
> billb at amasci com http://amasci.com
> EE/programmer/sci-exhibits   amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair
> Seattle, WA  425-222-5066unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
>
>





--
That which yields isn't always weak.

Re: TEST, is [Vo]: tag working NOW?!!!

[Terry Blanton]

Just delete the fucking thing, Bill.  We lived forever without it.

Terry

(I'll give you fifty dollars (US) to restore the forum the way it was.)

PS  (tell me how to pay you.)

On 4/13/07, William Beaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


My fault.   I think I got it this time.

(( ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) )))
William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website
billb at amasci com http://amasci.com
EE/programmer/sci-exhibits   amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair
Seattle, WA  425-222-5066unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci

[Vo]:Fw: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday April 13, 2007

[Akira Kawasaki]

-Forwarded Message-from Akira Kawasaki

>From: What's New <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Apr 13, 2007 12:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday April 13, 2007

WHAT'S NEW   Robert L. Park   Friday, 13 Apr 07   Washington, DC

1. STEM CELLS: PRESIDENT BUSH VOWS TO PROTECT ONE-CELLED PEOPLE. 
The Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act passed the Senate 63-34,
but President Bush promises a veto.  He said the use of embryonic
stem cells in research "crosses a moral line."  In case you're
wondering where this "moral line" is drawn, WN has looked into
it.  George W. Bush and other conservative theologians believe a
"soul" is assigned to the fertilized egg at the instant of
conception.  That makes it a person, even though it's not counted
in the census.  In-vitro fertilization makes a lot more of these
one-celled people than it needs; leftovers are stacked in the
freezer until it starts filling up.  President Bush cares deeply
about these helpless one-celled people and wants to ensure they
are properly flushed down the disposal rather than exploited by
godless scientists interested only the reduction of suffering.  

2. DIABETES: STEM CELL THERAPY IS USED TO TREAT TYPE 1 DIABETES. 
In yesterday's Wash Post, Sen. Orin Hatch (R-UT), a long-time
proponent of stem cell research, is quoted as saying, "Our
country is in grave danger of falling behind in one of the most
promising fields of biomedical research."  We already have.  In a
very preliminary study, researchers at the University of Sao
Paolo in Brazil found that a remarkable 14 out of 15 type 1
diabetes sufferers were freed of dependence on insulin injections
after treatment with stem cells drawn from their own blood.  

3. SHUTTLE: SETTING A NEW AMERICAN RECORD FOR FLAG-POLE SITTING.
By delaying the launch of the hail-dinged shuttle Atlantis until
June, NASA has given Astronaut Sunita Williams a shot at the
coveted American record for continuous time in space.  The record
will be set by Michael Lopez-Alegria next week when he returns to
Earth on the Russian Soyuz.  The delay didn't bother Williams,
who told reporters, "I have lots to do up here."  Maybe she could
run another marathon.  But how do you run in zero-g anyway?

4. "NOR ANY DROP TO DRINK": SIGNS OF WATER ON EXTRA-SOLAR PLANET.
There's not likely to be a beach, and its 150 light-years away,
but Hubble measurements of a star named HD 209458b have been
interpreted as evidence of water in the atmosphere of a planet
that passes in front of the "Sun-like" star every 3.6 days.  The
real significance is the possibility of someday being able to
study the atmospheres of extra-solar planets for signs of life.

5. GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE: COOLING DOWN THE IPCC WARMING REPORT. 
The assessment of the impact of global warming issued by the IPCC
last Friday, grim though it was, had actually been toned down in
the final negotiations in Brussels at the insistence of the U.S.
and China.  According to the NY Times, Bush's top environmental
advisor told reporters that the report "reinforces" the policies
of the administration.  Without population control measures,
however, no other policies will help in the long run.

THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND.
Opinions are the author's and not necessarily shared by the
University of Maryland, but they should be.
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[Vo]:Garbage from George Will

[Jed Rothwell]

In my experience trying to talk to people about cold fusion and 
energy I have discovered that many journalists, politicians and other 
leading members of society are innumerate and scientifically 
illiterate. This should come as no surprise to the readers here, but 
sometimes extent of this general ignorance is jarring.


