RE: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint]

AussieGuy has put his money where his mouth is, unlike nearly all others on
this list. the person putting the money at risk, calls the shots. All he
needs from this forum is support and encouragement.

 

All I can say is.

- why did it take you so long to get here (that's actually meant to be
encouraging!),

- MORE POWER TO YA, AG!  Do it!!

 

Best Wishes from the northern hemisphere,

-Mark

 

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Mary Yugo]

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
wrote:

> I have allocated $100k to the cell replication project. I was ready to
> spend $200k to buy a 100 kW E-Cat system. When Rossi is ready to provide
> the detailed specifications for his 330 Ac kW E-Cat, we will again restart
> the process to acquire a unit from Leonardo.


I'm confused.  I thought you already had an iron clad deal with Rossi to
buy one of his contraptions with the 100 or so E-cats in a container and
were going to add electrical power generators.  Is that off now, or what?
You wrote about it as if it would happen practically tomorrow.  Changed
your mind?

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Aussie,

Happy Midsummer by any name to you and Yours!

Very interesting plan with these FPE Cells. Are they
working- at which intensity, with which degree of reproducibility , how
long? Guarantee?
The history of demo cells in CF is very complex and cannot be called a
series of triumphs; you have to change this.
Peter

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
> > Please shut up.
> >
> > Oh, and Merry Christmas!
>
> ROFL!  And happy Hanukkah!
>
> (from one frustrated to another)
>
> T
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Terry Blanton]

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Please shut up.
>
> Oh, and Merry Christmas!

ROFL!  And happy Hanukkah!

(from one frustrated to another)

T

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Jed Rothwell]

Charles Hope  wrote:

>
> As far as I'm concerned it's more likely that this email account is a
> shill paid by Rossi to spin tales and lend him credence, or just somebody's
> idea of a laugh.
>

Please shut up.

Oh, and Merry Christmas!

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

I was open why I came here, said I desired to build / obtain a working 
FPE device, was entering this business to make money and was asking for 
help in understanding the effect, the players and the history. I will 
not make any specific claims about our not yet built FPE replicant 
device until I have the uni report on that device as backup. The 
replication process will not start until I have the first uni report 
showing the 2 loan cells I obtained do achieve the results I was shown.


AG


On 12/26/2011 12:26 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
  wrote:

All will be revealed when we have the positive uni report on our replicant
FPE devices. Until then everyone involved wants to keep a low profile, which
I trust you understand.

Then why are YOU talking about it on the most popular cold fusion site
in the entire world?!?  Low profile??!?!

Jesus!

Oh, Happy Birthday.  :-)

T

[Vo]:merry christmas and happy holidays

[fznidarsic]

Its time to take a break from scientific issues and spend some time with family 
and friends.  I even had a few drinks and started up some trouble with my 
brother in law.




Merry Christmas


Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Terry Blanton]

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
 wrote:
> All will be revealed when we have the positive uni report on our replicant
> FPE devices. Until then everyone involved wants to keep a low profile, which
> I trust you understand.

Then why are YOU talking about it on the most popular cold fusion site
in the entire world?!?  Low profile??!?!

Jesus!

Oh, Happy Birthday.  :-)

T

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

I have allocated $100k to the cell replication project. I was ready to 
spend $200k to buy a 100 kW E-Cat system. When Rossi is ready to provide 
the detailed specifications for his 330 Ac kW E-Cat, we will again 
restart the process to acquire a unit from Leonardo. Likewise when 
Defkalion is ready to do business, we will purchase one of their 45 kW 
thermal Hyperions. As for the small cells, we made it clear we were in 
the market for small cells and we received several offers. When the 
local uni confirms the specs on the 2 loan cells, we will pay the 
suppliers $15k for the 3 month loan. When the local uni finishes their 
tests on our replicant cells, we will publish the data as then we have 
something to sell. Until then we have nothing to sell or disclose, so 
why set up a web site or go public? Until then I would suggest you 
review this successful and simple replication: 
http://www.lenr-canr.org/Experiments.htm#HighSchoolStudents


AG


On 12/26/2011 11:47 AM, Charles Hope wrote:

A company that's spent $100k+ on R&D, but can't let anyone know they're even in 
the industry? I know marketing operations must sometimes be embargoed but that's a 
bit tough to swallow.

As far as I'm concerned it's more likely that this email account is a shill 
paid by Rossi to spin tales and lend him credence, or just somebody's idea of a 
laugh.



