Re: [Vo]:responce to the IPKat - weblog

2008-04-25 Thread Terry Blanton
Thomis,

It's 'Randell Mills'.  He does not get an 'A'.

Teri

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:38 PM, thomas malloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mike Carrell wrote:
>
>
> > A standard tactic of patent examiners is deny and cite objections and
> force the applicant to overcome the objections. Objections of this type have
> been seen before. The process of overcoming them is iterative, lengthy,
> expensive, and private. It is reasonable to believe that such interaction is
> ongoing and necessary to protect investors and prospective partners. Legal
> action may follow, which would make interesting theater.
> >
>
>  Dear Kat;
>
>  I post on Vortex-L, scientific anomalies. One of the Vortexians posted the
> URL of your comments on Randall Mills of Black Light Power. In one of the
> papers on the BLP website, Randall claims that he can produce energy from a
> BLP reactor, 1 KW / 2 cubic feet of reactor. He also claims to have produced
> various novel materials. His investors have clearly invested tens of
> millions of dollars in his research, and either he can do what he says he
> can do, or he can't. If he can do, then science is just going to have to
> adjust.
>
>  Your poking fun at Randall is a continuation of the attacks which have been
> made against researchers in a number of areas. What they have in common is
> questioning the established paradigms. In 1909 Scientific American published
> an article questioning the feasibility of heavier than air machine flight.
> Some of the dumbest people I've ever met have graduate degrees. In
> particular law degrees, two of them want to be the next president.
>
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Re: [Vo]:Re: HUP-spread-out electron "feels" (and thus Coulomb-screens?) like a point charge...

2008-04-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  Michel Jullian's message of Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:09:25 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
>No it wouldn't be, but even with my limited QM skills, I know that fortunately 
>you don't have to get that close for nuclear fusion. Nucleus is fm scale 
>(10^-15 m), but its De Broglie wavelength (roughly the distance at which 
>tunneling can start occurring) at even room temperature thermal energy is 
>quite sizeable, 0.78 Å IIRC, about 10 times larger, and even more at 
>higher energies of course.

Actually De Broglie wavelengths *decrease* with energy. (momentum is in the
denominator).

>
>So an impinging deuteron getting only as close as say 0.5 Å from the desorbing 
>deuteron would have good chances to tunnel to it and fuse I think, correct me 
>someone if I am wrong.

The chances are a lot less than "good". What you need is a means of keeping them
in close proximity for extended periods.
e.g. the fusion half-life of D2 (with a separation distance of about 0.7
Angstrom is > 1E80 years. However this decreases insanely with separation
distance. A decrease in distance by about a factor of 10-20 should be enough to
reduce it to the point where fusion would be a practical energy source.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

The shrub is a plant.



Re: [Vo]:How many volcanoes would it take...

2008-04-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:19:31 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
>
>> >(By the
>> >way, decreasing levels of free oxygen have not been examined, and
>> >recent evidence shows this, too, is a threat.)
>>[snip]
>>At 400 quad / year energy use, and assuming that all the energy is 
>>derived from
>>carbon combustion (e.g. anthracite), and further assuming that all 
>>the energy is . . .
>>
>>Also consider that people live quite well at considerable 
>>elevations, where the
>>Oxygen levels are considerably reduced.
>>
>>In short, I suspect we could go on like this for at least 1000 years, without
>>even noticing any effect on our breathing from Oxygen depletion.
>
>My, my, aren't you anthro-centric! 

Whether or not we like to admit it, survival is what motivates us. Of course I'm
anthropo-centric, I'm a human being.

>People are not the only species, 
>and breathing is not the only form of respiration. Many other 
>species, and many chemical process, including possibly atmospheric 
>processes, are affected by the slight decrease in oxygen content.

Name some.
 
>There are also problems such as the oxygen exchange with water, and 
>fish, and so on.

The fish are already dead. We have eaten them. (somewhat tongue in cheek).

BTW global warming may be more important in this regard than actual Oxygen
content in the air, since less Oxygen dissolves in warm water than in cold.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

The shrub is a plant.