Attached is an article by George Will from the Washington Post about 
global warming that includes an outrageous comparison between the 
Prius and a Hummer. It is appalling that a major newspaper columnist 
such as Will gets away with publishing outlandish mistakes, numbers 
pulled out of a hat, and crazy notions such as the idea that a 
typical Prius owner will throw away the car before it wears out.


As we saw in January 2006 with the Kevles article, the Washington 
Post demands no rigor or accountability. Columnists write any damn 
thing that pops into their minds, and no follow-up correction or 
justification is published.


My mother often said that people are no more ignorant now than they 
used to be. Back in 1920 many important people and newspaper editors 
had no clue what electricity is, or that the earth orbits the sun. 
She said there were plenty of people in New York City who did not 
know where Europe is, or for that matter where the Statue of Liberty 
is. That is probably true, but it did not matter as much back then. 
The stakes were lower. Technology was not as powerful and there were 
fewer people. We were not on the verge of inducing global warming. We 
did not have thousands of thermonuclear weapons. Nowadays, ignorance 
causes more harm.


- Jed

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Washington Post

Fuzzy Climate Math

By George F. Will
Thursday, April 12, 2007; A27

In a campaign without peacetime precedent, the 
media-entertainment-environmental complex is warning about global 
warming. Never, other than during the two world wars, has there been 
such a concerted effort by opinion-forming institutions to 
indoctrinate Americans, 83 percent of whom now call global warming a 
" serious 
problem." Indoctrination is supposed to be a predicate for action 
commensurate with professions of seriousness.


For example, Democrats could demand that the president send the Kyoto 
Protocol to the Senate so they can embrace it. In 1997, the Senate 
voted95 
to 0 in opposition to any agreement that would, like the protocol, 
require significant reduction of greenhouse gas emissions in America 
and some other developed nations but that would involve no "specific 
scheduled commitments" for 129 "developing" countries, including the 
second-, fourth-, 10th-, 11th-, 13th- and 15th-largest economies 
(China, India, Brazil, South Korea, Mexico and Indonesia). Forty-two 
of the senators serving in 1997 are gone. Let's find out if the new 
senators disagree with the 1997 vote.


Do they also disagree with Bjorn Lomborg, author of "The Skeptical 
Environmentalist"? He says: Compliance with Kyoto would reduce global 
warming by an amount too small to measure. But the cost of compliance 
just to the United States would be higher than the cost of providing 
the entire world with clean drinking water and sanitation, which 
would prevent 2 million deaths (from diseases such as infant 
diarrhea) a year and prevent half a billion people from becoming 
seriously ill each year.


Nature designed us as carnivores, but what does nature know about 
nature? Meat has been designated a menace. Among the 51 exhortations 
in Time magazine's " 
Global 
Warming Survival Guide" (April 9), 
No. 
22 says a BMW is less responsible than a Big Mac for "climate 
change," that conveniently imprecise name for our peril. This is 
because the world meat industry produces 18 percent of the world's 
greenhouse gas emissions, more than transportation produces. Nitrous 
oxide in manure (warming effect: 296 times greater than that of 
carbon) and methane from animal flatulence (23 times greater) mean 
that "a 16-oz. T-bone is like a Hummer on a plate."


Ben & Jerry's ice cream might be even more sinister: A gallon of it 
requires electricity-guzzling refrigeration and four gallons of milk 
produced by cows that simultaneously produce eight gallons of manure 
and flatulence with eight gallons of methane. The cows do this while 
consuming lots of grain and hay, which are cultivated by using 
tractor fuel, chemical fertilizers, herbicides and insecticides, and 
transported by fuel-consuming trains and trucks.


Newsweek says most food travels at least 1,200 miles to get to 
Americans' plates, so buying local food will save fuel. Do not order 
halibut in Omaha.


Spe

Re: TEST, is [Vo]: tag working NOW?!!!

[Jed Rothwell]

Apparently not.

- Jed

Re: TEST, is [Vo]: tag working NOW?!!!

[leaking pen]

this is actually the first vo post ive gotten in months that DIDNT
have the tag.

On 4/13/07, William Beaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


My fault.   I think I got it this time.

(( ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) )))
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--
That which yields isn't always weak.

