Re: [Vo]:OT- the 22nd Law of Unintended Consequences
Jones Beene wrote: Ever wonder why everything that the USA touches or attempts to do in a particular region, seemingly tends to backfire in the worst sort of way? Is it some kind of Crusader's curse? How about, it's prophetically ordained? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
[Vo]:Fwd: [KeelyNet_Interact] overcoming the 'lock' of self-running magnetics From: Jerry Decker
howard johnson connection - perhaps steorn connection? searl connection? and hamel mention. -- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16 Apr 2007 07:36:34 - Subject: [KeelyNet_Interact] Digest Number 134 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KeelyNet_Interact;_ylc=X3oDMTJlM2w1a2xhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE5NDU2NjY1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MjY3MgRzZWMDaGRyBHNsawNocGgEc3RpbWUDMTE3NjcwODk5NA-- overcoming the 'lock' of self-running magneticshttp://mail.google.com/mail/?view=pagename=gpver=sh3fib53pgpk#111f9525ef1daa0b_3From: Jerry Decker voltage continuous overcoming the 'lock' of self-running magnetics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KeelyNet_Interact/message/290;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYXNkcnRkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE5NDU2NjY1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MjY3MgRtc2dJZAMyOTAEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE3NjcwODk5NA-- Posted by: Jerry Decker [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] jwdatwork http://profiles.yahoo.com/jwdatwork Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:28 pm (PST) Hola Folks! I received a nice email and did my rant thing after these two articles, but might be useful for experimenter insights. If you've not seen the video yet, check out these two; 04/15/07 - Video - 5 seconds Self-Spinning Magnet Setup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0KHZ53g678 Beginnings of a possible perpetual motion effect. Uses a hard drive magnet, 6 bearings and a toy elliptical magnet bought in Mexico. Moving the bearings changes the magnetic path to form new poles. As shown in frames 4 and 5, this is the configuration which gave 5 seconds of spin for a brief twist to get it started. In the video you can see it spinning rapidly for about 5 seconds. It might be possible to extend this effect into a continuous motion. / Comments: It appears 8 bearings would comprise a complete circle around the hard drive magnet, the configuration uses 6 bearings with 5 bearings next to each other (from 45 to 225 degress) and one separated at roughly 315 degrees to assist the spin effect. 04/15/07 - Video - Self-running Magnetic Spindle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96mGrUOwTvY 23 yildir galisan gergek dvnergeg sadece bu videoda. I believe Donergec means free energy in Polish. Anyway, the video link has been posted on KeelyNet before and everytime I see it I am fascinated as it appears to be self-powered. To the left you can see what look like two packs of cigarettes as this guy smokes like a chimney. But the spindle spins for the duration of the video which runs for about 4:21 minutes and has contrast problems, too bright on the spindle and too dark elsewhere. I took two captures and cleaned them up as best I could. Also the magnetic spindal thing in polish looks a lot like a plastic toy that you can buy at science museums. Yes, and reported here several months ago...these spindles sell for about $10-$20 and you give it a little spin and it spins for a minute or two...but in the video, his APPEARS to spin the length of the video. One end is supported, the other floats free on a magnetic bearing...if this guy is for real, he might have arranged the magnets at a 45 degree angle like Howard Johnson and others who have claimed a self-running effect. The trick of course it the lock at about 340 degrees or so where it needs a kick to jump it back into the propulsive field. Because this spindle wobbles (bobbles) when spinning it might be self-resetting, what Bearden calls 'regauging'. It is also what Hamel calls the 'Butterly Effect' where magnets wobble enough to recock themselves into the propelling field. See; http://www.keelynet.com/ohsako/ohsako.htm on magnetic anomalies which include the TOMI and Ohsako devices. Troy Reed used something similar many years ago but with spring loaded clicker inkpens that recocked as the machine turned. In the old videos you can hear this thing clicking like crazy for each pen on the huge wheel. The elliptical magnet in the first video is novel because of the shape letting it recock...everyone know that weebles wobble but they won't fall down...well some people claim to have discovered a geometry which rights itself under any condition...I looked but couldn't find the reference...oh well, just buy a weeble and you got it. --
[Vo]:gravity modification
Last night's interviewee on C to C A M was David Sereda, http://www.fromheretoandromeda.com/ . He started the interview by talking about element 115, upsadaisyum. It would seem to me that if you could manage to acquire any quantity of that stuff, you'd better get some lead underwear too. Then he started in about there being 8 or 9 fundamental forces, that's the first I've heard about that. Then he started in on gravity modification. He said that if you take two high powered magnets, hold the like poles together, it falls slower than a comparable object. Then he started in on nuclear powered gravity canceling craft. By this time I'm thinking that I haven't encountered this much horse manure since I visited the horse barn at the state fair. Then I visited his website --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [Vo]:OT- the 22nd Law of Unintended Consequences