On Dec 25, 2011, at 20:06, Aussie Guy E-Cat  wrote:


All will be revealed when we have the positive uni report on our replicant FPE 
devices. Until then everyone involved wants to keep a low profile, which I 
trust you understand.

AG


On 12/26/2011 11:24 AM, Charles Hope wrote:

Have you yet revealed your name, or the name of your company?



On Dec 25, 2011, at 19:48, Aussie Guy E-Cat   wrote:


I support McKubre's "Conservation of Miracles" or as I put it, "Different Dog, Same 
Leg Action" ;)

AG


On 12/26/2011 11:04 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
wrote:

I can't discuss the cell technology yet. I can say I consider a Ni-H cell as
a FPE device.

But it is not.  The reaction is likely unrelated to PdD.

T

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Charles Hope]

A company that's spent $100k+ on R&D, but can't let anyone know they're even in 
the industry? I know marketing operations must sometimes be embargoed but 
that's a bit tough to swallow. 

As far as I'm concerned it's more likely that this email account is a shill 
paid by Rossi to spin tales and lend him credence, or just somebody's idea of a 
laugh.   

 

On Dec 25, 2011, at 20:06, Aussie Guy E-Cat  wrote:

> All will be revealed when we have the positive uni report on our replicant 
> FPE devices. Until then everyone involved wants to keep a low profile, which 
> I trust you understand.
> 
> AG
> 
> 
> On 12/26/2011 11:24 AM, Charles Hope wrote:
>> Have you yet revealed your name, or the name of your company?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 25, 2011, at 19:48, Aussie Guy E-Cat  wrote:
>> 
>>> I support McKubre's "Conservation of Miracles" or as I put it, "Different 
>>> Dog, Same Leg Action" ;)
>>> 
>>> AG
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/26/2011 11:04 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
wrote:
> I can't discuss the cell technology yet. I can say I consider a Ni-H cell 
> as
> a FPE device.
 But it is not.  The reaction is likely unrelated to PdD.
 
 T
>> 
> 

[Vo]:Apple's Hydrogen Batteries..

[Patrick Ellul]

... won't need a recharge for weeks...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8975382/Apple-plots-smartphones-powered-by-hydrogen.html

Merry Christmas.

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

All will be revealed when we have the positive uni report on our 
replicant FPE devices. Until then everyone involved wants to keep a low 
profile, which I trust you understand.


AG


On 12/26/2011 11:24 AM, Charles Hope wrote:

Have you yet revealed your name, or the name of your company?



On Dec 25, 2011, at 19:48, Aussie Guy E-Cat  wrote:


I support McKubre's "Conservation of Miracles" or as I put it, "Different Dog, Same 
Leg Action" ;)

AG


On 12/26/2011 11:04 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
   wrote:

I can't discuss the cell technology yet. I can say I consider a Ni-H cell as
a FPE device.

But it is not.  The reaction is likely unrelated to PdD.

T

Re: [Vo]:US Senate candidate Randy Hekman puts LENR first

[Moab Moab]

Hekman was one of the men who proposed the "cold fusion" review to the U.S.
Department of Energy. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/DOE/DOE.shtml

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Akira Shirakawa  wrote:

> Hello group,
>
> It looks that Tarr and Romney aren't the only US politicians seemingly
> open on LENR. From now, you can add to the list Randy Hekman, US Senate
> candate from Michigan.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

The uni report and the availability of the replicant cells will do all 
that is needed to debunk skeptics. Our goal is to take FPE devices out 
of the lab and into the hands of anyone who desires to work with a new 
energy source. It amazed me why no one did this with the
cells made by the high school students: 
http://www.lenr-canr.org/Experiments.htm


AG


On 12/26/2011 11:21 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Right, so your aim is not to debunk skeptics. At least I hope that you 
make them available as science kits even if they yield only 1W, as 
soon as possible.


2011/12/25 Aussie Guy E-Cat >


At this moment in time all I have are 2 loan cells. They will be
tested at a local uni, which claims to have the necessary people
and equipment to do a proper evaluation and to produce a report.
When I and others see the uni report, showing the cells have
repeated what I saw a few weeks ago, then we will start moving
forward to build replicant cells and to make them commercially
available.

AG

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

The uni we are working with will be free to publish their report on our 
replicant cells. As part of the agreement, the uni gets the right to 
make more of our replicant cells as the 2 loan need to be returned. We 
will release more details when the uni's replicant cell report is completed.