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Clueless

[Jed Rothwell]

Wesley Bruce wrote:


W thinks we already have PHEVs obviously:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/09/bush-almost-blows-himself-up/

Terry

Right, pull the other #$%^# leg. Another attempt by Ford to sabotage hybrids.


This was a joke, circulated by Ford Motor Co. President and CEO Alan 
Mulally. It was never intended to be taken seriously, but in the 
Internet age these things sometimes get out of hand. See:


http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070411/AUTO01/704110406/1013/BIZ04

"Mulally's Bush tale ignites blog mania

WASHINGTON -- In the age of YouTube, the Drudge Report and the 
blogosphere, even a story told for laughs can spin out of control. . . ."


- Jed

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Steorn Public Demonstration

[John Berry]

On 4/14/07, John Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ok, there is only one question I need answered from Steorn.

I know Free Energy exists in the form they claim



By that I mean energy seemingly created in a simple device including
permanent magnetic motors.
I think energy can be created but don't really care if energy is created or
taken from some unseen infinite storehouse of energy, at that point it's an
issue of faith in c of e or in abundance and creation.

In my opinion energy can be created by using the aether in specific ways to
unbalance energy equations, this is permissible because the aether is not
energy but the medium in which all energy rides and energy follows the
aether's 'rules' and by manipulating the aether you can change these rules -
aether is the 'board' on which the game of energy is played - I can also
explain how manipulating the aether in various ways leads to energy
generation..

To expand on that there is no other word for thesaurus in a thesaurus, and
phonetic is not spelt phonetically.
If there are gravitons the only thing that by necessity couldn't react to
them would be gravitons.


, I have not the slightest doubt.

However when it comes to their device I have never heard a straight answer
to 'Does it run closed loop'

I'd ask on the forum but I can't post yet.

So maybe you could Wesley, on my behalf, simply put can Steorn or failing
that one of the witnesses give a solid answer to:

Has the loop been closed? Has it been run with no input power beyond an
initial impulse to get it started and done useful work continuously? (or run
under any other fair closed loop (no input) type conditions)


If the answer to this is a yes no Jury is needed, and if the answer to
that is 'No' a Jury with positive findings might even fail to utterly
convince me.


On 4/13/07, Wesley Bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ok that's good its still useful information. I and others need that
> data. Nice to see that its not bad news. Several sites on the web are
> expecting bigger things. Maybe I should pass this to them. Thanks I know
> what to look for and when. I have time to do a few chores. Feb to August
> is still quite a long testing schedule.
>
> John Berry wrote:
>
> > rosco:I can see a misconception storm gathering.
> >
> > By tech specs i think Sean has made it pretty clear on many
> > occasions that he means power generation details and nothing more.
> > (i think)
> >
> >
> >
> > Yep, rosco is right - see the "Sean quote reference point" thread:
> >
> http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=40661&page=2#Item_7
> >  >
> >
> > On 4/13/07, *John Berry* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > HelixMultiverse: It's Friday 13th April 2007, 08.55 but I
> > can't see any update yet. Anyone know where the update will
> > appear on website (I've looked under 'News') or at what time?
> >
> > HM
> >
> >
> >
> > Steorn: We plan to put the update up after lunch (for the video,
> > text update at 6pm). I will also point out that there is no 'big'
> > news here at all, as I stated many times over the last few months.
>
> > Its a quick update on what has happen since last August, primarily
> > designed for those who do not spend hours everyday on this forum!
> > Regular forum members will see little that is new, its pretty much
>
> > all been said in here.
> >
> >
> > Suomipoika:I'm not sure I'm following. Are you going to release
> > the detailed technical specifications to the public as you
> > promised or not?
> >
> > Seconded. Is there going to be a text update with these specs
> > alongside the video update?
> >
> >
> >
> > Steorn: Yes, this will go up later in the day, around 6 PM GMT
> > (the video update will go up around lunchtime).
> >
> > Suomipoika:: Excellent! Thanks for the answer!
> > You said there's not gonna be anything new we forum members didn't
> > already knew. Why did you say so? Now you ARE going to release
> > detailed technical specs, and that's definitely new information
> > (and BIG news) for everybody. Did you change your mind after my
> > question?
> >
> >
> > On 4/13/07, *Wesley Bruce* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > John Berry wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/13/07, *Wesley Bruce* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > >  > >> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > PS Why are the Re:[Vo] subject line prefixes stacking
> up?
> > >
> > >
> > > Because it's a stupid [EMAIL PROTECTED] script and it should be 
nixed.
> > (or fixed)
> > >
> > Yep. Thats what I thought.
> > What's the old saying about watched pots they n

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Steorn Public Demonstration

[Esa Ruoho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3aaRrEIp-0
videoupdate is here
theres supposed to be text incoming at around 6pm gmt.