Re: [Vo]:Oil price elasticity: Cutting through the fog

2008-04-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:27:59 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>The whole point of the exercise is that we seem to have reached the 
>world peak in oil production, and supply cannot be increased, due to 
>lack of resources.
[snip]
I think a better definition of the "oil peak" is that it is the peak that would
occur if left to economic forces. It doesn't necessarily mean that production
can't be increased in the short term at the cost of the long term. Since there
is still oil in the ground, it can be extracted more rapidly if we have the will
to do so, but then it will simply run out sooner.

What will happen fairly soon, is sharp reduction in new exploration wells, as
oil companies finally get it through their heads that the number of new
discoveries is so low that it isn't worth the cost of drilling hundreds of dry
wells just to find one producing well.

IOW rather than a divergent supply and demand curve, you will see a rising
production curve that matches demand, then suddenly goes over a cliff, and drops
to zero. By analogy, look at world fish stocks.

In fact I think that rising prices will probably bring this about. IOW supply
will continue to meet demand, until such time as the supply suddenly ceases
altogether. Of course long before then it will have become so expensive that
demand will have been reduced, partially due to millions of people having died
of hunger. 

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

The shrub is a plant.



Re: [Vo]:IPKat - weblog: The continuing incredible adventures of Dr. Randell Mills

2008-04-25 Thread OrionWorks
>From Mike Carrell:

> Mills is no fool, nor are his board of directors. He
> business strategy is very different from Jed's concept
> -- but there could be a global scramble of
> entrepreneurship when BLP becomes "real". Mills has to
> have his 'ducks in order' for what might be a firestorm.
> The new solid fuel reactor is a non-trivial anouncement.

>From Jed Rothwell:

> For too long, people in cold fusion and at BLP have
> been searching for an experiment that will "convince
> the skeptics," or they have been trying to write a
> "bulletproof"  paper that will be "published in
> Nature." These are the last steps you take, not the
> first steps. To put it another way, these steps are
> analogous to the World War I military strategy of
> attacking the enemy at his strongest point after
> giving him a week's notice that you are coming, and
> after ordering your soldiers not to wear helmets.
> It is self-defeating. The 2004 DoE review of cold
> fusion was a good example.

I would agree with Mike's perception in the sense that BLP's recent
"solid fuel reactor" announcement is indeed a non-trivial
announcement. The only way I can read the announcement, and in a way
that makes any sense to me, is that BLP has finally discovered a
commercially viable process that is exploitable in conventional terms
(No new science and/or technology needed!), even if that process still
has to be commercially developed and at great expense.

I think Mike has, in recent years and months, hinted though his
positioned un-official source(s) over at BLP that things continue to
progress in a positive direction. Unfortunately, I gather Mike is not
privy to anything more specific than that, which of course leaves such
banalities totally up to interpretation for the rest of us, and
probably for Mike as well. (Half full / half empty). The rest of us
fools are forced to continuously speculate through the tea leaves of
the latest BLP announcements which remain carefully couched in public
relation terms to accentuate the positive while simultaneously
glossing over what I could well imaging are daunting engineering tasks
that could be as serious as trying to get the Apollo 13 astronauts
back home safe and sound after their on-board fuel cell had the
audacity to spring a leak in route to Luna. "Cranbury, We have a
problem! We appear to be venting hydrinos into outer space!"

It's frustrating to be left in the peanut gallery year after year.

I would also agree with Jed's perspective in the sense that choosing
to go into the lion's den to make their demonstration case is not
likely to be as effective as focusing first on collecting as much
friendly support as possible.

For now, I feel I have no choice but to rely on Mr. Carrell's vast
experience in the world of R&D, combined with his judgment of
character regarding Mills & Co's strategy plan. Considering the
millions of dollars in investment capital BLP has been able to secure
over the years, I guess I would have to agree with the premise that
they aren't fools. This of course pisses off the skeptics to no end.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks



Re: [Vo]:IPKat - weblog: The continuing incredible adventures of Dr. Randell Mills

2008-04-25 Thread Mike Carrell


- Original Message - 
From: Jed Rothwell

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com ; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:IPKat - weblog: The continuing incredible adventures of 
Dr. Randell Mills



Mike Carrell wrote:


You need several in a bulletproof demo -- or one tested in a skeptic's lab.

NO! No, no, no! Big mistake.

You need some pretty good demos that are tested in a friendly supporter's 
lab.


