Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper
Harry Veeder wrote: 2009/5/7, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: I wrote: This is rather frustrating to me. Here we have a drop it down a well, because practically no one is going to pay that kind of money for information on cold fusion. Have they considered selling a CD version or making it available for e-readers? On that note, let me emote. Ed Storms sent me a list of papers on isotopic ratios. Specifically the 2%ers isotopes which occur in concentrations of less than 3% in nature. If you do an experiment, and then discover a metal which wasn't there before, and a large amount of it is a 2%er isotope, that should tell you something, unless your name is Parksie of course. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand. 2009/5/9 Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt.stea...@gmail.com: What if it's PK ( psykokinesis ) that'd be a paridigm shifter :-) .( and there's plenty of evidence that that exists, see http://www.williamjames.com/pkman.htm ). Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US http://HoytStearns.com -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:09 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: --- Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: ...or am I? cue lightning bolts, organ music Kitty fur static electricity? Terry
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
Yes indeed, such a scheme woodwork. Michel 2009/5/9 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com: I could easily design such a hoax: Batteries connected to a solenoid triggered by a Hall effect gate such that, between the gap of the rotor magnets a pulse is triggered providing enough bump to keep the rotor going. All hidden in the woods so to speak. Terry On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca wrote: He was being sarcastic when he called himself a prankster. He was reacting to the negative comments people made about his videos posted in March and April. Sure it may be faked. If batteries are hidden in the wood how do they connect to the motor? In one video (see link below) he lifts that stator assembly off the wood and we can see that it was simply resting on the wood. His most recent videos are here: http://www.youtube.com/user/magneticmotor1 Harry t- Original Message - From: Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009 5:03 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow The most probable explanation IMHO is that the guy is a prankster, besides doesn't he say so himself at the end of the 2nd video you linked to? Something like Look at me, I am the prankster, now you guys find how I did it. My bet is that there are batteries hidden within the stator assembly, maybe within the horizontal wooden supports, but there are so many ways the thing could be faked! Michel 2009/5/7 Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca: - Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow If the magnetic domain wall relaxation time is on the same order of size as the time between changes in magnetic field strength due to passag e of the moving magnets, then a sort of magnetic refrigeration effect might occur, so that effectively the strength of the horseshoe magnet varied dynamically in such a way as to result in an average difference between the strength of attraction and repulsion, with the energy being supplied by ambient heat. I was also thinking that cooling effect might be explainable by conventional physics. However, I still don't think conventional physics can explain the rotational acceleration of the disk. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Hey Kyle: power generating shocks
Even on a perfectly smooth road there must be a lot of energy wasted in conventional shock absorbers, whenever you accelerate, brake, go round a bend... If it's of the order of 1 kW or even 100W on average, then Jeff is right that it's certainly worth recovering! Has anyone checked whether Michelin's Active Wheel did recover this shock (or more generally suspension oscillation damping) energy? I know it features two in-wheel electric motors, one for traction, one for active suspension. The traction motor also works as a generator for regenerative braking, I wouldn't be surprised if the active suspension motor was capable of energy recovery too. Michel 2009/5/9 Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com: --- Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net wrote: About a year or two ago Kyle, you jumped all over my idea of harnessing the power wasted in automobile shock absorbers. Check out the June 09 Popular Science, page 48. Don't have it in front of me, but a little Googling turns up some things. 