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Steorn Public Demonstration

[John Berry]

Ok, there is only one question I need answered from Steorn.

I know Free Energy exists in the form they claim, I have not the slightest
doubt.
However when it comes to their device I have never heard a straight answer
to 'Does it run closed loop'

I'd ask on the forum but I can't post yet.

So maybe you could Wesley, on my behalf, simply put can Steorn or failing
that one of the witnesses give a solid answer to:

Has the loop been closed? Has it been run with no input power beyond an
initial impulse to get it started and done useful work continuously? (or run
under any other fair closed loop (no input) type conditions)


If the answer to this is a yes no Jury is needed, and if the answer to that
is 'No' a Jury with positive findings might even fail to utterly convince
me.


On 4/13/07, Wesley Bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ok that's good its still useful information. I and others need that
data. Nice to see that its not bad news. Several sites on the web are
expecting bigger things. Maybe I should pass this to them. Thanks I know
what to look for and when. I have time to do a few chores. Feb to August
is still quite a long testing schedule.

John Berry wrote:

> rosco:I can see a misconception storm gathering.
>
> By tech specs i think Sean has made it pretty clear on many
> occasions that he means power generation details and nothing more.
> (i think)
>
>
>
> Yep, rosco is right - see the "Sean quote reference point" thread:
>
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=40661&page=2#Item_7
> <
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=40661&page=2#Item_7>
>
> On 4/13/07, *John Berry* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> HelixMultiverse: It's Friday 13th April 2007, 08.55 but I
> can't see any update yet. Anyone know where the update will
> appear on website (I've looked under 'News') or at what time?
>
> HM
>
>
>
> Steorn: We plan to put the update up after lunch (for the video,
> text update at 6pm). I will also point out that there is no 'big'
> news here at all, as I stated many times over the last few months.
> Its a quick update on what has happen since last August, primarily
> designed for those who do not spend hours everyday on this forum!
> Regular forum members will see little that is new, its pretty much
> all been said in here.
>
>
> Suomipoika:I'm not sure I'm following. Are you going to release
> the detailed technical specifications to the public as you
> promised or not?
>
> Seconded. Is there going to be a text update with these specs
> alongside the video update?
>
>
>
> Steorn: Yes, this will go up later in the day, around 6 PM GMT
> (the video update will go up around lunchtime).
>
> Suomipoika:: Excellent! Thanks for the answer!
> You said there's not gonna be anything new we forum members didn't
> already knew. Why did you say so? Now you ARE going to release
> detailed technical specs, and that's definitely new information
> (and BIG news) for everybody. Did you change your mind after my
> question?
>
>
> On 4/13/07, *Wesley Bruce* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> John Berry wrote:
>
> > On 4/13/07, *Wesley Bruce* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> >  >> wrote:
> >
> >
> > PS Why are the Re:[Vo] subject line prefixes stacking up?
> >
> >
> > Because it's a stupid [EMAIL PROTECTED] script and it should be 
nixed.
> (or fixed)
> >
> Yep. Thats what I thought.
> What's the old saying about watched pots they never boils. I'm
> watching
> the Steorn website for any action but its only 10 am in Dublin
> so I'm a
> little early.
> An "every things Ok" post would not take any time at all.
> Anything major
> should be later in the day. They will need time for a morning
> coffee,
> briefing and preparation, checking the server etc, then blame
> or fizz
> depending on the situation. A launch on Friday means the
> shouting match
> happens while the stock market is closed. That way they can't
> be accused
> of playing the market. That's just a guess but that's the
> accusation
> they face.
>
>
>

[Vo]:Steorn Public Demonstration

[Wesley Bruce]

Ok that's good its still useful information. I and others need that 
data. Nice to see that its not bad news. Several sites on the web are 
expecting bigger things. Maybe I should pass this to them. Thanks I know 
what to look for and when. I have time to do a few chores. Feb to August 
is still quite a long testing schedule.


