[Vo]:Chavez to the rescue
Jones wrote on 2-10-08: ... We, on vortex, especially moi, are often highly suspicious of the motive's of the Oil Companies. I have even seen the derogatory term: PetroMafia being used. ;-) How callous! LOL ... Hi All, On this light-hearted note, it appears that Hugo Chavez is lowering the risk of a U. S, attack on the Iranian oil fields with his modest effort to maintain the price of oil. Jack Smith --- http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7310511 NEWS ARTICLE from The Guardian, UK, 2-14-08, By Matthew Robinson ``Oil surges on supply worries, economic data NEW YORK, Feb 14 (Reuters) - Oil rose more than $1 on Thursday, spurred by supply concerns and strong economic data from giant consumers the United States and Japan. The rise added to gains earlier in the week as an escalating legal battle between Exxon Mobil Corp and OPEC nation Venezuela over the nationalization of a giant heavy oil project last year. U.S. crude rose $1.26 to $94.53 a barrel by 1:38 p.m. EST, after rising as high as $95.44 -- the highest level since Jan. 10 [2008]. Brent crude gained $1.50 to $94.82 a barrel. Venezuela, a top exporter of crude to the United States, cut off crude shipments to Exxon after the U.S. oil major won court orders to freeze over $12 billion in Venezuelan assets. The Exxon embargo came after Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, a critic of U.S. President George W. Bush, threatened to cut off all shipments to Venezuela's main customer over the legal challenge, adding to a string of supply worries in the Atlantic Basin. A number of supply-driven factors have reminded the market of how thin spare capacity of production really is -- Nigeria, North Sea glitches and geopolitical tension, said Harry Tchilinguirian of BNP Paribas. Exports from oil cartel OPEC were expected to begin sliding seasonally as well, with consultancy Oil Movements forecasting a 140,000 barrels per day (bpd) drop in the four weeks to March 1. Lloyd's Marine Intelligence Unit reported OPEC seaborne exports down 279,00 bpd in January versus December. Further support for oil pirces came from U.S. economic data showing fewer jobless benefits claims and a surprise rise in retail sales. Japan's economy expanded by 0.9 percent in the fourth quarter, more than double forecasts. Concerns that U.S. economic problems would cut oil demand growth in the world's top consumer knocked oil off record highs over $100 a barrel struck in early January. U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told a Senate committee the U.S. economic outlook had worsened and that the central bank would act as needed to support growth.''
RE: [Vo]:Re: Compressed air car
Many thanks, Michel. I was traveling and missed the discussion. The introduction route that the article reports made me wonder whether this might be 'too good to be true.' How do I find my way to the archives? Generally, to members of the list: On a much larger question, and not referring to the compressed air car, I wonder if the energy-engine field lends itself more readily to exaggerated (or even crack-pot) claims more than other fields? Is there something about it -- the universal and eternal desire for a machine that will do anything we want to for nothing, the current worry over energy sources, the sometimes counter-intuitive (to the lay-person) mechanics of energy conversion, the relatively cheap entry cost for newcomers to the field, the levels of interest and publicity that attend the announcement of such claims, etc. -- that makes it vulnerable to successive claims and disappointments? Is there any particular cognitive or sociological key to the false or exaggerated claims in the energy-engine field? Your thoughts? Lawrence -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:15 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: Compressed air car Lawrence, We discussed Guy Negre's CAT cars about a month ago, cf the archive look for compressed air in the subject lines. IIRC we came to the conclusion that out of the ~12kWh mechanical energy the 300 bar 300L compressed air tanks can give you, about 9kWh must come from the environment (expanding air gets cold, and heat energy is taken from the environment to bring it back to ambient temperature and thus to its full original volume). In effect it' sa heat pump mechanism. Also Robin judiciously noted that when you compress the air at home, if