1kW of power is suggested over a 'standard stretch of road.' I don't know what that is, specifically, but: The bumpier the road, the more you get from the shock BACK, but the more you waste engine-wise. A suggestion was also made to have power-collecting speedbumps generate power to run streetlights. All sounds great, but...TANSTAAFL! You're simply consuming more power from the auto's engine, to be 'liberated' by the municipality for their lights. Not the mention, beating the car's suspension out from under it. Also, I can replace gas shocks in my car for about $18 per shock. My boss drives a Mercedes Benz S500. Each shock (there are four) is $1700. They fail regularly, also. I would be interested to know how much energy-harvesting shocks would cost the consumer. There are a lot of 'good ideas' out there, but implementation and the realities that follow are never what is originally expected or intended. Anyhow, whenever I come across the magazine itself, I will look and see what it says. As for right now, I'm gonna go build me-self a Mylow motor, and see what it does. 99%, it won't work. But hey...? --Kyle
[Vo]:All traces of Robert Duncan's cold fusion lecture removed removed from U. Missouri web page
Here is some disturbing news. This site at the University of Missouri had four items from Prof. Robert Duncan's cold fusion presentation: the title, abstract, video and PowerPoint slides: https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/handle/10355/1263 All four have now been removed. There is no indication that he talked about cold fusion. I would like to know why. The website says elsewhere that the speakers have copyright so contact them for permission to reproduce the material. So perhaps Duncan himself asked them to remove the video. But it is very usual for someone to ask that the title and abstract be removed. I would like to know: Is Duncan aware of this change? Was he was pressured to remove the material? Did he retract? Duncan has not responded to my e-mails. Anyone in contact with him should please ask him what is going on. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Hey Kyle: power generating shocks
--- Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com wrote: Even on a perfectly smooth road there must be a lot of energy wasted in conventional shock absorbers, whenever you accelerate, brake, go round a bend... If it's of the order of 1 kW or even 100W on average, then Jeff is right that it's certainly worth recovering! Energy is only produced by a shock-recovering system when the moving component (piston compressing gas, magnet 'pushing' against an inductor) is moving. When going around a turn, there is a transient when the piston/actuator moves, but then the vehicle is steadily cocked to one side. When it comes back up after exiting the turn, you can get a little more energy back, perhaps. Even with a 4,000 pound car (say, an old Monte Carlo like I used to have), this is not going to be enough energy to sneeze at. What is 4kw? It is nothing at all. Power, not energy. If I can supply 4kW for 0.5 sec, what is that? A 22hp electric drivetrain requires ~16.5kW continuous. And to make matters worse, you'll need more than that for a 4,000 pound car. And the lighter the car, the less force applied to the shocks, and so on. Now, all that aside, the important thing is cost effectiveness to the consumer, not efficiency. We can make the efficient part somewhere else, say, a nice clean generating station. Or a better engine, whatever. Assume 4 shocks at say $25 apiece, which waste this miniscule amount of energy (not power, energy). Assume you replace that with 4 'green' shocks that recover this tiny amount of energy. Each will cost, what? At least a few hundred dollars. How long will they last? Well, Mercedes Benz costs a lot, and they fail more often than Chevy struts do, in my experience. Now factor in whatever control circuitry and wiring is needed to convey this intermittent power to the charging system, protection against transients which might damage the vehicle's ECU, factor in water and moisture getting into the shock, salt water/road chemicals used on northern streets against snow and ice (corrosive), heat conducting up the shock from the brakes, etc. You recover a few kJ (nothing compared to what's require to move the car), increase the manufacturing price of the car a couple thousand $$$, decrease mean time between failure by increasing complexity of the system, increase repair/operating costs, and quite possibly increase the weight of the vehicle. Gas shocks are LIGHT. How light will this be? But I'm just a mechanic, I don't know what I'm talking about. --Kyle
RE: [Vo]:Hey Kyle: power generating shocks