John Berry wrote:


rosco:I can see a misconception storm gathering.

By tech specs i think Sean has made it pretty clear on many
occasions that he means power generation details and nothing more.
(i think)



Yep, rosco is right - see the "Sean quote reference point" thread:
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=40661&page=2#Item_7 



On 4/13/07, *John Berry* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


HelixMultiverse: It's Friday 13th April 2007, 08.55 but I
can't see any update yet. Anyone know where the update will
appear on website (I've looked under 'News') or at what time?

HM



Steorn: We plan to put the update up after lunch (for the video,
text update at 6pm). I will also point out that there is no 'big'
news here at all, as I stated many times over the last few months.
Its a quick update on what has happen since last August, primarily
designed for those who do not spend hours everyday on this forum!
Regular forum members will see little that is new, its pretty much
all been said in here.


Suomipoika:I'm not sure I'm following. Are you going to release
the detailed technical specifications to the public as you
promised or not?

Seconded. Is there going to be a text update with these specs
alongside the video update?



Steorn: Yes, this will go up later in the day, around 6 PM GMT
(the video update will go up around lunchtime).

Suomipoika:: Excellent! Thanks for the answer!
You said there's not gonna be anything new we forum members didn't
already knew. Why did you say so? Now you ARE going to release
detailed technical specs, and that's definitely new information
(and BIG news) for everybody. Did you change your mind after my
question?


On 4/13/07, *Wesley Bruce* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

John Berry wrote:

> On 4/13/07, *Wesley Bruce* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> >> wrote:
>
>
> PS Why are the Re:[Vo] subject line prefixes stacking up?
>
>
> Because it's a stupid [EMAIL PROTECTED] script and it should be nixed.
(or fixed)
>
Yep. Thats what I thought.
What's the old saying about watched pots they never boils. I'm
watching
the Steorn website for any action but its only 10 am in Dublin
so I'm a
little early.
An "every things Ok" post would not take any time at all.
Anything major
should be later in the day. They will need time for a morning
coffee,
briefing and preparation, checking the server etc, then blame
or fizz
depending on the situation. A launch on Friday means the
shouting match
happens while the stock market is closed. That way they can't
be accused
of playing the market. That's just a guess but that's the
accusation
they face.

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Steorn Public Demonstration

[John Berry]

rosco:I can see a misconception storm gathering.

By tech specs i think Sean has made it pretty clear on many occasions that
he means power generation details and nothing more. (i think)



Yep, rosco is right - see the "Sean quote reference point" thread:
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=40661&page=2#Item_7

On 4/13/07, John Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


HelixMultiverse: It's Friday 13th April 2007, 08.55 but I can't see any
update yet. Anyone know where the update will appear on website (I've looked
under 'News') or at what time?

HM



Steorn: We plan to put the update up after lunch (for the video, text
update at 6pm). I will also point out that there is no 'big' news here at
all, as I stated many times over the last few months. Its a quick update on
what has happen since last August, primarily designed for those who do not
spend hours everyday on this forum! Regular forum members will see little
that is new, its pretty much all been said in here.


Suomipoika:I'm not sure I'm following. Are you going to release the
detailed technical specifications to the public as you promised or not?

Seconded. Is there going to be a text update with these specs alongside
the video update?



Steorn: Yes, this will go up later in the day, around 6 PM GMT (the video
update will go up around lunchtime).

Suomipoika:: Excellent! Thanks for the answer!
You said there's not gonna be anything new we forum members didn't already
knew. Why did you say so? Now you ARE going to release detailed technical
specs, and that's definitely new information (and BIG news) for everybody.
Did you change your mind after my question?