you're clever enough to capture the equal valued (9kWh) compression heat e.g. for domestic hot water, the 12kWh you will get only cost you 3kWh! The article you quote tells clearly how the auxiliary fuel is used for longer trips: it heats the air even further to make it occupy even more volume... I must admit that I am a bit surprised that this trick can be so efficient that it yields 120 miles per gallon of fuel, if this is for real the guy must have put his finger on the most efficient way to turn combustion energy into mechanical energy! Michel - Original Message - From: Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [Vo]:Compressed air car Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7241909.stm An engineer has promised that within a year he will start selling a car that runs on compressed air, producing no emissions at all in town. The OneCAT will be a five-seater with a glass fibre body, weighing just 350kg and could cost just over £2,500. It will be driven by compressed air stored in carbon-fibre tanks built into the chassis. The tanks can be filled with air from a compressor in just three minutes - much quicker than a battery car. Alternatively, it can be plugged into the mains for four hours and an on-board compressor will do the job. For long journeys the compressed air driving the pistons can be boosted by a fuel burner which heats the air so it expands and increases the pressure on the pistons. The burner will use all kinds of liquid fuel. The designers say on long journeys the car will do the equivalent of 120mpg. In town, running on air, it will be cheaper than that. SNIP
Re: [Vo]:Notes regarding NAE construction and maintenance
On Feb 14, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Jones Beene wrote: --- Horace AFAIK - *everyone* including FF, agrees that high loading is critical. No argument there. You can't get high loading if you have surface cracks. QED The methods I have suggested relate to surface annealing and hardening. No surface integrity, no high fugacity. I am not arguing that the Italian theory is correct, far from it, and I agree with Ed that without proof, it is just a hollow theory --- but I can see his main point, even if it is only thoretical... and you seem to overlooking that entirely. And that point involves increased self-targeting of a fully loaded matrix BUT it is the WHEN the micro(nano)cracking occurs, and it is in the proper dimensions, which is important (for him). If heat is produced only when micro-cracking occurs then it the process is far from continuous and thus impractical. However, the question that remains is: where is there any supporting evidence for this theory? In fact, if done properly ahead of time, he apparently expects increased, not decreased loading, due to an increased dimension of access and much larger effective surface area. There is a certain amount of (paper) logic there. It is illogical unless there is a surface envelope with sufficient integrity to create and maintain the required fugacity. However, then the logic is moot. The increased self-targeting apparently for him is kind of like a rifle (using Michel's 'sphincter' effect) where if the target is placed too close, like against the end of the barrel, then it will get less energy from an emerging projectile, than if it is a few feet removed. This again agrees with my point that a combination of sufficient loading and deuterium flux (tunneling rate) is required. Again, we all agree that the FF micro-cracking theory is meaningless unless/untill demonstrated (but he did manage to get it published in Fusion Technology). Ed Storms himself in his introduction to the LENR site and in several other publications has stated: Application of deuterium gas to finely divided palladium ... has been found to generate anomalous energy along with helium-4. I would point out that neither Arata and Zhang nor Case have produced a practical device. Neither understood the principal requirements for producing reproducible practical fusion. OK - ask yourself this - isn't finely divided Pd (i.e. palladium black) the very antithesis of what you are advocating ?? No. You seem to be ignoring the requirement for the high pressure envelope. Enclosing material in a high pressure D2 environment fulfills part of the requirement for SOME reaction. Another factor is tunneling rate. Neither Arata and Zhang nor Case directly attempted to optimize tunneling rate. Such