Kyle, Pardon my ignorant, irrational excursion into green shock technology. What you are saying here makes perfect practical sense, even though the PS article played it up so nicely. I am a retired designer of large scale power generating systems. No one should have any regard for what I say on that subject either. Jeff ;-) -Original Message- From: Kyle Mcallister [mailto:kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:09 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hey Kyle: power generating shocks --- Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com wrote: Even on a perfectly smooth road there must be a lot of energy wasted in conventional shock absorbers, whenever you accelerate, brake, go round a bend... If it's of the order of 1 kW or even 100W on average, then Jeff is right that it's certainly worth recovering! Energy is only produced by a shock-recovering system when the moving component (piston compressing gas, magnet 'pushing' against an inductor) is moving. When going around a turn, there is a transient when the piston/actuator moves, but then the vehicle is steadily cocked to one side. When it comes back up after exiting the turn, you can get a little more energy back, perhaps. Even with a 4,000 pound car (say, an old Monte Carlo like I used to have), this is not going to be enough energy to sneeze at. What is 4kw? It is nothing at all. Power, not energy. If I can supply 4kW for 0.5 sec, what is that? A 22hp electric drivetrain requires ~16.5kW continuous. And to make matters worse, you'll need more than that for a 4,000 pound car. And the lighter the car, the less force applied to the shocks, and so on. Now, all that aside, the important thing is cost effectiveness to the consumer, not efficiency. We can make the efficient part somewhere else, say, a nice clean generating station. Or a better engine, whatever. Assume 4 shocks at say $25 apiece, which waste this miniscule amount of energy (not power, energy). Assume you replace that with 4 'green' shocks that recover this tiny amount of energy. Each will cost, what? At least a few hundred dollars. How long will they last? Well, Mercedes Benz costs a lot, and they fail more often than Chevy struts do, in my experience. Now factor in whatever control circuitry and wiring is needed to convey this intermittent power to the charging system, protection against transients which might damage the vehicle's ECU, factor in water and moisture getting into the shock, salt water/road chemicals used on northern streets against snow and ice (corrosive), heat conducting up the shock from the brakes, etc. You recover a few kJ (nothing compared to what's require to move the car), increase the manufacturing price of the car a couple thousand $$$, decrease mean time between failure by increasing complexity of the system, increase repair/operating costs, and quite possibly increase the weight of the vehicle. Gas shocks are LIGHT. How light will this be? But I'm just a mechanic, I don't know what I'm talking about. --Kyle
RE: [Vo]:Hey Kyle: power generating shocks
You're right of course, Kyle, except the trend will be that vehicle suspensions will be active and computer controlled and the energy recovery will be a natural result of the motor drive circuitry. ( Such that you can go over speed bumps at high speed and barely feel it, so the speed bumps will get so high that folks with older cars won't be able to go over them at all :-) . ). The US is already requiring active stability control. With the next generation of vehicles Steorn ORBO powered, Howard Johnson/Mylow powered, Pons-Fleischmann powered, Hydrino powered, Focus fusion powered, Griggs sonofusion powered, Bearden and Goldes powered, no one will give a rat's ass about efficiency anymore, so this is just academic anyway. It'll be nice to leave the air conditioner/heater on all the time, and have a refrigerator in the car etc. You may not even have to park a car, just send it on it's way and call it to come back when you want it. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona, US -Original Message- From: Jeff Fink [mailto:rev...@ptd.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:49 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Hey Kyle: power generating shocks Kyle, Pardon my ignorant, irrational excursion into green shock technology. What you are saying here makes perfect practical sense, even though the PS article played it up so nicely. I am a retired designer of large scale power generating systems. No one should have any regard for what I say on that subject either. Jeff ;-) -Original Message- From: Kyle Mcallister [mailto:kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:09 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hey Kyle: power generating shocks --- Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com wrote: Even on a perfectly smooth road there must be a lot of energy wasted in conventional shock absorbers, whenever you accelerate, brake, go round a bend... If it's of the order of 1 kW or even 100W on average, then Jeff is right that it's certainly worth recovering! Energy is only produced by a shock-recovering system when the moving component (piston compressing gas, magnet 'pushing' against an inductor) is moving. When going around a turn, there is a transient when the piston/actuator moves, but then the vehicle is steadily cocked to one side. When it comes back up after exiting the turn, you can get a little more energy back, perhaps. Even with a 4,000 pound car (say, an old Monte Carlo like I used to have), this is not going to be enough energy to sneeze at. What is 4kw? It is nothing at all. Power, not energy. If I can supply 4kW for 0.5 sec, what is