AG


On 12/26/2011 11:19 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
  wrote:

At this moment in time all I have are 2 loan cells. They will be tested at a
local uni, which claims to have the necessary people and equipment to do a
proper evaluation and to produce a report. When I and others see the uni
report, showing the cells have repeated what I saw a few weeks ago, then we
will start moving forward to build replicant cells and to make them
commercially available.

Are they electrolytic or gas loaded dry or something else?

T

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Charles Hope]

Have you yet revealed your name, or the name of your company? 



On Dec 25, 2011, at 19:48, Aussie Guy E-Cat  wrote:

> I support McKubre's "Conservation of Miracles" or as I put it, "Different 
> Dog, Same Leg Action" ;)
> 
> AG
> 
> 
> On 12/26/2011 11:04 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
>>   wrote:
>>> I can't discuss the cell technology yet. I can say I consider a Ni-H cell as
>>> a FPE device.
>> But it is not.  The reaction is likely unrelated to PdD.
>> 
>> T
> 

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Daniel Rocha]

Right, so your aim is not to debunk skeptics. At least I hope that you make
them available as science kits even if they yield only 1W, as soon as
possible.

2011/12/25 Aussie Guy E-Cat 

> At this moment in time all I have are 2 loan cells. They will be tested at
> a local uni, which claims to have the necessary people and equipment to do
> a proper evaluation and to produce a report. When I and others see the uni
> report, showing the cells have repeated what I saw a few weeks ago, then we
> will start moving forward to build replicant cells and to make them
> commercially available.
>
> AG
>
>
>
> On 12/26/2011 10:58 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
>
>> So, your aim is not to convince skeptics. That is something secondary in
>> this plan and this is what we would expect from Rossi, DGT  anyway. So, you
>> won't get a better result in convincing any skeptics since we will have to
>> wait mcuh longer since you are in a much earlier stage of development.
>>
>> If you wanted to convince skeptics, as a priority, you'd have to do it
>> totally open from day 0 and do not sell any kit, but on the contrary, put
>> instructions on how to build one from scratch on your website.
>>
>> 2011/12/25 Aussie Guy E-Cat > aussieguy.ecat@gmail.**com >>
>>
>>
>>We are moving into this field to make money. We have already
>>invested over $100k to secure the first loan cells and to do the
>>uni work. We expect to recover some those funds from the sale of
>>the FPE replicant cells and other services. We will create a web
>>site and discussion forum where FPE replicant cell purchasers can
>>discuss their findings. Our target price is $500 for 1 of our FPE
>>replicant cells. We will also supply, to cell purchasers,
>>additional cell components, heat exchangers, pumps, temp sensors,
>>data loggers, precision power supplies, etc. While we expect to do
>>some sales into the uni world, the bulk sales will be to private
>>researcher and hobbyist, who will need more equipment support than
>>would a uni.
>>
>>AG
>>
>>
>>
>>On 12/26/2011 10:30 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
>>
>>Why don't you develop it open source? Like RepRap:
>>
>>http://reprap.org/wiki/RepRap
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Rocha - RJ
>> danieldi...@gmail.com 
>>
>>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Terry Blanton]

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
 wrote:
> At this moment in time all I have are 2 loan cells. They will be tested at a
> local uni, which claims to have the necessary people and equipment to do a
> proper evaluation and to produce a report. When I and others see the uni
> report, showing the cells have repeated what I saw a few weeks ago, then we
> will start moving forward to build replicant cells and to make them
> commercially available.

Are they electrolytic or gas loaded dry or something else?

T

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

I support McKubre's "Conservation of Miracles" or as I put it, 
"Different Dog, Same Leg Action" ;)


AG


On 12/26/2011 11:04 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
  wrote:

I can't discuss the cell technology yet. I can say I consider a Ni-H cell as
a FPE device.

But it is not.  The reaction is likely unrelated to PdD.

T

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

At this moment in time all I have are 2 loan cells. They will be tested 
at a local uni, which claims to have the necessary people and equipment 
to do a proper evaluation and to produce a report. When I and others see 
the uni report, showing the cells have repeated what I saw a few weeks 
ago, then we will start moving forward to build replicant cells and to 
make them commercially available.


AG


On 12/26/2011 10:58 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
So, your aim is not to convince skeptics. That is something secondary 
in this plan and this is what we would expect from Rossi, DGT  anyway. 
So, you won't get a better result in convincing any skeptics since we 
will have to wait mcuh longer since you are in a much earlier stage of 
development.


If you wanted to convince skeptics, as a priority, you'd have to do it 
totally open from day 0 and do not sell any kit, but on the contrary, 
put instructions on how to build one from scratch on your website.