tunneling goes on even in a static environment - just not enough to be highly effective, nor in a controlled enough manner to provide reproducible results. If I recall, the Case experiment, due to the non-symmetric application of heat, produced internal hydrogen flows - which were in fact suspect of accounting for the excess heat measurements by adversely affecting the calorimetry. I even recall some discussion of the possibility of precipitation inside the cell. I also recall Arata and Zhang trying shocking the material, varying temperature and pressure, etc. I don't have their papers, so I'm relying on memory and am a bit in the dark on all that. Here's the abstract from their ICCF 10 paper, which gives some info on where they were headed: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - As widely known, the fuel in the thermonuclear fusion is “gaseous deuterium”. In this article, however, we demonstrate, a new concept of “solid deuterium nuclear fusion”, where “solid-state deuterium” (or “metallic deuterium”) locally solidified with ultrahigh density deuterium-lumps (“pycnodeuterium-lumps”) within metals are used as the fuel. This reaction was caused easily within the highly deuterated special crystal lattice using a stimulation energy such as powerful high energy density beams which have been practically used in industry (for instance, in welding process and/or other material processing). A lot of 4He (~105 ppm) was produced with an extremely high rate of 17% 4He against deuterium concentration using a powerful welding process for only 10[sec] operation. On the contrary, in usual bulk metals (even bulk Pd), the nuclear fusion was never observed, because it was impossible to form “pycnodeuteirum- lumps” due to the bulk Pd property which could not contain beyond 100% deuterium concentration (practically about 80% as well known). It is concluded that “solid deuterium” is by far the excellent fuel against the “gaseous deuterium” in the thermonuclear fusion and characteristics of “solid deuterium nuclear fusion reactor” is described based on the above events, although it is
Re: [Vo]:Re: Compressed air car
On 15/2/2008 7:51 AM, Lawrence de Bivort wrote: Many thanks, Michel. I was traveling and missed the discussion. The introduction route that the article reports made me wonder whether this might be 'too good to be true.' How do I find my way to the archives? Generally, to members of the list: On a much larger question, and not referring to the compressed air car, I wonder if the energy-engine field lends itself more readily to exaggerated (or even crack-pot) claims more than other fields? Is there something about it -- the universal and eternal desire for a machine that will do anything we want to for nothing, the current worry over energy sources, the sometimes counter-intuitive (to the lay-person) mechanics of energy conversion, the relatively cheap entry cost for newcomers to the field, the levels of interest and publicity that attend the announcement of such claims, etc. -- that makes it vulnerable to successive claims and disappointments? Is there any particular cognitive or sociological key to the false or exaggerated claims in the energy-engine field? Your thoughts? Lawrence Even a free energy machine will need maintenance, so the notion that free energy enthusiasts are out to build a machine that will do anything we want for nothing is simply rhetorical bullsh*t. Harry
[Vo]:Jim Patterson dies
Jim Patterson, inventor of the Patterson light water cold fusion cell, died recently. He must have been very old. Christy at Infinite Energy says they will publish something about his life soon. - Jed
[Vo]:U. Utah will host cold fusion oral history project
See: http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/pressreleaseutah.html NEW ENERGY FOUNDATION COLD FUSION ORAL HISTORY COLLECTION TO BE HOUSED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH PRESS RELEASEFEBRUARY 15, 2008 The New Energy Foundation is pleased to announce that the University of Utahs J. Willard Marriott Library Special Collections will be the official repository of the New Energy Foundation Cold Fusion Oral History Collection, when the project is completed. This arrangement brings to fruition the hopes that the New Energy Foundation and I had at the beginning of the project, to have the benefit of the University of Utahs expertise and capabilities, stated Project Director Marianne Macy.
