[Vo]:I am constantly impressed by with Lane is doing

2010-11-15 Thread fznidarsic


I am constantly impressed by with Lane is doing
He got many comments and redid the segment.  Now its even better.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E14V_zK5Kbo
 
Frank Znidarsic






[Vo]:Past the Peak

2010-11-15 Thread Terry Blanton
According to The Grey Lady, we are past the Hubbard Peak:

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/is-peak-oil-behind-us/?src=twttwt=nytimesgreen

Peak oil is not just here — it’s behind us already.

That’s the conclusion of the International Energy Agency, the Paris-based
organization that provides energy analysis to 28 industrialized nations.
According to a projection in the agency’s latest annual
reporthttp://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/,
released last week, production of conventional crude oil — the black liquid
stuff that rigs pump out of the ground — probably topped out for good in
2006, at about 70 million barrels a day. Production from currently producing
oil fields will drop sharply in coming decades, the report suggests.

The agency does not see energy doom on the horizon, however. By its
estimation, after a short dip in production, crude production will reach an
“undulating plateau” of about 68 million barrels a day between 2020 and
2035.

more


Re: [Vo]:Past the Peak

2010-11-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
The IEA looks like an authoritative source. Agencies such as this one 
and the DoE EIA get their data from industry sources. I trust them. It 
is in industry's best interest to tell the truth. That's a problem in 
the Middle East and Russia, but enough U.S. and European experts have 
been to these oil fields to make reliable evaluations.


This is nothing to panic about. The worst case decline (the gray line) 
is slow, giving plenty of time to develop other source of energy and 
things like hybrid cars.


- Jed



[Vo]:Finding a use for monoxide

2010-11-15 Thread Jones Beene
What is the strongest chemical bond in nature? (This is a bit of a trick
question, and is counterintuitive).

The triple bond dissociation energy of carbon monoxide can be 1072 kJ/mol
and this represents the strongest chemical bond known, much stronger than
CO2 for instance. 

The CO triple bond resembles molecular nitrogen, which is almost inert but
with lower ultimate bond strength.  The triple bond is the not the only key,
since bond strength varies with distance. Here is the catch-22: with CO the
bond distance at STP is not optimized, so in effect what should be an inert
gas is instead a fairly good oxidizer. This can change with either
refrigeration or cavity confinement to force closer bond distance.

I am mentioning this only as a curiosity for now, since many chemical
reactions on paper do not work out in practicality. And in any event, the
only way to use this factoid would be if it resulted in a high commercial
value for carbon monoxide.

Why ? Well, in a perverse way it could relate to the hydrogen economy. 

If we want cheap hydrogen, then valuable CO is one way to get to it (by
way of coal and the water-shift reaction).

So how does cold-confinement convert toxic CO into a valuable molecule?

Wild-guess time. In the context of the caveat above (this is, after all: on
paper) - the analogy to consider would be nano-thermite, where a strongly
bound molecule like iron-oxide, with little apparent oxidizing potential on
its own- becomes an ultra-high explosive, due to circumstance which are
similar, in more than one way.

Imagine liquid CO, in a nanocavity matrix of magnesium, for instance . 




RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the crystals phonon vibration

2010-11-15 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Frank,
Your view of ZPE seems too narrow, If you accept  HUP you are 
also talking about Zero Point Energy  - gas does not freeze at 0 Kelvin -it 
remains liquid as a result of some energy source, hence the name zero point 
energy. I happen to favor the Puthoff model where the energy is imparted from 
an EXTERNAL  ether  but I can live with your model of energy being INTERNALLY  
imbedded in the matter itself -it really becomes just a matter of semantics in 
my model because energy is imparted from a NONPHYSICAL  dimensions intersecting 
with our spatial plane in the same Pythagorean relationship modeled in the 
Gamma formula. This non physical dimension becomes a tower of Babel for 
theorists when discussing displacement or time - I see numerous connections 
between different theories presented on this forum but too often people become 
myopic or feel offended by ideas they perceive as competing.
Best Regards
Fran

From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the crystals 
phonon vibration

I don't do anything with the Casimar force and zero point energy.  According to 
that model the atoms radiate energy and this energy is replenished by in inflow 
of zero point energy.  I say that the energy is in matter and is stuck there 
through the action of an elastic discontinuity..  It only flows out during 
transtion.   I  don't invoke the Casimir principle to slow light during the 
process of quantum transition.  I say that the permeability of the medium 
increases the strength of the gravitomagnetic field.  A slower velocity is 
required to conserve momentum as the strength of the gravitomagnteic field 
increases.  This effect and the fact that wavefunction collapses at 
superlumeinal velocities (neg grav potential=positive energy) are my arguments 
for an increased strength of the gravitomangetic field during transtion.  The 
matching of velcoticies mechancial and electrical are also arguemtns that the 
strength of the magnetic component of the forces equalsizes. I produced the 
probability of transition from this arguement.