MC: Jed has a good point, and may be the path BLP is taking. This seems a 
bit of a change from what I thought was Jed's standard position. Steven's 
question was about convincing the scientific community, which should be only 
an afterthought. BLP is extremely quiet about anything of real commercial 
significance. Mills is quite open about effects, and theory, and very silent 
about any commercial arrangements, as he should be.


Mike Carrell 



Re: [Vo]:How many volcanoes would it take...

2008-04-25 Thread Jed Rothwell

Robin van Spaandonk wrote:


>(By the
>way, decreasing levels of free oxygen have not been examined, and
>recent evidence shows this, too, is a threat.)
[snip]
At 400 quad / year energy use, and assuming that all the energy is 
derived from
carbon combustion (e.g. anthracite), and further assuming that all 
the energy is . . .


Also consider that people live quite well at considerable 
elevations, where the

Oxygen levels are considerably reduced.

In short, I suspect we could go on like this for at least 1000 years, without
even noticing any effect on our breathing from Oxygen depletion.


My, my, aren't you anthro-centric! People are not the only species, 
and breathing is not the only form of respiration. Many other 
species, and many chemical process, including possibly atmospheric 
processes, are affected by the slight decrease in oxygen content. 
There are also problems such as the oxygen exchange with water, and 
fish, and so on.


- Jed



Re: [Vo]:How many volcanoes would it take...

2008-04-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:22:59 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>If volcanoes added far more CO2 to 
>the mix then we do, than plants would have a negligible effect and 
>the atmosphere and there would be practically no free oxygen. (By the 
>way, decreasing levels of free oxygen have not been examined, and 
>recent evidence shows this, too, is a threat.)
[snip]
At 400 quad / year energy use, and assuming that all the energy is derived from
carbon combustion (e.g. anthracite), and further assuming that all the energy is
used in the form of heat (or that electricity production from heat is 100%
efficient), and that the biosphere wasn't recycling CO2 (IOW CO2 just
accumulated) it would take 34000 years to use all the Oxygen in the atmosphere.

Also consider that people live quite well at considerable elevations, where the
Oxygen levels are considerably reduced.

In short, I suspect we could go on like this for at least 1000 years, without
even noticing any effect on our breathing from Oxygen depletion.

In fact we are more likely to run out of fossil fuels before we run out of
Oxygen to burn them.
So, IMO Oxygen depletion is not a problem - certainly not on the scale of global
warming.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

The shrub is a plant.



[Vo]:Re: The continuing incredible adventures of Dr. Randell Mills

2008-04-25 Thread fznidarsic
I'm at Emerson Electric, in Pittsburgh, performing a factory acceptance test on 
a Distributed Control System.
This system will be used in a power plant in NC.? I will start the place up.

The Emerson Ovation computer control system is very good.? This facility has 
expanded by a factor of 2 since I was here two years ago.? They are capturing 
the market.? George Bush would like what happened.? The low paid low skill 
manufacturing jobs have been sent over seas.? The high paid design, branding, 
sales, and customer service jobs have remained here.? These jobs are all high 
skill.? The number of these high paid jobs has, once again, doubbled in the 
past 2 years.? I guesstimate 500 people.

The Ovation product was once a product of Westinghouse Inc.?Mr Jorden was 
the?head of Westinghouse.
?Mr. Jorden, who now sits on the board of directors at Black Light Power, sold 
this place.? I asked around and was not able to find out much.? Noone knew 
Jorden.? The only thing that I picked up was that Mr. Jorden did not like this 
place very much and sold it.

I wonder what is going on with him.


Frank Znidarsic


Re: [Vo]:How many volcanoes would it take...

2008-04-25 Thread Taylor J. Smith

OrionWorks wrote:

Assuming we could magically, starting tomorrow, stop
emitting all forms of CO2 as a result of our technology:

How many active volcanoes would it take to produce
an equivalent amount of CO2 that humanity currently
produces ...

thomas malloy wrote:

Compared to the volcanoes, all 6,000,000,000 of us are
the equivalent of a pimple on an elephant's rear end.

Hi All,

My impression, and I have no numbers to back it up, is
that volcanoes are only important when a mega-volcano like
Toba (70,000 ago) or Yellowstone (due any day now) blows.
The major daily carbon release by the Earth is in the form
of methane, an even more effective greenhouse gas than CO2.
I don't have any numbers on this either -- maybe C. Warren
Hunt estimated it someplace.  Even methane release probably
has wide swings because some of it may be trapped in
water-ice, or is subject to periodic warming of the tundra.