RE: [Vo]:Re: Compressed air car
--- Lawrence de Bivort wrote: Is there any particular cognitive or sociological key to the false or exaggerated claims in the energy-engine field? Most definitely - but it is far from a new phenomenon. On the biochemical level, I suspect that it is an adjunct, or even a perversion, of the same neural pathways which inbue most humans with the generalized 'need' for the hero (or divinity). Need does not necessarily negate an underlying level of reality, however; unless you also believe that modern science is nearly infallible (which is nearly the opposite perversion, and equally indefensible IMHO). Aside from theology, there is plenty of evidence of this kind of thing in Ancient times (mystical technology)- secret machines to build the Pyramids, Vimana, magic carpets, the Hebrew Ark and sono-weaponized Rabbis to bring down enemy walls (Jericho), Bessler wheels, etc etc... One of my favorites is the 'perpetual' Botafumeiro a famous thurible at the Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela which was rumored to be in continuous unattended motion for many years, before it drew too much unwanted attention. In modern times, the fascination of this merger of technology and mysticism has been artfully captured in David Mamet's play The Water Engine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Water_Engine BTW the TV version of the play had a great cast and is worth viewing. And - just as life often imitates art - there is a whole misguided cult which has grown up around a more modern Charles Lang - his name: Stanley Meyer. Which brings up another facet of the phenomenon: Going hand-in-hand with the exaggerated claims of magic-tek are the even more exaggerated claims of suppression and high level conspiracy. Hey- the alternative-energy field is a treasure-trove for sociologists- in which small grains of truth are imbedded within massive tonnage of clinical-level pathology -BUT- and I cannot stress the contradiction enough - there are a few of us who realize all of this but still rationally suspect that there is a way. IOW that the fascination of this merger of technology and mysticism - does indeed rest on kernels of truth which modern physics has largely missed, sometimes intentionally. That is why the Z word (ZPE) conjures up all kinds of quasi-mysticism to the point that it is best avoided, even though it rests on stronger science that many well-funded pet projects of the mainstream. Jones --- Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks, Michel. I was traveling and missed the discussion. The introduction route that the article reports made me wonder whether this might be 'too good to be true.' How do I find my way to the archives? Generally, to members of the list: On a much larger question, and not referring to the compressed air car, I wonder if the energy-engine field lends itself more readily to exaggerated (or even crack-pot) claims more than other fields? Is there something about it -- the universal and eternal desire for a machine that will do anything we want to for nothing, the current worry over energy sources, the sometimes counter-intuitive (to the lay-person) mechanics of energy conversion, the relatively cheap entry cost for newcomers to the field, the levels of interest and publicity that attend the announcement of such claims, etc. -- that makes it vulnerable to successive claims and disappointments? Is there any particular cognitive or sociological key to the false or exaggerated claims in the energy-engine field? Your thoughts? Lawrence -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:15 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: Compressed air car Lawrence, We discussed Guy Negre's CAT cars about a month ago, cf the archive look for compressed air in the subject lines. IIRC we came to the conclusion that out of the ~12kWh mechanical energy the 300 bar 300L compressed air tanks can give you, about 9kWh must come from the environment (expanding air gets cold, and heat energy is taken from the environment to bring it back to ambient temperature and thus to its full original volume). In effect it' sa heat pump mechanism. Also Robin judiciously noted that when you compress the air at home, if you're clever enough to capture the equal valued (9kWh) compression heat e.g. for domestic hot water, the 12kWh you will get only cost you 3kWh! The article you quote tells clearly how the auxiliary fuel is used for longer trips: it heats the air even further to make it occupy even more volume... I must admit that I am a bit surprised that this trick can be so efficient that it yields 120 miles per gallon of fuel, if this is for real the guy must have put his finger on the most efficient way to turn combustion energy into mechanical energy! Michel - Original Message - From: Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
Re: [Vo]:U. Utah will host cold fusion oral history project
Jed sent:- NEW ENERGY FOUNDATION COLD FUSION ORAL HISTORY COLLECTION TO BE HOUSED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH I look forward to the time when the world eventually recognises the efforts of those who fought for truth against a sea of opposing nay sayers. I hope that when the definitive history of this time is written that, somehow, the world will learn how astonishingly strong, and resistant to argument, are the forces of the status quo and the self deceiving are and how loudly they sneer and try to humiliate and mock those who try to find out what's real from what's not. Perhaps the world may finally learn that it is not enough just to find a simple truth and expect the world to beat a path to one's door. Perhaps, at this point in history, it is even harder than it was before for the truth to out. Nick Palmer
Re: [Vo]:Re: Compressed air car
Howdy Jones, Speaking of magic carptets, etc.It would only be proper to include The greatest magician of all times.. Warren Buffett. Richard Jones wrote, Aside from theology, there is plenty of evidence of this kind of thing in Ancient times (mystical technology)- secret machines to build the Pyramids, Vimana, magic carpets, the Hebrew Ark and sono-weaponized Rabbis to bring down enemy walls (Jericho), Bessler wheels, etc etc... One of my favorites is the 'perpetual' Botafumeiro a famous thurible at the Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela which was rumored to be in continuous unattended motion for many years, before it drew too much unwanted attention.