I don't understand your twin paradox thing.  What I say is the phase angle 
between the potential (electric etc.) and kinetic (magnetic) competents 
produces the effect that we know as Special Relativity.  Linked below.



http://www.wbabin.net/science/znidarsic.pdf

I do my own thing quite different from the rest of the world and noone 
understands me either.  I seemed to have developed a cult following as of late 
and even I know not what they are doing.

-Original Message-
From: francis froarty...@comcast.net
To: fznidar...@aol.com
Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 6:58 pm
Subject: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the crystals phonon 
vibration
Frank,
   I see some common ground between a relativistic interpretation 
of Casimir effect and your suggesting that the  speed of light inside a  
lattice can slow down to the transmission speed of the phonon vibration. I 
think that Naudts' proposal for relativistic hydrogen may well be the surfer in 
your analogy where suppression of longer wavelengths forced time smaller to 
make the fluctuations fit within their confinement. We only see that the longer 
wavelengths seem to have been replaced with shorter ones but if time changed 
(Hotsons basic time quantum) to make the fluctuations appear shorter then 
everything inside the suppression area is equally translated. This would be 
equivalent deceleration - still a huge dv relative to us but it is we outside 
the lattice rushing away at the normal speed of light and coming back only 
minutes later (from our perspective) to find the hydrogen or other reactants at 
the slower speed of light having aged like the stationary twin in the twin 
paradox -  It seems counter-intuitive that hydrogen and deuterium are 
accelerated from our perspective even though they are spatially confined and 
measure in degrees kelvin.  IMHO this is further evidence of relativistic 
effects and equivalent  acceleration - the observers remain spatially adjacent 
but time slows (energy density is reduced) inside the lattice. The observer/ 
surfer/hydrogen atom suppressed inside the lattice sees no change in it's 
spatial landscape like the space faring twin it is unaware that it's world line 
has changed. It's motion now occurring more and more on an axis that is 
unobservable to us and like the returning twin only measurable when the 
observer returns to our frame outside the lattice for comparison.
Regards
Fran


Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the crystals phonon vibration

2010-11-15 Thread seattle truth
Peace Fran,

Purely through the monocle of Occam's razor, which seems more likely?

A) That zero-point energy is bleeding through from some other dimension /
universe  wherein either conservation of energy laws don't apply, or to keep
our atoms spinning, we are literally stealing all of the energy from their
dimension / universe... And when it runs out all of our atoms will start
following Newtonian physics laws again...

Or...

B) That atoms retain a zero-point energy because the valve to let them
release energy (photons) is turned off (by impedance mismatching).



Like I said in the video series. It's 2010. Its time we get past relying on
magic (i.e. energy coming in from another dimension) to explain how an
atom works. Magical explanations seem rather antiquated to me.

Peace.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Roarty, Francis X 
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:

 Frank,

 Your view of ZPE seems too narrow, If you accept  HUP you
 are also talking about Zero Point Energy  – gas does not freeze at 0 Kelvin
 –it remains liquid as a result of some energy source, hence the name zero
 point energy. I happen to favor the Puthoff model where the energy is
 imparted from an EXTERNAL  ether  but I can live with your model of energy
 being INTERNALLY  imbedded in the matter itself –it really becomes just a
 matter of semantics in my model because energy is imparted from a
 NONPHYSICAL  dimensions intersecting with our spatial plane in the same
 Pythagorean relationship modeled in the Gamma formula. This non physical
 dimension becomes a tower of Babel for theorists when discussing
 displacement or time – I see numerous connections between different theories
 presented on this forum but too often people become myopic or feel offended
 by ideas they perceive as competing.

 Best Regards

 Fran



 *From:* fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
 *Sent:* Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:53 PM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the
 crystals phonon vibration



 I don't do anything with the Casimar force and zero point energy.
 According to that model the atoms radiate energy and this energy is
 replenished by in inflow of zero point energy.  I say that the energy is in
 matter and is stuck there through the action of an elastic discontinuity..
 It only flows out during transtion.   I  don't invoke the Casimir principle
 to slow light during the process of quantum transition.  I say that the
 permeability of the medium increases the strength of the gravitomagnetic
 field.  A slower velocity is required to conserve momentum as the strength
 of the gravitomagnteic field increases.  This effect and the fact that
 wavefunction collapses at superlumeinal velocities (neg grav
 potential=positive energy) are my arguments for an increased strength of the
 gravitomangetic field during transtion.  The matching of velcoticies
 mechancial and electrical are also arguemtns that the strength of the
 magnetic component of the forces equalsizes. I produced the probability of
 transition from this arguement.