On 4/13/07, Wesley Bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> John Berry wrote:
>
> > On 4/13/07, *Wesley Bruce* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > PS Why are the Re:[Vo] subject line prefixes stacking up?
> >
> >
> > Because it's a stupid [EMAIL PROTECTED] script and it should be nixed. (or 
fixed)
> >
> Yep. Thats what I thought.
> What's the old saying about watched pots they never boils. I'm watching
> the Steorn website for any action but its only 10 am in Dublin so I'm a
> little early.
> An "every things Ok" post would not take any time at all. Anything major
> should be later in the day. They will need time for a morning coffee,
> briefing and preparation, checking the server etc, then blame or fizz
> depending on the situation. A launch on Friday means the shouting match
> happens while the stock market is closed. That way they can't be accused
> of playing the market. That's just a guess but that's the accusation
> they face.
>
>

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Steorn Public Demonstration

[John Berry]

HelixMultiverse: It's Friday 13th April 2007, 08.55 but I can't see any
update yet. Anyone know where the update will appear on website (I've looked
under 'News') or at what time?

HM



Steorn: We plan to put the update up after lunch (for the video, text update
at 6pm). I will also point out that there is no 'big' news here at all, as I
stated many times over the last few months. Its a quick update on what has
happen since last August, primarily designed for those who do not spend
hours everyday on this forum! Regular forum members will see little that is
new, its pretty much all been said in here.


Suomipoika:I'm not sure I'm following. Are you going to release the detailed
technical specifications to the public as you promised or not?

Seconded. Is there going to be a text update with these specs alongside the
video update?



Steorn: Yes, this will go up later in the day, around 6 PM GMT (the video
update will go up around lunchtime).

Suomipoika:: Excellent! Thanks for the answer!
You said there's not gonna be anything new we forum members didn't already
knew. Why did you say so? Now you ARE going to release detailed technical
specs, and that's definitely new information (and BIG news) for everybody.
Did you change your mind after my question?


On 4/13/07, Wesley Bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


John Berry wrote:

> On 4/13/07, *Wesley Bruce* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
>
> PS Why are the Re:[Vo] subject line prefixes stacking up?
>
>
> Because it's a stupid [EMAIL PROTECTED] script and it should be nixed. (or 
fixed)
>
Yep. Thats what I thought.
What's the old saying about watched pots they never boils. I'm watching
the Steorn website for any action but its only 10 am in Dublin so I'm a
little early.
An "every things Ok" post would not take any time at all. Anything major
should be later in the day. They will need time for a morning coffee,
briefing and preparation, checking the server etc, then blame or fizz
depending on the situation. A launch on Friday means the shouting match
happens while the stock market is closed. That way they can't be accused
of playing the market. That's just a guess but that's the accusation
they face.

[Vo]:Steorn Public Demonstration

[Wesley Bruce]

John Berry wrote:

On 4/13/07, *Wesley Bruce* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:



PS Why are the Re:[Vo] subject line prefixes stacking up?


Because it's a stupid [EMAIL PROTECTED] script and it should be nixed. (or 
fixed)


Yep. Thats what I thought.
What's the old saying about watched pots they never boils. I'm watching 
the Steorn website for any action but its only 10 am in Dublin so I'm a 
little early.
An "every things Ok" post would not take any time at all. Anything major 
should be later in the day. They will need time for a morning coffee, 
briefing and preparation, checking the server etc, then blame or fizz 
depending on the situation. A launch on Friday means the shouting match 
happens while the stock market is closed. That way they can't be accused 
of playing the market. That's just a guess but that's the accusation 
they face.

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]: Steorn Public Demonstration

[John Berry]

On 4/13/07, Wesley Bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



PS Why are the Re:[Vo] subject line prefixes stacking up?



Because it's a stupid [EMAIL PROTECTED] script and it should be nixed. (or 
fixed)

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]: Steorn Public Demonstration

[Wesley Bruce]

Esa Ruoho wrote:


erm.. wesley.. how do you know this?
where is the steorn forum post about this?
i thought it was just going to be an update on the jury process, not a 
"final report of all juries". if it is, then grand, but somehow i 
doubt you really mean what you said.


I've been quietly monetoring the posts on the forum. That was my reading 
of Seans post and a few comments by people that I have gurssed are 
staff. I may be wrong but the 1st quarter ends in Ireland on sunday and 
they're promissing an annoncement before them. Friday is the last 
working day before the end of the quarter.  It should not take that long 
to build and test the device.


besides, with the "3 month toy", what about the SPDC? what are they 
doing - according to you? somehow seems quite hard to believe that all 
the SPDC members (over 250) would have finished their steorn 
replication already.