that? A 22hp electric drivetrain requires ~16.5kW continuous. And to make matters worse, you'll need more than that for a 4,000 pound car. And the lighter the car, the less force applied to the shocks, and so on. Now, all that aside, the important thing is cost effectiveness to the consumer, not efficiency. We can make the efficient part somewhere else, say, a nice clean generating station. Or a better engine, whatever. Assume 4 shocks at say $25 apiece, which waste this miniscule amount of energy (not power, energy). Assume you replace that with 4 'green' shocks that recover this tiny amount of energy. Each will cost, what? At least a few hundred dollars. How long will they last? Well, Mercedes Benz costs a lot, and they fail more often than Chevy struts do, in my experience. Now factor in whatever control circuitry and wiring is needed to convey this intermittent power to the charging system, protection against transients which might damage the vehicle's ECU, factor in water and moisture getting into the shock, salt water/road chemicals used on northern streets against snow and ice (corrosive), heat conducting up the shock from the brakes, etc. You recover a few kJ (nothing compared to what's require to move the car), increase the manufacturing price of the car a couple thousand $$$, decrease mean time between failure by increasing complexity of the system, increase repair/operating costs, and quite possibly increase the weight of the vehicle. Gas shocks are LIGHT. How light will this be? But I'm just a mechanic, I don't know what I'm talking about. --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
On May 9, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote: I wonder about the aluminum U channel. One could hide a few AAA's in there, and a small 'kicker' solenoid, and some control circuitry. All it takes is a bolt (core) wrapped with a small sense coil and a larger energizing coil. You hook the sensor coil to a transistor gate and the the power coil to emitter and battery. As a magnet approaches the bolt it induces a current in the sensor coil and thus through the gate. With correct (feedback reinforcing) coil connections the effect is also motion reinforcing. When the magnet is closest to the bolt, dB/dt is zero, the induction of current through the gate stops, and the power to the bolt stops, permitting the magnet to escape the added attraction of the bolt due to the current. It can also be designed to work in repulsion mode. The nice thing about this set-up is almost no current is drawn unless there is magnet motion to start the process, so no on switch is needed. This is also a down side because any motor so designed is not self starting without some other mechanism. It can work with a single AAA battery. This kind of circuit is used in various battery powered spinning top type toys. Such a toy would be a good source of compatible parts to make a fraudulent motor experiment. On May 10, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand. Has your hand raised yet? 8^) Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
He shows the underside of the U-channel on this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvMbgGcHeEY I don't see any batteries or coils. (Be sure to turn off captions so you can see it clearly) He then proceeds, without taking a break, to demonstrate the motor. Harry - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow On May 9, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote: I wonder about the aluminum U channel. One could hide a few AAA's in there, and a small 'kicker' solenoid, and some control circuitry. All it takes is a bolt (core) wrapped with a small sense coil and a larger energizing coil. You hook the sensor coil to a transistor gate and the the power coil to emitter and battery. As a magnet approaches the bolt it induces a current in the sensor coil and thus through the gate. With correct (feedback reinforcing) coil connections the effect is also motion reinforcing. When the magnet is closest to the bolt, dB/dt is zero, the induction of current through the gate stops, and the power to the bolt stops, permitting the magnet to escape the added attraction of the bolt due to the current. It can also be designed to work in repulsion mode. The nice thing about this set-up is almost no current is drawn unless there is magnet motion to start the process, so no on switch is needed. This is also a down side because any motor so designed is not self starting without some other mechanism. It can work with a single AAA battery. This kind of circuit is used in various battery powered spinning top type toys. Such a toy would be a good source of compatible parts to make a fraudulent motor experiment. On May 10, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand. Has your hand raised yet? 8^) Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