All this is beside the point, which is that we must
stop using rock oil NOW -- JUST SAY NO TO PETROLEUM!
This is a matter of the highest national security.
It should be as socially unacceptable to use rock oil as
it is to spit on the floor.

Jack Smith




Re: [Vo]:IPKat - weblog: The continuing incredible adventures of Dr. Randell Mills

2008-04-25 Thread Jed Rothwell

Mike Carrell wrote:


You need several in a bulletproof demo -- or one tested in a skeptic's lab.


NO! No, no, no! Big mistake.

You need some pretty good demos that are tested in a friendly supporter's lab.

Ignore the skeptics and their labs. After the last battle has been 
fought, victories declared, in every newspaper on earth proclaims 
that the effect is real, then and only then will the skeptics begin 
to look at it. (Not only will they look; they will take credit for 
it. They will say they knew all along it was real and without their 
help you couldn't have done it.)


Now, at this stage, you want experiments for knowledgeable people who 
are sympathetic to the claims and willing to suspend disbelief.


For too long, people in cold fusion and at BLP have been searching 
for an experiment that will "convince the skeptics," or they have 
been trying to write a "bulletproof"  paper that will be "published 
in Nature." These are the last steps you take, not the first steps. 
To put it another way, these steps are analogous to the World War I 
military strategy of attacking the enemy at his strongest point after 
giving him a week's notice that you are coming, and after ordering 
your soldiers not to wear helmets. It is self-defeating. The 2004 DoE 
review of cold fusion was a good example.


- Jed


Re: [Vo]:IPKat - weblog: The continuing incredible adventures of Dr. Randell Mills

2008-04-25 Thread Mike Carrell


- Original Message - 
From: "OrionWorks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:IPKat - weblog: The continuing incredible adventures of 
Dr. Randell Mills




From Mike Carrell:


IMHO the solid fuel reactor is the closest to commercial
viability of anything so far posted by BLP. BLP usually
can back up such posts by experimental work, as stated.
The fact that critical details are glossed over I interpret
as evidence of ongoing patent application negotiations. The
claimed evolution of H and catalyst from heating the solid
fuel could enable high energy density in the reactor. In
the animation, an end product of KH(1/4) is mentioned.
This implies a very energetic reaction which is claimed to
enable regeneration of the fuel, electrolysis of water, and
operation of a heat cycle engine to produce useful external
work.

The patent issue is something else. BLP seeks fundamental
patents whose claims will read on all possible applications
to garner royalties for the BLP investors and partners.


...


Seeking fundamental patents involves the existence of
hydrinos. The resonant transfer penomenon is a natural
phenomenon, which cannot be patented. Thus BLP is faced
with the whole of "accepted physics" in trying to get
patents. And without a strong patent base, investors
and partners may not risk the development cycle.

Mike Carrell


Ok, I'm still a little confused on some of these points.

Why is it important for BLP to prove to the scientific community that
hydrinos exist, particularly if BLP's investors can finance the
building of a prototype that proves the point that a commercially
viable regenerative process can be manufactured.


"Proof to the scientific community" means acceptance by major journals of 
experiments by world-class labs. Don't hold your breath. BLP has publised 
papers on experiments, and commentary on known experiments, supporting the 
physical existence of hydrinos, but the resident skeptics attribute these 
results to error, etc. Same scenario as for LENR, different chartacters. The 
real "proof of principle" is a working water engine -- and not just one in a 
lab photo-op. You need several in a bulletproof demo -- or one tested in a 
skeptic's lab. Even there the problem would be to make sure the demo is done 
right and not sabotaged by the skecptic. Doing this means that BLP has to 
solve a whole series of engineering problems which can be quite expensive.


There have been too many magical engines in the new energy field, witness 
Joseph Newman through the years, and others. A "water engine" is itself 
almost as refleively absurd as "cold fusion". However, a water engine in the 
lobby of the US Patent Office or a court room would have a certain 
persuasive power.


How does legitimizing

the existence of the hydrino theory help BLP's investors protect their
patents.