Unintended or honourable attempt. --[very OT]-- There are times in history when Generals and politicians must attempt the impossible just to prove its impossible. The Dieppe raid in WW2 comes to mind. People were demanding action and something had to be done even if it cost thousands of lives. It did but it proved the point and resulted in the long term Quadruple strategy of: 1. Hold England and Egypt while using the size of the British Empire to balance the Axis. 2. Wear the Germans down in battlefields of your choosing, North Africa and Russia. 3. Keep the Russians fighting. Stalin threatened to negotiate a separate treaty. Hence Dieppe. 4. Call in Americans. Which took too long. Iraq was the threat. A real danger. Saddam, his sons and his party were killing people in the worst possible way. * Saddam was seeking WMD. Iran was seen as a greater threat in the 1970's so America under Carter was selling. After the Halabja poison gas attack Reagan cut support. Europe and Russia continued to supply. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wmd_iraq * Yes some of Saddam’s people were ripping the WMD program off for their own wealth. Swimming pools and playstations were bought or built with diverted WMD money it seems. :-D * In the last days of the first gulf war orders to use the WMD [gas] or destroy it was given. Those orders were quickly acted upon. * The orders were then contradicted when the US forces ran out of gas south of Basra. Are you going to tell the Dictator you had just burned his precious poison gas? The officers responsible filled the barrels with other stuff and tried to hide their action. * Trucks moved tons of stuff to Syria in November just before the “alliance of the willing” attacked. Was that WMD? * The tapes of Saddam’s cabinet meetings indicates that HE thought that he had a lot of WMD somewhere. * Radio intercepts indicated that the Iraqi officers thought; 'I may not have gas but the general either side does.' Radio calls were heard “ For Gods sake use the gas.” followed by the reply “I thought you had the Gas, @$*%#$” Staff cars were seen racing away from the lines minutes later. * We used Moab’s to obliterate the last line of defence around Baghdad. A Bomb that size can destroy a lot of chemical weapons and there is a good chance that the remaining chem. rounds were being kept close given the problem in the first gulf war. Moab’s don’t leave records or witnesses. Given all that I’m surprised we found what we found which was some documentation on WMD and a few scattered cashes of chem. rounds. Because the WMD could not be proven the Iraqi dissidents Iraqi opposition group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_opposition_group and Ahmed Chalabi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Chalabi , the major intelligence sources, were rejected as the ideal people to take over and run an interim government. Their advice to disarm the Iraqi army and put it to work rebuilding while they worked out who could be trusted was ingnored. We ended up with a shai religious dominated assembly and unemployed troops signing up with al-Qaeda or the Mahdi army. It was Ahmed Chalabi who thought the Iraqis would welcome the Americans and for a few weeks he was correct but with the Iraqi opposition group side lined the USA did not know how to vet intelligence officers or how to screen volunteers; interpreters, police recruits, etc. Miss handling those Iraqis that volunteered to help the Americans has cost them dearly. Note Australia has had very few casualties and we handle the Iraqis working with us differently. I’m an Aussy if you did not know. ;-) Yes Chalabi is up on Fraud charges in Jordan but you can’t run a government in exile with open books, you must conceal all transactions and if you can steal from the enemy; Go for it. We did in WW2. British Intelligence stole millions of diamonds from Antwerp as it fell to the Germans. The French resistance and others did equivalent frauds in occupied Europe. There was a time when the victor wrote the history. Today we live in an age where the vanquished continue to wage a propaganda war after defeat. Was it all doomed to fail? Perhaps, some have argued that democracy and Islam are incompatible. Arguably an attempt had to be made. Pulling out now just as we are learning how to beat the enemy would be disastrous. Are we ready for 5 million refugees, all of those that trusted us and now face death at the hands of whoever rises to the top. Are we ready for a war with Turkey and Iran as Kurdistan becomes a nation state? Arbil, capital of the Kurdistan Regional Government is the only place in Iraq you can walk free without fear of bombs or kidnappings. A Sunni-stan would be a haven for Al-Qaeda, the Shia provinces would in effect become a militant Iranian puppet state. Christians would be
Re: [Vo]:OT- the 22nd Law of Unintended Consequences
Gosh !, Golly !, Gee !, Wesley, are you and Jones telling me the world ain't run on the level? Who would have thunk it? Richard
[Vo]:Larsen and Windom in the Chicago Tribune
This is rather strange. See: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0704140065apr16,0,1831279.story?coll=chi-business-hed Article begins: INSIDE TECHNOLOGY Nuclear reactions may produce phones' power By Jon Van Published April 16, 2007 For several years a Chicago entrepreneur has labored quietly building a company to create an alternative to batteries for powering cell phones and other small gadgets. The company, Lattice Energy LLC, deliberately kept a low profile because its core technology, first called cold fusion 18 years ago, has long been ridiculed by mainstream scientists. Lewis Larsen, Lattice's founder, didn't want his enterprise tainted by the empty promises of unlimited cheap energy surrounding cold fusion. . . .