2011/12/25 Aussie Guy E-Cat >


We are moving into this field to make money. We have already
invested over $100k to secure the first loan cells and to do the
uni work. We expect to recover some those funds from the sale of
the FPE replicant cells and other services. We will create a web
site and discussion forum where FPE replicant cell purchasers can
discuss their findings. Our target price is $500 for 1 of our FPE
replicant cells. We will also supply, to cell purchasers,
additional cell components, heat exchangers, pumps, temp sensors,
data loggers, precision power supplies, etc. While we expect to do
some sales into the uni world, the bulk sales will be to private
researcher and hobbyist, who will need more equipment support than
would a uni.

AG



On 12/26/2011 10:30 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:

Why don't you develop it open source? Like RepRap:

http://reprap.org/wiki/RepRap





--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com 

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Daniel Rocha]

It depends on the theory. The solar process can yield deuterium from
protons.

2011/12/25 Terry Blanton 

> On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
>  wrote:
> > I can't discuss the cell technology yet. I can say I consider a Ni-H
> cell as
> > a FPE device.
>
> But it is not.  The reaction is likely unrelated to PdD.
>
> T
>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Terry Blanton]

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
 wrote:
> I can't discuss the cell technology yet. I can say I consider a Ni-H cell as
> a FPE device.

But it is not.  The reaction is likely unrelated to PdD.

T

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

I can't discuss the cell technology yet. I can say I consider a Ni-H 
cell as a FPE device.


AG

On 12/26/2011 10:53 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
  wrote:

We are moving into this field to make money. We have already invested over
$100k to secure the first loan cells and to do the uni work. We expect to
recover some those funds from the sale of the FPE replicant cells and other
services. We will create a web site and discussion forum where FPE replicant
cell purchasers can discuss their findings. Our target price is $500 for 1
of our FPE replicant cells. We will also supply, to cell purchasers,
additional cell components, heat exchangers, pumps, temp sensors, data
loggers, precision power supplies, etc. While we expect to do some sales
into the uni world, the bulk sales will be to private researcher and
hobbyist, who will need more equipment support than would a uni.

That's pretty cheap considering the price of heavy water and
palladium.  You *are* using deuterium and palladium, right?
Otherwise, they are not utilizing the FPE.

T

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

I saw over 1 Watt of excess heat generated with a COP of greater than 5. 
That needs to be confirmed by our local uni before they can draw down 
the funding.


AG


On 12/26/2011 10:53 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:



On 11-12-25 07:03 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
They are simple thermal electrochemical cells. We plan to trial 
various ideas to link a small external heat exchanger so you can flow 
water in the secondary circuit and do delta temp measurements.


I don't understand.   That would provide you with a measurement which 
would show you what the COP was.   But you already know the COP, 
right?  So why invest more effort in what's just another COP measurement?


Or do you currently know the COP?  How was the COP of 5 measured?




AG


On 12/26/2011 10:16 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:



On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat 
mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com>> wrote:


They output greater than 1 watt with a COP greater than 5.


Thermal or electrical?  And if they output 5x input at a watt level, 
it should be almost trivial to run them on their own output.  A long 
run without any input power would be quite impressive.  Suggestion:  
close the loop if you want respect.

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Daniel Rocha]

So, your aim is not to convince skeptics. That is something secondary in
this plan and this is what we would expect from Rossi, DGT  anyway. So, you
won't get a better result in convincing any skeptics since we will have to
wait mcuh longer since you are in a much earlier stage of development.

If you wanted to convince skeptics, as a priority, you'd have to do it
totally open from day 0 and do not sell any kit, but on the contrary, put
instructions on how to build one from scratch on your website.

2011/12/25 Aussie Guy E-Cat 

> We are moving into this field to make money. We have already invested over
> $100k to secure the first loan cells and to do the uni work. We expect to
> recover some those funds from the sale of the FPE replicant cells and other
> services. We will create a web site and discussion forum where FPE
> replicant cell purchasers can discuss their findings. Our target price is
> $500 for 1 of our FPE replicant cells. We will also supply, to cell
> purchasers, additional cell components, heat exchangers, pumps, temp
> sensors, data loggers, precision power supplies, etc. While we expect to do
> some sales into the uni world, the bulk sales will be to private researcher
> and hobbyist, who will need more equipment support than would a uni.
>
> AG
>
>
>
> On 12/26/2011 10:30 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
>
>> Why don't you develop it open source? Like RepRap:
>>
>> http://reprap.org/wiki/RepRap
>>
>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Terry Blanton]