It means you *get* the patent. Correa got patents on his PAGD by inserting a 
paragraph saying in effect that although the source of energy at present is 
obscure, when understood it will be found to conform to known physics. What 
he did not say is the corollary that a deep understanding of the PAGD 
phenomenon might revolutionize physics. Mills has not chosen this course. 
Instead he has produce a GUT which addresses many of the salient phenomena 
of physics in an attempt to explain his discovery. This is the honorable 
path and the most exposed and difficult.


Regardless of whether hydrinos exist as Dr. Mills claims or

not, couldn't a savvy competitor either way, just as easily, and just
like what happened in RCA, devise a "...circuit which walked
around..." BLP's patents leaving BLP high and dry? How does
legitimizing hydrinos make that possibility any less of an issue for
BLP?


High and dry is where you don't want to be. That's why you want a 
fundamental patent. If hydrinos are produced in Nature, say the solar 
corona, or like buckyballs, then you can't patent their existence, only a 
means of utilization or production. A patent is basically a license to sue 
an infringer to cease selling the product/device/service or pay royalties. 
You can have a trade secret, like the flavoring of Coca-Cola, but can't save 
the world with it. Patents are granted in exchange for teaching a art. 
Patents expire. BLP's long term future depends on mastering know-how such 
that the partners can make better products than anyone else.


This is such a smarmy issue, particularly since I gather there are a
number of alternative theories, some discussed extensively within
vortex, that elude to the existence of the hydrino species but with
very different characteristics, certainly not beholding to Dr. Mills
CQM theory. It still seems more important from my perspective to
simply develop a POC prototype that proves that BLP's investors were
on the right track all along, rather than trying to legitimize
hydrinos in the eyes of the scientific community. The latter effort
seems to me to be a m

Re: [Vo]:How many volcanoes would it take...

2008-04-25 Thread Nick Palmer
Further to my previous comment - there seems to have been some black 
propaganda put about that the output of volcanoes dwarfs what humans 
produce - and we are invited by this "fact" to imagine that nature's effects 
are much larger than humans and therefore all the talk of manmade global 
warming must be politically inspired rubbish etc etc. The source of this big 
lie seems to be that when some volcanoes like Mount St Helens and 
particularly Mount Pinatubo (the largest recent eruption) erupt they put a 
huge amount of CO2 into the atmosphere. I was going to say "ah, but they are 
only erupting for a relatively short time compared to when they are not - a 
week or so as opposed to many years - so their average output is much less 
than their peak output and I would have been prepared to believe that the 
largest volcano in recent times could have "out CO2'd" humans for a couple 
of weeks BUT... I don't know how reliable this quote is but


"Gerlach and others estimate that, in addition to the measured 17 Mt of SO2, 
the eruption of approximately 5 km3 of magma was accompanied by release of 
at least 491 to 921 Mt of H2O, 3 to 16 Mt of Cl, and 42 to 234 Mt of CO2.">>


EIA Anthropogenic CO2 output = ~25,162 MTonnes/yr

So even Mt Pinatubo only put between 1/107th  to 1/600th of the CO2 out that 
humans did in that year. It does look as if the peak output during the 
climactic few hours of the final eruption did equal us for a few hours but 
there absolutely isn't any way volcanoes generally are of much significance 
at all compared to the mighty homo "sapiens"... 



[Vo]:Short article in French about Biberian

2008-04-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
From the Centre Européen pour la Recherche et le 
Développement de Nouvelles Technologies 
Energétiques Alternatives (CERNTEA), see:


http://cerntea.canalblog.com/archives/2008/03/15/7163644.html



Re: [Vo]:How many volcanoes would it take...

2008-04-25 Thread Jed Rothwell

thomas malloy wrote:

Compared to the volcanoes, all 6,000,000,000 of us are  the 
equivalent of a pimple on an elephant's rear end.


That is incorrect, as shown by the stats Nick Palmer found. It is 
also obviously wrong because in North America, we burn roughly twice 
as much fossil fuel as all of the plants on the continent convert 
back into carbon and free oxygen. If volcanoes added far more CO2 to 
the mix then we do, than plants would have a negligible effect and 
the atmosphere and there would be practically no free oxygen. (By the 
way, decreasing levels of free oxygen have not been examined, and 
recent evidence shows this, too, is a threat.)