 I don't understand your twin paradox thing.  What I say is the phase angle
 between the potential (electric etc.) and kinetic (magnetic) competents
 produces the effect that we know as Special Relativity.  Linked below.







 http://www.wbabin.net/science/znidarsic.pdf



 I do my own thing quite different from the rest of the world and noone
 understands me either.  I seemed to have developed a cult following as of
 late and even I know not what they are doing.



 -Original Message-
 From: francis froarty...@comcast.net
 To: fznidar...@aol.com
 Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 6:58 pm
 Subject: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the crystals phonon
 vibration

 Frank,

I see some common ground between a relativistic
 interpretation of Casimir effect and your suggesting that the  speed of
 light inside a  lattice can slow down to the transmission speed of the
 phonon vibration. I think that Naudts’ proposal for relativistic hydrogen
 may well be the surfer in your analogy where suppression of longer
 wavelengths forced time smaller to make the fluctuations fit within their
 confinement. We only see that the longer wavelengths seem to have been
 replaced with shorter ones but if time changed (Hotsons basic time quantum)
 to make the fluctuations appear shorter then everything inside the
 suppression area is equally translated. This would be equivalent
 deceleration – still a huge dv relative to us but it is we outside the
 lattice rushing away at the normal speed of light and coming back only
 minutes later (from our perspective) to find the hydrogen or other reactants
 at the slower speed of light having aged like the stationary twin in the
 twin paradox –  It seems counter-intuitive that hydrogen and deuterium are
 “accelerated” from our perspective even though they are spatially confined
 

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the crystals phonon vibration

2010-11-15 Thread fznidarsic

I agree with Lane.  Energy has a gravitational effect.  The gravity associated 
with all of this zero point energy would
warp space and Hubble's constant would be much greater.  The mamoth zpe field 
is not there, sorry.

Frank






-Original Message-
From: seattle truth seattle.tr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the 
crystals phonon vibration


Peace Fran,


Purely through the monocle of Occam's razor, which seems more likely?


A) That zero-point energy is bleeding through from some other dimension / 
universe  wherein either conservation of energy laws don't apply, or to keep 
our atoms spinning, we are literally stealing all of the energy from their 
dimension / universe... And when it runs out all of our atoms will start 
following Newtonian physics laws again... 


Or...


B) That atoms retain a zero-point energy because the valve to let them release 
energy (photons) is turned off (by impedance mismatching).






Like I said in the video series. It's 2010. Its time we get past relying on 
magic (i.e. energy coming in from another dimension) to explain how an atom 
works. Magical explanations seem rather antiquated to me.


Peace.


On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com 
wrote:


Frank,
Your view of ZPE seems too narrow, If you accept  HUP you are 
also talking about Zero Point Energy  – gas does not freeze at 0 Kelvin –it 
remains liquid as a result of some energy source, hence the name zero point 
energy. I happen to favor the Puthoff model where the energy is imparted from 
an EXTERNAL  ether  but I can live with your model of energy being INTERNALLY  
imbedded in the matter itself –it really becomes just a matter of semantics in 
my model because energy is imparted from a NONPHYSICAL  dimensions intersecting 
with our spatial plane in the same Pythagorean relationship modeled in the 
Gamma formula. This non physical dimension becomes a tower of Babel for 
theorists when discussing displacement or time – I see numerous connections 
between different theories presented on this forum but too often people become 
myopic or feel offended by ideas they perceive as competing.
Best Regards
Fran 
 

From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the crystals 
phonon vibration

 

I don't do anything with the Casimar force and zero point energy.  According to 
that model the atoms radiate energy and this energy is replenished by in inflow 
of zero point energy.  I say that the energy is in matter and is stuck there 
through the action of an elastic discontinuity..  It only flows out during 
transtion.   I  don't invoke the Casimir principle to slow light during the 
process of quantum transition.  I say that the permeability of the medium 
increases the strength of the gravitomagnetic field.  A slower velocity is 
required to conserve momentum as the strength of the gravitomagnteic field 
increases.  This effect and the fact that wavefunction collapses at 
superlumeinal velocities (neg grav potential=positive energy) are my arguments 
for an increased strength of the gravitomangetic field during transtion.  The 
matching of velcoticies mechancial and electrical are also arguemtns that the 
strength of the magnetic component of the forces equalsizes. I produced the 
probability of transition from this arguement.

 

 

I don't understand your twin paradox thing.  What I say is the phase angle 
between the potential (electric etc.) and kinetic (magnetic) competents 
produces the effect that we know as Special Relativity.  Linked below.

 

 

 

http://www.wbabin.net/science/znidarsic.pdf

 

I do my own thing quite different from the rest of the world and noone 
understands me either.  I seemed to have developed a cult following as of late 
and even I know not what they are doing.