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
 wrote:
> We are moving into this field to make money. We have already invested over
> $100k to secure the first loan cells and to do the uni work. We expect to
> recover some those funds from the sale of the FPE replicant cells and other
> services. We will create a web site and discussion forum where FPE replicant
> cell purchasers can discuss their findings. Our target price is $500 for 1
> of our FPE replicant cells. We will also supply, to cell purchasers,
> additional cell components, heat exchangers, pumps, temp sensors, data
> loggers, precision power supplies, etc. While we expect to do some sales
> into the uni world, the bulk sales will be to private researcher and
> hobbyist, who will need more equipment support than would a uni.

That's pretty cheap considering the price of heavy water and
palladium.  You *are* using deuterium and palladium, right?
Otherwise, they are not utilizing the FPE.

T

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

On 11-12-25 07:03 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
They are simple thermal electrochemical cells. We plan to trial 
various ideas to link a small external heat exchanger so you can flow 
water in the secondary circuit and do delta temp measurements.


I don't understand.   That would provide you with a measurement which 
would show you what the COP was.   But you already know the COP, right?  
So why invest more effort in what's just another COP measurement?


Or do you currently know the COP?  How was the COP of 5 measured?




AG


On 12/26/2011 10:16 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:



On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat 
mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com>> wrote:


They output greater than 1 watt with a COP greater than 5.


Thermal or electrical?  And if they output 5x input at a watt level, 
it should be almost trivial to run them on their own output.  A long 
run without any input power would be quite impressive.  Suggestion:  
close the loop if you want respect.

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

We are moving into this field to make money. We have already invested 
over $100k to secure the first loan cells and to do the uni work. We 
expect to recover some those funds from the sale of the FPE replicant 
cells and other services. We will create a web site and discussion forum 
where FPE replicant cell purchasers can discuss their findings. Our 
target price is $500 for 1 of our FPE replicant cells. We will also 
supply, to cell purchasers, additional cell components, heat exchangers, 
pumps, temp sensors, data loggers, precision power supplies, etc. While 
we expect to do some sales into the uni world, the bulk sales will be to 
private researcher and hobbyist, who will need more equipment support 
than would a uni.


AG


On 12/26/2011 10:30 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:

Why don't you develop it open source? Like RepRap:

http://reprap.org/wiki/RepRap

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

They are simple thermal electrochemical cells. We plan to trial various 
ideas to link a small external heat exchanger so you can flow water in 
the secondary circuit and do delta temp measurements.


AG


On 12/26/2011 10:16 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:



On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat 
mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com>> wrote:


They output greater than 1 watt with a COP greater than 5.


Thermal or electrical?  And if they output 5x input at a watt level, 
it should be almost trivial to run them on their own output.  A long 
run without any input power would be quite impressive.  Suggestion:  
close the loop if you want respect.

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Daniel Rocha]

Why don't you develop it open source? Like RepRap:

http://reprap.org/wiki/RepRap



2011/12/25 Aussie Guy E-Cat 

> We don't own any cells at present. When we finish the replicant stage and
> we are ready to provide cells to others, MY or anyone else can purchase
> them. Then MY can do whatever MY desires with the cells MY purchases.
>
> AG
>
>
>
> On 12/26/2011 10:14 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
>
>> Oh, so you will let MY personally do any test she desires with your cells?
>>
>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

We don't own any cells at present. When we finish the replicant stage 
and we are ready to provide cells to others, MY or anyone else can 
purchase them. Then MY can do whatever MY desires with the cells MY 
purchases.


AG


On 12/26/2011 10:14 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:

Oh, so you will let MY personally do any test she desires with your cells?

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Daniel Rocha]

That's thermal...

2011/12/25 Mary Yugo 

>
>
> On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat <
> aussieguy.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> They output greater than 1 watt with a COP greater than 5.
>>
>
> Thermal or electrical?  And if they output 5x input at a watt level, it
> should be almost trivial to run them on their own output.  A long run
> without any input power would be quite impressive.  Suggestion:  close the
> loop if you want respect.
>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Mary Yugo]

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
wrote:

> They output greater than 1 watt with a COP greater than 5.
>

Thermal or electrical?  And if they output 5x input at a watt level, it
should be almost trivial to run them on their own output.  A long run
without any input power would be quite impressive.  Suggestion:  close the
loop if you want respect.

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Daniel Rocha]

Oh, so you will let MY personally do any test she desires with your cells?