This notion that people have an inherently smaller effect than 
natural phenomena is widespread, but it has no logical or factual 
basis. In North America we have stripped away most of the top soil, 
cut most of the trees down, destroyed the water table over large 
areas and paved over an area the size of Nebraska. It is 
inconceivable that such large scale terraforming would not have a 
major impact on the environment. At this rate we will destroy most of 
the continent in a few hundred years as effectively as people in 
ancient times destroyed Iraq (Mesopotamia).


- Jed



Re: [Vo]:How many volcanoes would it take...

2008-04-25 Thread thomas malloy

OrionWorks wrote:


Assuming we could magically, starting tomorrow, stop emitting all
forms of CO2 as a result of our technology:

How many active volcanoes would it take to produce an equivalent
amount of CO2 that humanity currently produces and/or is indirectly
 



Compared to the volcanoes, all 6,000,000,000 of us are  the equivalent 
of a pimple on an elephant's rear end.


BTW, did you see the Newman video? Joseph intimated that his technology 
could have made a difference in, I assume, the Sun's behavior. which is 
over the top, even for a man who believes that he is Jesus. I viewed the 
video to the point where he had the two solar images. and it stopped. I 
think I'll try again.



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Re: [Vo]:How many volcanoes would it take...

2008-04-25 Thread Nick Palmer
I don't know how many volcanoes it would take but the global total  CO2 
emissions of active volcanoes is about 1/150th of what humans are doing.


see this site
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/17/223957/72 



[Vo]:How many volcanoes would it take...

2008-04-25 Thread OrionWorks
Assuming we could magically, starting tomorrow, stop emitting all
forms of CO2 as a result of our technology:

How many active volcanoes would it take to produce an equivalent
amount of CO2 that humanity currently produces and/or is indirectly
responsible for producing, such as deforestation techniques through
burning.

I was wondering how prior active volcano counts lined up with previous
epochs, along with the prevailing weather patterns and temperatures of
that time.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks



Re: [Vo]:IPKat - weblog: The continuing incredible adventures of Dr. Randell Mills

2008-04-25 Thread OrionWorks
>From Mike Carrell:

> IMHO the solid fuel reactor is the closest to commercial
> viability of anything so far posted by BLP. BLP usually
> can back up such posts by experimental work, as stated.
> The fact that critical details are glossed over I interpret
> as evidence of ongoing patent application negotiations. The
> claimed evolution of H and catalyst from heating the solid
> fuel could enable high energy density in the reactor. In
> the animation, an end product of KH(1/4) is mentioned.
> This implies a very energetic reaction which is claimed to
> enable regeneration of the fuel, electrolysis of water, and
> operation of a heat cycle engine to produce useful external
> work.
>
> The patent issue is something else. BLP seeks fundamental
> patents whose claims will read on all possible applications
> to garner royalties for the BLP investors and partners.

...

> Seeking fundamental patents involves the existence of
> hydrinos. The resonant transfer penomenon is a natural
> phenomenon, which cannot be patented. Thus BLP is faced
> with the whole of "accepted physics" in trying to get
> patents. And without a strong patent base, investors
> and partners may not risk the development cycle.
>
> Mike Carrell

Ok, I'm still a little confused on some of these points.

Why is it important for BLP to prove to the scientific community that
hydrinos exist, particularly if BLP's investors can finance the
building of a prototype that proves the point that a commercially
viable regenerative process can be manufactured. How does legitimizing
the existence of the hydrino theory help BLP's investors protect their
patents. Regardless of whether hydrinos exist as Dr. Mills claims or
not, couldn't a savvy competitor either way, just as easily, and just
like what happened in RCA, devise a "...circuit which walked
around..." BLP's patents leaving BLP high and dry? How does
legitimizing hydrinos make that possibility any less of an issue for
BLP?

This is such a smarmy issue, particularly since I gather there are a
number of alternative theories, some discussed extensively within
vortex, that elude to the existence of the hydrino species but with
very different characteristics, certainly not beholding to Dr. Mills
CQM theory. It still seems more important from my perspective to
simply develop a POC prototype that proves that BLP's investors were
on the right track all along, rather than trying to legitimize
hydrinos in the eyes of the scientific community. The latter effort
seems to me to be a massive waste of finite financial resources, and
is in real danger of failing, particularly if BLP can never gat a
single POC financed and demonstrated to a skeptical community.