Re: [Vo]:Larsen and Windom in the Chicago Tribune
I should explain this is strange partly because the same reporter wrote this story recently: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0703300070mar30,1,1977.story?ctrack=3cset=true Article begins: Loyal group chases cold-fusion dream Once touted as source of unlimited energy, cold fusion generates little interest today By Jon Van Tribune staff reporter Published March 30, 2007 Unlimited energy brewed in a bottle sparked a worldwide sensation nearly 18 years ago. Promises that cold fusion would power the planet, however, were shot down in little more than a month. On Thursday, researchers who continue to believe in cold fusion drew fewer than a dozen spectators to Chicago for the national meeting of the American Chemical Society. Still, the dream believers remain undeterred. . . .
[Vo]:Enabling the Letts-Craven effect?
Affordable semiconductor lasers have come a long way in recent years both in output and efficiency. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUcWqgbn7fA Soon -- this product will be banned or severely restricted, since any teenager can buy one with dad's MasterCard. Neighborhood cats beware! In may ways, these lasers are as dangerous than a loaded gun now; and in a few years ??? especially since the rate of increase per unit of cost seems to be exceeding Moore's law. Letts used a 30 milliwatt laser (.03 watts). This one is 1.7 watts, almost 60 times more powerful. Of course, there is no indication that the Letts-Creavens effect can be super-sized (the All-American solution for every problem g). However, wouldn't you love to be the first to try this? If the effect were somehow to be the same ratio at higher power -- i.e. a gain of thirty times the laser input power, then the cell should be outputting 50 watts. Whoa. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Larsen and Windom in the Chicago Tribune
Yes, isn't it? At 06:58 AM 4/16/2007, you wrote: I should explain this is strange partly because the same reporter wrote this story recently: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0703300070mar30,1,1977.story?ctrack=3cset=true
Re: [Vo]: Gravity is a Push
Naaa, the earth sucks. On 4/16/07, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I happen to think gravity is more like a rush rather than like a push or a pull. Harry
Re: [Vo]: Water vortex footage
anyone had any luck hunting down a di gital version of the pöpel report? (Pöpel, Franz Rapport Berich über die Voruntersuchnungen mit Wendelrohren mit verschniedener Wandform International Report, Institut für Gesundheitstechnik, Institute of Technology in Stuttgart, 1952. surely any university dealing with vortical flow mechanics (or self-organizing flow technology) could benefit from replicating and proving/disproving this phenomenon. On 23/03/07, Esa Ruoho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23/03/07, thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the footage was shot down the street at our U of M. I'm Just watching that NOVA program gave me a lot of ideas for building more water vortex generators. I was particularly impressed with the implosion of the tiny bubbles, which caused a water hammer effect. It amazes me that air bubbles can be both suddenly created and suddenly collapsed like that. I've considered going to that lab and talking to the professors. They clearly have the ability to generate powerful vortexes in water. Do you have some ideas for experiments that you'd like to try? it would be amazing to find out what kind of results you get when applying a sonic frequency to the water during the process of creating a vortex. ...if there is a way of measuring what happens to the sonic frequency the water is conducting, when the water is forced into a vortex. also if they could find a way of going through the Prof. Pöpel Report and replicating those experiments using their technology to verify whether a vortical movement of water results in negative friction. (Pöpel, Franz Rapport Berich über die Voruntersuchnungen mit Wendelrohren mit verschniedener Wandform International Report, Institut für Gesundheitstechnik, Institute of Technology in Stuttgart, 1952.