 

-Original Message-
From: francis froarty...@comcast.net
To: fznidar...@aol.com
Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 6:58 pm
Subject: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the crystals phonon 
vibration


Frank,

   I see some common ground between a relativistic interpretation 
of Casimir effect and your suggesting that the  speed of light inside a  
lattice can slow down to the transmission speed of the phonon vibration. I 
think that Naudts’ proposal for relativistic hydrogen may well be the surfer in 
your analogy where suppression of longer wavelengths forced time smaller to 
make the fluctuations fit within their confinement. We only see that the longer 
wavelengths seem to have been replaced with shorter ones but if time changed 
(Hotsons basic time quantum) to make the fluctuations appear shorter then 
everything inside the suppression area is equally translated. This would 

[Vo]:ICCF-14 Proceedings uploaded

2010-11-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
The ICCF-14 Proceedings have finally been uploaded. Most of the papers 
in these proceedings have been available at LENR-CANR.org for years, but 
some are not available, and the introductions to the various sections 
are interesting. So have a look!


The proceedings had too many pages for the U. Utah printing equipment, 
so they were divided into Volume 1 and Volume 2. They are also uploaded 
in two volumes.


Two versions of the Proceedings are available. A version with the 
complete set of papers is here:


http://www.iscmns.org/iccf14/ProcICCF14a.pdf (Volume 1)

http://www.iscmns.org/iccf14/ProcICCF14b.pdf (Volume 2)


This version does not include any papers by Dr. Mitchell Swartz:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/NagelDJproceeding.pdf (Volume 1)

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/NagelDJproceedinga.pdf (Volume 2)


Each paper by Swartz is replaced with a link to the ISCMNS version, as 
follows:


Dr. Mitchell Swartz does not wish to have his papers uploaded to 
LENR-CANR.org. A copy of this paper can be found here: 
http://www.iscmns.org/iccf14/ProcICCF14a.pdf;


- Jed



Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the crystals phonon vibration

2010-11-15 Thread Jed Rothwell

fznidar...@aol.com wrote:

Energy has a gravitational effect.  The gravity associated with all of 
this zero point energy would
warp space and Hubble's constant would be much greater.  The mamoth 
zpe field is not there, sorry.


Scott Little told me the very same thing, years ago. That seems right to me.

- Jed



Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the crystals phonon vibration

2010-11-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 5:48 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:

 I agree with Lane.  Energy has a gravitational effect.  The gravity
 associated with all of this zero point energy would
 warp space and Hubble's constant would be much greater.  The mamoth zpe
 field is not there, sorry.


ZPE does not exhibit a gravitational effect because it balances in two
different metrics, one with positive energy and one with negative.  The
virtual particles with half energy spin are constantly rotating between six
dimensions, three in our space and three in a negative energy space.  The
only places there is an unbalance that we know are in Casimir cavities and
black hole event horizons.

T


Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the crystals phonon vibration

2010-11-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 5:48 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:

  I agree with Lane.  Energy has a gravitational effect.  The gravity
 associated with all of this zero point energy would
 warp space and Hubble's constant would be much greater.  The mamoth zpe
 field is not there, sorry.


 ZPE does not exhibit a gravitational effect because it balances in two
 different metrics, one with positive energy and one with negative.  The
 virtual particles with half energy spin are constantly rotating between six
 dimensions, three in our space and three in a negative energy space.  The
 only places there is an unbalance that we know are in Casimir cavities and
 black hole event horizons.


half energy spin = half integer spin

Fingers don't listen to brain.

T


[Vo]:unsubscribe

2010-11-15 Thread fznidarsic

Leving aol dial up and moving on to high speed service.



Re: [Vo]:unsubscribe

2010-11-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Frank wrote:


 Leving aol dial up and moving on to high speed service.


Welcome to 1990!

That's not how you unsubscribe, by the way.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the crystals phonon vibration

2010-11-15 Thread Jones Beene
From: Terry Blanton 

 

ZPE does not exhibit a gravitational effect because it balances in two
different metrics, one with positive energy and one with negative.  The
virtual particles with half energy spin are constantly rotating between six
dimensions, three in our space and three in a negative energy space.  The
only places there is an unbalance that we know are in Casimir cavities and
black hole event horizons.

 

half energy spin = half integer spin

 

 

Not to mention the almost humorous level of ignorance implied in a
suggestion that extra-dimensionality somehow equates with magic. 

 

.except in the primitive context that everything one cannot grasp must be
categorized as magic .

 

the gods must be crazy.

 

Jones 



Re: [Vo]:speed of light = transmission speed of the crystals phonon vibration

2010-11-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:


 “the gods must be crazy”…


Must return evil bottle to the abyss for deposit.

T


Re: [Vo]:unsubscribe

2010-11-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Frank wrote:


 Leving aol dial up and moving on to high speed service.


 Welcome to 1990!

 That's not how you unsubscribe, by the way.


To:  vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject:  Unsubscribe