I assume I must be missing an important business strategy in my latest
machinations. I'm just worried that if they continue focusing on the
patent issue, BLP may never get their bird off the ground.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks



Re: [Vo]:IPKat - weblog: The continuing incredible adventures of Dr. Randell Mills

2008-04-25 Thread Mike Carrell


- Original Message - 
From: "John Fields" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Hi Mike,

Is the new "solid fuel" process commercially viable? The implication
over at the BLP web site has been that the new-and-improved process
has been proven experimentally to self-generate through well-known
chemical manufacturing processes. If this really is an authentic
breakthrough in how to sustain the critical regenerative process to
produce excess energy couldn't BLP & lawyers simply patent the process
that generates the excess heat and, well, sort of gloss over (at least
for now) the alleged theory behind it?


IMHO the solid fuel reactor is the closest to commercial viability of 
anything so far posted by BLP. BLP usually can back up such posts by 
experimental work, as stated. The fact that critical details are glossed 
over I interpret as evidence of ongoing patent application negotiations. The 
claimed evolution of H and catalyst from heating the solid fuel could enable 
high energy density in the reactor. In the animation, an end product of 
KH(1/4) is mentioned. This implies a very energetic reaction which is 
claimed to enable regeneration of the fuel, electrolysis of water, and 
operation of a heat cycle engine to produce useful external work.


The patent issue is something else. BLP seeks fundamental patents whose 
claims will read on all possible applications to garner royalties for the 
BLP investors and partners. Some time ago BLP submitted a massive 
application of hundreds of claims covering as many details of configurations 
as possible, without mentioning hydrinos or theory. Such would be a recipe 
patent as commonly found in the chemical industry. The problem is that some 
novel configuration could evade the claims. Such has happened, for example 
Armstrong did not get expectged revenue from his patents on FM reception 
because an engineer at RCA devised a very simple circuit which walked around 
Armstrong's claims.


Seeking fundamental patents involves the existence of hydrinos. The resonant 
transfer penomenon is a natural phenomenon, which cannot be patented. Thus 
BLP is faced with the whole of "accepted physics" in trying to get patents. 
And without a strong patent base, investors and partners may not risk the 
development cycle.


Mike Carrell



Re: [Vo]:Oil price elasticity: Cutting through the fog

2008-04-25 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence



thomas malloy wrote:

Taylor J. Smith wrote:


Hi Stephen,

Nice simulation; but human greed and stupidity, which are impossible 
to over-estimate, are not



Personal reflections:

I hope they're right. Not sure that I do.

 

Does your calculation factor in an increase in the supply of oil which 
will result from the increase in price?


The whole point of the exercise is that we seem to have reached the 
world peak in oil production, and supply cannot be increased, due to 
lack of resources. So the question I was trying to answer was, if demand 
continues to increase but supply is forced to remain static or drop, 
what will be the effect on price?  (Sure it'll go up, but how much?)


Peak oil has been predicted for a good many years, and reading the news, 
I'm hearing about old fields in Russia, Saudi Arabia, and the Americas 
passing their peaks and declining and no new fields seem set to come on 
stream.  It sure looks like it could be the peak of production.


Saudi Arabia has two large fields left but they're hard to use -- they 
have major pressure problems and will need water injection from day 1. 
They hope to start producing from the Khurais field in 2009, if I recall 
correctly, but it's going to take a research project to extract the oil, 
and whether or not it works as planned it's not going to help with 
prices this year. Aramco is supposedly the world expert in extracting 
all possible oil from a field, rumors of Arab oil field mismanagement 
notwithstanding, but it's a big enough challenge that even they may have 
trouble extracting the oil -- and their last remaining large field, 
whose name slips my mind, is apparently even tougher to work with than 
Khurais.


Brazil has made a large find recently but it's not really confirmed and 
could be smaller than it appears (admittedly fields usually turn out 
/larger/ than thought, tho), and it's under more than a mile of ocean 
water which won't make it any easier to bring on-stream quickly, so it's 
not going to be producing anything this year, either.  But let's put it 
in perspective:  If it's 40 billion barrels, as has been reported in the 
news, that's slightly more than a 1-year supply for the world.  The 
world uses about 84 million barrels per day, or about 30 billion barrels 
per year.  So, Brazil's find just extended the "oil era" by 16 months. 
And finds of that magnitude are reported far less frequently than one 
every 16 months!


Straws in the wind, that's all; but it's sure looking like stormy 
weather coming.