Re: [Vo]: Water vortex footage
yes, this is the basic principles of sympathetic vibratory physics lecture of dale pond - where he expounds on john keely, cavitation, waterhammer effect, implosion, and the resonance/SVP principles of what exactly happened with acoustic cavitation + resonance based disassociation with john keelys machines. this can be brought into viktor schauberger and vortex technology easily also. enjoy! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9125003792513982191 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5430570751600484561 On 24/03/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/24/07, Esa Ruoho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: linking gmail isnt quite gonna do it. try again! :) Okay, how's this :-) http://snipurl.com/mf6j http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9125003792513982191q=dale+pondhl=en
Re: [Vo]:Larsen and Windom in the Chicago Tribune
Can you please post or summarise this story because viewing it requires a subscription. Harry Jed Rothwell wrote: I should explain this is strange partly because the same reporter wrote this story recently: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0703300070mar30,1,1977.story?ctrack =3cset=true
Re: [Vo]: Water vortex footage
On Apr 16, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: anyone had any luck hunting down a di gital version of the pöpel report? (Pöpel, Franz Rapport Berich über die Voruntersuchnungen mit Wendelrohren mit verschniedener Wandform International Report, Institut für Gesundheitstechnik, Institute of Technology in Stuttgart, 1952. I spent a while, and pestered many a librarian - some of whom for which English was not their first language. Two people searching the university of Stuttgart could not find it, and offered that it may have been lost. I've wondered if Callum Coats has an original, though I seem to remember discussing the matter with Curt Halberg and he offering that a copy wasn't in Coat's possession. I never received word from Jorg Schauberger. I would try him if I were to again be looking. Sadly, it didn't seem too unreasonable that a library would loose a copy of an old technical report, unpublished by formal journals. Still, it would be a notable loss in this case. Someone today will have to reproduce the work! Zak
Re: [Vo]:Larsen and Windom in the Chicago Tribune
Steven Krivit wrote: At 03:22 PM 4/16/2007, you wrote: Can you please post or summarise this story because viewing it requires a subscription. Harry http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0704140065apr16,0,1831279.story?col l=chi-business-hed INSIDE TECHNOLOGY Nuclear reactions may produce phones' power By Jon Van Published April 16, 2007 Thanks, but I meant the story from March 30. Or was it posted previously? Harry
Re: [Vo]: Water vortex footage
have you tried getting in touch with klaus rauber of http://www.implosion-ev.de/ ? also, have you tried calling the PKS? it is open on wednesdays i believe 10am to 2pm (hmm, gmt+1? not sure) the info might be at http://www.viktorschauberger.at/ regarding klaus rauber - i have a german documentary where he shows new pictures that look almost similar to the pöpel report pictures in callum coats energy evolution book (which has the pöpel report as an addition right at the end). but it would be great to hook up the original tests, just to .. well, have them. if i get to IWONE3 in höör,malmö,sweden, i could try and ask klaus rauber and curt hallberg - however thats in august, and im still not 100% if i can afford to go to it. On 17/04/07, Zachary Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 16, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: anyone had any luck hunting down a di gital version of the pöpel report? (Pöpel, Franz Rapport Berich über die Voruntersuchnungen mit Wendelrohren mit verschniedener Wandform International Report, Institut für Gesundheitstechnik, Institute of Technology in Stuttgart, 1952. I spent a while, and pestered many a librarian - some of whom for which English was not their first language. Two people searching the university of Stuttgart could not find it, and offered that it may have been lost. I've wondered if Callum Coats has an original, though I seem to remember discussing the matter with Curt Halberg and he offering that a copy wasn't in Coat's possession. I never received word from Jorg Schauberger. I would try him if I were to again be looking. Sadly, it didn't seem too unreasonable that a library would loose a copy of an old technical report, unpublished by formal journals. Still, it would be a notable loss in this case. Someone today will have to reproduce the work! Zak
Re: [Vo]: Gravity is a Push
What gives? Harry Terry Blanton wrote: Naaa, the earth sucks. On 4/16/07, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I happen to think gravity is more like a rush rather than like a push or a pull. Harry
[Vo]:Larsen and Windom in the Chicago Tribune