2011/12/25 Aussie Guy E-Cat 

> The 2 cells were obtained from an Asian source. They are on loan for 3
> months. The source will work remotely with our local uni to get them
> operational. They output greater than 1 watt with a COP greater than 5. We
> are funding the work at the local uni. The uni can publish the results from
> the cells we make locally. The source has received an up front payment.
> They will receive further funding as the cells are proven to work by the
> local uni and further funding when our replicant cells become operational.
>
> We plan to make our replicant cells available to other FPE researchers.
> These cells are not capable of delivering a E-Cat or Hyperion level of
> performance. They are designed to prove F&P were correct, the FPE is real,
> to silence the FPE deniers and drive scientific investigation of the FPE.
> Our desire is simple. To accelerate the acceptance of the FPE, to get the
> effect properly understood and to see FPE devices powering our planet. OK,
> along the way to make a few dollars as well.
>
>
> AG
>
>
> On 12/26/2011 4:15 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
>
>>
>> Greetings Aussie, and a Merry Down-Under X-Mass to you.
>>
>> I’ve taken advantage of a brief respite between family obligations by
>> sneaking over to my home office for some covert posting.
>>
>> Despite MY's self-defensive tactic of hoping to remain passively ignorant
>> of the issues by demanding you spoon-feed her everything in a neat tidy
>> little package, I believe "she" is correct on the matter that some of your
>> remarks continue to remain shrouded in obscurity. However, from my
>> perspective, parsing through obscurity is par-for-the-course when
>> attempting to communicate with companies involved in the process of
>> developing new & unproven technologies, particularly technologies that
>> hopefully will lead to competitive products.
>>
>> Therefore I shall continue my "parsing" endeavors in hopes of cutting
>> down on misinterpretation & innuendo:
>>
>> > The cells we have obtained are electrochemical FPE cells.
>>
>> > They are not commercial cells nor were they obtained from
>>
>> > any of the sources in Jed's archives, nor current FPE
>>
>> > device suppliers such as Leonardo, Defkalion, etc.
>>
>> > We have made it openly known that we are in the market
>>
>> > for FPE devices. We have been contacted by various
>>
>> > sources.
>>
>> Can you clarify whom your supplier(s) are at this time? The content of
>> your message implies (to me) that anonymity is currently preferred.
>> Nevertheless, if you were to name some of those "sources" would we
>> recognize any of them?
>>
>> > One of those agreed to supply us several "B" grade cells.
>>
>> Not sure what "B grade" implies here. Does it mean their "A" cells are of
>> a better quality... i.e.: better COP? If so, what are they planning on
>> doing with the “A cells”… and will you be able to obtain any of them?
>>
>> > I flew there, tested their cells and made commercial
>>
>> > arrangements to obtain a license and loan of several
>>
>> > cells that will enable us to replicate and build
>>
>> > several demo FPE systems for our commercial business.
>>
>> Can you give some reasonable estimates as to how efficient these “B
>> cells” are? What are the rated input/output COP energy measurements? I
>> assume there is room for significant improvement after additional R&D
>> funding is eventually supplied.
>>
>> Again, my apologies if you have already stated this for the twelfth time,
>> but what kind of products and services does your business plan on selling?
>> Water heaters? Generators? Does your business already market similar
>> products? Is there a website?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steven Vincent Johnson
>>
>> www.OrionWorks.com
>>
>> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>>
>>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

The 2 cells were obtained from an Asian source. They are on loan for 3 
months. The source will work remotely with our local uni to get them 
operational. They output greater than 1 watt with a COP greater than 5. 
We are funding the work at the local uni. The uni can publish the 
results from the cells we make locally. The source has received an up 
front payment. They will receive further funding as the cells are proven 
to work by the local uni and further funding when our replicant cells 
become operational.


We plan to make our replicant cells available to other FPE researchers. 
These cells are not capable of delivering a E-Cat or Hyperion level of 
performance. They are designed to prove F&P were correct, the FPE is 
real, to silence the FPE deniers and drive scientific investigation of 
the FPE. Our desire is simple. To accelerate the acceptance of the FPE, 
to get the effect properly understood and to see FPE devices powering 
our planet. OK, along the way to make a few dollars as well.


AG


On 12/26/2011 4:15 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:


Greetings Aussie, and a Merry Down-Under X-Mass to you.

I’ve taken advantage of a brief respite between family obligations by 
sneaking over to my home office for some covert posting.