Re: [Vo]:U. Utah will host cold fusion oral history project
Nick Palmer wrote: Perhaps the world may finally learn that it is not enough just to find a simple truth and expect the world to beat a path to one's door. It never was easy. History is chock full of examples. As Howard Aiken said, Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. Perhaps at this point in history, it is even harder than it was before for the truth to out. An interesting question. New media such as the Internet make it easier, but changes in the scientific culture that have made it much harder to fund or publish ground-breaking research. Several recent books describe this. I have the gory details from Hagelstein and others. They say the system is over-centralized, micromanaged, and corrupt to the core, especially the peer-review system. This allows established scientists to squash new ideas they disagree with, and to plagiarize ideas they like. I don't recall the title of one, but it describe how in the early 20th century, young scientists were routinely funded for whatever they wanted to do. It included quotes from many biographies and autobiographies, and after 1950 or so these books include statements about how hard it was to be funded and how much opposition there was. See: http://archivefreedom.org/ Regarding media, I think cold fusion scientists have not made enough efforts to get their message out, mainly because they are old, they do not use the Internet much, and they do not understand its power. Many of them think that only print journals are valid sources of information. They have waited 20 years to get into these journals. They wait in vain. Cold fusion will never be accepted by Nature. Nature has gone so far out on a limb, the two cannot coexist; the success of cold fusion will bring about the demise of Nature, Scientific American and many others (or at least, of their present editorial staff). Note that this is true for academic science, but it is not true for other areas such as programming, or even designing plug-in hybrid cars. In these areas, the Internet has been a boon, and new ideas circulate faster and easier than they used to, I think. - Jed
[Vo]:Kiplinger's 02/15/2008 newsletter comments on ENERGY
What Kiplinger had to say about ENERGY in their 02/15/2008 newsletter: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Development of a mammoth new offshore oil find in Brazil means that by 2015 or so, Brazil's production will top those of Kuwait, Nigeria, Venezuela and the United Arab Emirates. But the jump won't ease tight global supplies, only help offset declines elsewhere. Most of the oil will head to the U.S. The long trek via the Suez or Panama canals will make shipping it to Asian buyers too costly. Meanwhile, don't fret about threats of a Venezuelan oil embargo. President Hugo Chávez is using a tiff with ExxonMobil to whip up support for his government but knows diverting oil from the U.S. wouldn't work. Too few buyers are interested in his country's heavy sulfur-laden crude. Clean coal? Never mind. That's the message from the Energy Dept., which recently pulled the plug on its $1.8-billion FutureGen program, aimed at developing coal-fueled, emissions-free electricity plants. DOE says the technology to gasify coal and sequester the carbon dioxide is too iffy. Other efforts on storing CO2 underground are a decade away. Utilities will have to rely more on natural gas and nuclear power. That'll bump electricity rates up by about 50% within a decade. An ethanol flood is nearing. By next year, a slew of new plants will lift annual output to about 13 billion gallons. That's more than can be used as E85 in flexfuel vehicles on the road and as E10, the 10% ethanol-gasoline blend approved by EPA for conventional engines. Prices will plunge further, and profits will disappear for makers. Expect the feds to face pressure to speed up market development... building infrastructure and helping get ethanol into more of the country and/or letting blends with over 10% ethanol in them be used in all cars. -- Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