Thanks, but I meant the story from March 30. Or was it posted previously? Harry Loyal group chases cold-fusion dream Once touted as source of unlimited energy, cold fusion generates little interest today By Jon Van Tribune staff reporter Published March 30, 2007 Unlimited energy brewed in a bottle sparked a worldwide sensation nearly 18 years ago. Promises that cold fusion would power the planet, however, were shot down in little more than a month. On Thursday, researchers who continue to believe in cold fusion drew fewer than a dozen spectators to Chicago for the national meeting of the American Chemical Society. Still, the dream believers remain undeterred. I don't know that my efforts have been dismissed, said George Miley, director of the fusion studies lab at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. They've just been ignored. Miley, who does research mostly in mainstream high-temperature fusion, spends his free time doing cold-fusion experiments, and his results have convinced him that limitless power is possible, although he said it will take much more research to obtain. The first step will require regaining attention from a scientific community and a general populace that dismissed the cold-fusion notion almost as soon as they heard about it. But overcoming its past may be too big a hurdle for cold fusion. These are mostly the same guys who jumped on board 18 years ago, said Robert Park, a physics professor at the University of Maryland who wrote Voodoo Science, a book about pseudoscience. To my knowledge, they haven't convinced a single soul outside their own community. These guys aren't bad guys. They're just wrong, as far as I can tell. Cold fusion started 18 years ago when Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann, researchers working at the University of Utah, held a press conference to announce that a new power source was just around the corner to save the Earth from pollution and high energy bills. The Wall Street Journal's front-page story gave the claims credibility, and within a week cold fusion landed on the covers of Time, Newsweek and BusinessWeek. A standing ovation greeted Pons and Fleischmann when they attended the 1989 American Chemical Society meeting. But most scientists who tried to replicate the Pons/Fleischmann findings found they couldn't, and the pair soon admitted some mistakes. They continued to insist that their experiments with deuterium, a form of hydrogen found in seawater, and palladium produced more energy than the electricity fed into the apparatus to make it work. This indicated that some deuterium atoms were fusing with each other at room temperature, releasing tremendous energy, they said. Widespread criticism caused them to retreat from promises of vast commercially available power. Along with cold fusion, they faded from public view. But for a hard core of scientists around the world, as well as any number of patent lawyers and hopeful investors, cold fusion remained intriguing. As he surveyed the mostly empty chairs in a meeting room Thursday at McCormick Place, Melvin Miles, a colleague of Fleischmann's, lamented that not many people are here today because most people thought this was proven wrong years ago. Because Fleischmann, who lives in the United Kingdom, is 80 years old and averse to travel, Miles presented Fleischmann's latest results that still attempt to refute criticisms leveled at work done 18 years ago. Other presenters have moved beyond the original Pons/Fleischmann experiments. Miley provided results from Urbana, where he used detectors to document that charged particles are emitted from cold-fusion experiments, a sign of nuclear activity. Others presented similar evidence. Miley said his results have been accepted for publication in a mainstream science publication, the Journal of Fusion Energy; he hopes critics will come forward to dispute his results. No one argues about it, he said. They think it's too absurd. I've been convinced for some while that cold fusion is real. I want to find how to do something useful with it. Difficulties facing cold-fusion advocates illustrate just how messy and human the scientific process can be, said Bernard Beck, a Northwestern University emeritus sociologist. Science is very tricky compared to all other ways to figure out the world, said Beck. It prides itself on being open to being corrected. It's not reactionary or obsessive. That's a wonderful promise, but because science is such a huge institution, it cannot get anywhere unless people are in some agreement. That tends to make things conservative by its nature. So, like anyone else, scientists mostly reject radical new ideas, but don't close the door completely. Hence, the cold-fusion folks got a daylong symposium at the chemical society meeting. In other traditions, said Beck, the people in charge might say go get these guys and burn 'em at the
Re: [Vo]:Larsen and Windom in the Chicago Tribune
Steven Krivit wrote: Thanks, but I meant the story from March 30. These are mostly the same guys who jumped on board 18 years ago, said Robert Park, a physics professor at the University of Maryland who wrote These guys aren't bad guys. They're just wrong, as far as I can tell. Leave it to Parksie! A venture capitalist is bringing a LENR powered cell to market, and he's still lying and dening. I'm glad that Robert doesn't regard me as bad because I think that he's evil. Or is he stupid? na, he's too smart to be that stupid. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