Horace's circuit, just like Terry's, could reside entirely within one of the wooden parts. Or even within what is presented as the stator magnet. Michel 2009/5/10, Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca: He shows the underside of the U-channel on this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvMbgGcHeEY I don't see any batteries or coils. (Be sure to turn off captions so you can see it clearly) He then proceeds, without taking a break, to demonstrate the motor. Harry - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow On May 9, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote: I wonder about the aluminum U channel. One could hide a few AAA's in there, and a small 'kicker' solenoid, and some control circuitry. All it takes is a bolt (core) wrapped with a small sense coil and a larger energizing coil. You hook the sensor coil to a transistor gate and the the power coil to emitter and battery. As a magnet approaches the bolt it induces a current in the sensor coil and thus through the gate. With correct (feedback reinforcing) coil connections the effect is also motion reinforcing. When the magnet is closest to the bolt, dB/dt is zero, the induction of current through the gate stops, and the power to the bolt stops, permitting the magnet to escape the added attraction of the bolt due to the current. It can also be designed to work in repulsion mode. The nice thing about this set-up is almost no current is drawn unless there is magnet motion to start the process, so no on switch is needed. This is also a down side because any motor so designed is not self starting without some other mechanism. It can work with a single AAA battery. This kind of circuit is used in various battery powered spinning top type toys. Such a toy would be a good source of compatible parts to make a fraudulent motor experiment. On May 10, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand. Has your hand raised yet? 8^) Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:All traces of Robert Duncan's cold fusion lecture removed removed from U. Missouri web page
I cut out the first lecture in the video, reducing the size to 98 MB. I sent a copy of the video to Steve via YouSendIt. I do not know how that works but maybe other people can download it: https://www.yousendit.com/download/dVlwZGl0UnF3TGpIRGc9PQ - Jed
Re: [Vo]:All traces of Robert Duncan's cold fusion lecture removed removed from U. Missouri web page
Worked for me. Terry On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I cut out the first lecture in the video, reducing the size to 98 MB. I sent a copy of the video to Steve via YouSendIt. I do not know how that works but maybe other people can download it: https://www.yousendit.com/download/dVlwZGl0UnF3TGpIRGc9PQ - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Hey Kyle: power generating shocks
From Hoyt, ... With the next generation of vehicles Steorn ORBO powered, Howard Johnson/Mylow powered, Pons-Fleischmann powered, Hydrino powered, Focus fusion powered, Griggs sonofusion powered, Bearden and Goldes powered, no one will give a rat's ass about efficiency anymore, so this is just academic anyway. It'll be nice to leave the air conditioner/heater on all the time, and have a refrigerator in the car etc. You may not even have to park a car, just send it on it's way and call it to come back when you want it. You forgot Mr. Fusion. Who needs roads when piloting a hover car. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
IMO based on what little information appears to have been posted so far, there is no way to know for sure if Mylow is a con-artist or whether he really has accomplished an extraordinary feat. Under the circumstances it would seem wise not to invest one's personal convictions too strongly in either direction, yea or nay. Becoming entrenched with a personally invested opinion at this stage of the game can often lead to senseless bickering over what often turns out to be no more substantive than creative conjecture. It wouldn't hurt to approach this matter from a detached Zen-like POV. I would suggest we endeavor to keep a good eye on what happens next. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
*IF* it is a con then perhaps it is an advertising ploy on the part of allmagnetics.com since he has mentioned that company quite a few times in his recent videos. Harry - Original Message - From: OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009 9:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow IMO based on what little information appears to have been posted so far, there is no way to know for sure if Mylow is a con-artist or whether he really has accomplished an extraordinary feat. Under the circumstances it would seem wise not to invest one's personal convictions too strongly in either direction, yea or nay. Becoming entrenched with a personally invested opinion at this stage of the game can often lead to senseless bickering over what often turns out to be no more substantive than creative conjecture. It wouldn't hurt to approach this matter from a detached Zen-like POV. I would suggest we endeavor to keep a good eye on what happens next. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