Despite MY's self-defensive tactic of hoping to remain passively 
ignorant of the issues by demanding you spoon-feed her everything in a 
neat tidy little package, I believe "she" is correct on the matter 
that some of your remarks continue to remain shrouded in obscurity. 
However, from my perspective, parsing through obscurity is 
par-for-the-course when attempting to communicate with companies 
involved in the process of developing new & unproven technologies, 
particularly technologies that hopefully will lead to competitive 
products.


Therefore I shall continue my "parsing" endeavors in hopes of cutting 
down on misinterpretation & innuendo:


> The cells we have obtained are electrochemical FPE cells.

> They are not commercial cells nor were they obtained from

> any of the sources in Jed's archives, nor current FPE

> device suppliers such as Leonardo, Defkalion, etc.

> We have made it openly known that we are in the market

> for FPE devices. We have been contacted by various

> sources.

Can you clarify whom your supplier(s) are at this time? The content of 
your message implies (to me) that anonymity is currently preferred. 
Nevertheless, if you were to name some of those "sources" would we 
recognize any of them?


> One of those agreed to supply us several "B" grade cells.

Not sure what "B grade" implies here. Does it mean their "A" cells are 
of a better quality... i.e.: better COP? If so, what are they planning 
on doing with the “A cells”… and will you be able to obtain any of them?


> I flew there, tested their cells and made commercial

> arrangements to obtain a license and loan of several

> cells that will enable us to replicate and build

> several demo FPE systems for our commercial business.

Can you give some reasonable estimates as to how efficient these “B 
cells” are? What are the rated input/output COP energy measurements? I 
assume there is room for significant improvement after additional R&D 
funding is eventually supplied.


Again, my apologies if you have already stated this for the twelfth 
time, but what kind of products and services does your business plan 
on selling? Water heaters? Generators? Does your business already 
market similar products? Is there a website?


Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

www.OrionWorks.com

www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

We will be working with a local university to get the cells operational 
and then to build our own. We will go public when our cells are 
operational and we have the uni endorsed results. Please understand 
these are not commercial cells. They are to show, to potential clients 
and financial backers (banks), the FPE is real.


AG


On 12/26/2011 4:15 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:


Greetings Aussie, and a Merry Down-Under X-Mass to you.

I’ve taken advantage of a brief respite between family obligations by 
sneaking over to my home office for some covert posting.


Despite MY's self-defensive tactic of hoping to remain passively 
ignorant of the issues by demanding you spoon-feed her everything in a 
neat tidy little package, I believe "she" is correct on the matter 
that some of your remarks continue to remain shrouded in obscurity. 
However, from my perspective, parsing through obscurity is 
par-for-the-course when attempting to communicate with companies 
involved in the process of developing new & unproven technologies, 
particularly technologies that hopefully will lead to competitive 
products.


Therefore I shall continue my "parsing" endeavors in hopes of cutting 
down on misinterpretation & innuendo:


> The cells we have obtained are electrochemical FPE cells.

> They are not commercial cells nor were they obtained from

> any of the sources in Jed's archives, nor current FPE

> device suppliers such as Leonardo, Defkalion, etc.

> We have made it openly known that we are in the market

> for FPE devices. We have been contacted by various

> sources.

Can you clarify whom your supplier(s) are at this time? The content of 
your message implies (to me) that anonymity is currently preferred. 
Nevertheless, if you were to name some of those "sources" would we 
recognize any of them?


> One of those agreed to supply us several "B" grade cells.

Not sure what "B grade" implies here. Does it mean their "A" cells are 
of a better quality... i.e.: better COP? If so, what are they planning 
on doing with the “A cells”… and will you be able to obtain any of them?


> I flew there, tested their cells and made commercial

> arrangements to obtain a license and loan of several

> cells that will enable us to replicate and build

> several demo FPE systems for our commercial business.

Can you give some reasonable estimates as to how efficient these “B 
cells” are? What are the rated input/output COP energy measurements? I 
assume there is room for significant improvement after additional R&D 
funding is eventually supplied.


Again, my apologies if you have already stated this for the twelfth 
time, but what kind of products and services does your business plan 
on selling? Water heaters? Generators? Does your business already 
market similar products? Is there a website?


Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

www.OrionWorks.com

www.zazzle.com/orionworks

[Vo]:Happy Holidays

[Harry Veeder]

The Magic of Christmas

(as drawn by children)

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.251839494882181.61350.113366232062842&type=1

Harry

Re: [Vo]:Enhancing Hydrogen Evolution Activity in Water Splitting by Tailoring Li+-Ni(OH)2-Pt Interfaces

[zer tte]

I forgot to add the Argonne press release : 
http://www.anl.gov/Media_Center/News/2011/news111208.html


My bad, Axil noticed it earlier, subject is still open to discussion :
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg58631.html

[Vo]:Enhancing Hydrogen Evolution Activity in Water Splitting by Tailoring Li+-Ni(OH)2-Pt Interfaces

[zer tte]

I don't remember seeing this subject discussed here so :

A quick preview from the abstract :

"Improving the sluggish kinetics for the electrochemical reduction of 
water to molecular hydrogen in alkaline environments
is one key to reducing the high overpotentials 
and associated energy losses in water-alkali and chlor-alkali 
electrolyzers.
We found that a controlled arrangement of 
nanometer-scale Ni(OH)2 clusters on platinum electrode 
surfaces manifests a factor of 8 activity increase in catalyzing the 
hydrogen evolution reaction relative to state-of-the-art metal and 
metal-oxide catalysts. In a bifunctional effect, the edges of the Ni(OH)2 
clusters promoted the dissociation of water and the production of 
hydrogen intermediates that then adsorbed on the nearby Pt surfaces and 
recombined into molecular 
hydrogen. The generation of these hydrogen intermediates could be 
further enhanced via Li+-induced destabilization of the HO–H bond, resulting in 
a factor of 10 total increase in activity. "

one Ni to rule them all ?




http://www.sciencemag.org/content/334/6060/1256.abstract

RE: [Vo]:We have FPE cells

[OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

Greetings Aussie, and a Merry Down-Under X-Mass to you.

 

I've taken advantage of a brief respite between family obligations by
sneaking over to my home office for some covert posting.

 

Despite MY's self-defensive tactic of hoping to remain passively ignorant of
the issues by demanding you spoon-feed her everything in a neat tidy little
package, I believe "she" is correct on the matter that some of your remarks
continue to remain shrouded in obscurity. However, from my perspective,
parsing through obscurity is par-for-the-course when attempting to
communicate with companies involved in the process of developing new &
unproven technologies, particularly technologies that hopefully will lead to
competitive products.

 

Therefore I shall continue my "parsing" endeavors in hopes of cutting down
on misinterpretation & innuendo:

 

> The cells we have obtained are electrochemical FPE cells.

> They are not commercial cells nor were they obtained from

> any of the sources in Jed's archives, nor current FPE

> device suppliers such as Leonardo, Defkalion, etc.

> We have made it openly known that we are in the market

> for FPE devices. We have been contacted by various

> sources. 

 

Can you clarify whom your supplier(s) are at this time? The content of your
message implies (to me) that anonymity is currently preferred. Nevertheless,
if you were to name some of those "sources" would we recognize any of them?

 

> One of those agreed to supply us several "B" grade cells. 

 

Not sure what "B grade" implies here. Does it mean their "A" cells are of a
better quality... i.e.: better COP? If so, what are they planning on doing
with the "A cells". and will you be able to obtain any of them?

 

> I flew there, tested their cells and made commercial

> arrangements to obtain a license and loan of several

> cells that will enable us to replicate and build

> several demo FPE systems for our commercial business.

 

Can you give some reasonable estimates as to how efficient these "B cells"
are? What are the rated input/output COP energy measurements? I assume there
is room for significant improvement after additional R&D funding is
eventually supplied.

 

Again, my apologies if you have already stated this for the twelfth time,
but what kind of products and services does your business plan on selling?
Water heaters? Generators? Does your business already market similar
products? Is there a website?

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

www.OrionWorks.com

www.zazzle.com/orionworks

 

 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he will under price his competitors and kill them off

[David Roberson]

Congratulations AG.  Merry Christmas and thanks for doing a great job.

Dave



-Original Message-
From: Aussie Guy E-Cat 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Dec 25, 2011 1:12 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he will under price his competitors and kill them 
off


So it seems. We live in interesting times.
AG

n 12/25/2011 12:23 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
 So, he admits that DGT has the technology to make fusion too, heh.

 2011/12/24 Aussie Guy E-Cat mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com>>

   will kill the Copy-Cats of the competitors.

 -- 
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com 

[Vo]:INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY No. 487

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Colleagues,

 It is Sunday again, a special one, so please read:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/12/informavores-sunday-no-487.html
A new issue of my newsletter. It is as special as all the other issues. Its
value
is in the brain of the reader.
Yours,
Peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com