True but that's not part of the main Jury process. It is an additional 
verification not tied to the first quarter date.


if you are skilled with building, why didnt you apply to the SPDC and 
sign the NDA and get onto the SPDC forum and follow the lessons?


I thought I had missed the cut some how for that process. I'm a 
geographer and sustainable development specialist not a mechanic, my 
brother was not available until last month. My application attempt 
bounced and I've got no NDA. It would have been nice. Steorn does have 
my Resume I believe. ;-)


PS Why are the Re:[Vo] subject line prefixes stacking up?



On 13/04/07, *Wesley Bruce * <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


>>> . . . moved to July:
>>>
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=50211&page=1

>>> and they don't know if it will be start/stop or cyclical?!?
>> Actually the launch or bust is today April 13 according to Sean
in a later post.
> Does that mean that I'm going to be able to purchase a machine?
No that means you'll see the Jury report and blue prints by
tonight or tomorrow. Those with the skill and magnets, that
includes my brother and I, will be able to build and test it. If
the Jury report is both positive and respectable then the
investment and development phase starts. Expect some interesting
video, PDF files and lots of emails going out to the thousands who
have signed up for the report. They have installed a lot of server
capacity to handle the load. Steorn has spent about 3 million to
date on this project. Its a sign that they at least believe
completely in the technology. If its a scam they are making a huge
loss. It will take about three months to make a toy for
demonstration and fun. Home built powerplants will be 6 to 12
months away. Factory production may take 18 months.  The scramble
for Neodymium will begin Monday as the news soaks in across the
web over the weekend.

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]: Steorn Public Demonstration

[Esa Ruoho]

erm.. wesley.. how do you know this?
where is the steorn forum post about this?
i thought it was just going to be an update on the jury process, not a
"final report of all juries". if it is, then grand, but somehow i doubt you
really mean what you said.
besides, with the "3 month toy", what about the SPDC? what are they doing -
according to you? somehow seems quite hard to believe that all the SPDC
members (over 250) would have finished their steorn replication already.
if you are skilled with building, why didnt you apply to the SPDC and sign
the NDA and get onto the SPDC forum and follow the lessons?

On 13/04/07, Wesley Bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>>> . . . moved to July:
>>> http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=50211&page=1
>>> and they don't know if it will be start/stop or cyclical?!?
>> Actually the launch or bust is today April 13 according to Sean in a
later post.
> Does that mean that I'm going to be able to purchase a machine?
No that means you'll see the Jury report and blue prints by tonight or
tomorrow. Those with the skill and magnets, that includes my brother and I,
will be able to build and test it. If the Jury report is both positive and
respectable then the investment and development phase starts. Expect some
interesting video, PDF files and lots of emails going out to the thousands
who have signed up for the report. They have installed a lot of server
capacity to handle the load. Steorn has spent about 3 million to date on
this project. Its a sign that they at least believe completely in the
technology. If its a scam they are making a huge loss. It will take about
three months to make a toy for demonstration and fun. Home built powerplants
will be 6 to 12 months away. Factory production may take 18 months.  The
scramble for Neodymium will begin Monday as the news soaks in across the web
over the weekend.

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]: Steorn Public Demonstration

[Wesley Bruce]

thomas malloy wrote:


Wesley Bruce wrote:


Terry Blanton wrote:


. . . moved to July:

http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=50211&page=1

and they don't know if it will be start/stop or cyclical?!?

Terry

Actually the launch or bust is today April 13 according to Sean in a 
later post.



Does that mean that I'm going to be able to purchase a machine?


No that means you'll see the Jury report and blue prints by tonight or 
tomorrow. Those with the skill and magnets, that includes my brother and 
I, will be able to build and test it. If the Jury report is both 
positive and respectable then the investment and development phase 
starts. Expect some interesting video, PDF files and lots of emails 
going out to the thousands who have signed up for the report. They have 
installed a lot of server capacity to handle the load. Steorn has spent 
about 3 million to date on this project. Its a sign that they at least 
believe completely in the technology. If its a scam they are making a 
huge loss. It will take about three months to make a toy for 
demonstration and fun. Home built powerplants will be 6 to 12 months 
away. Factory production may take 18 months.  The scramble for Neodymium 
will begin Monday as the news soaks in across the web over the weekend.




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