Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nano-carbon LENRs
I wrote: One question I have concerns the thermal properties of the [carbon nanotube bulk] system. I have started to conclude that the thermal properties are important -- for example, perhaps the temperature in the substrate must gradually build to the point where some kind of resonance is triggered in smaller sites throughout the material. It is not difficult to envision how this might occur in a thermally conducting material such as a metal. It is harder to see how this would happen in a carbon substrate. On second thought, graphene has some interesting thermal properties, as do carbon nanotubes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene#Thermal_properties http://authors.library.caltech.edu/1745/1/CHEnano00.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_properties_of_nanostructures#Carbon_nanotubes Wikipedia gives the thermal conductivity of nickel as 90.9 W/m/K. There are different numbers for the thermal conductivity of carbon nanotubes. The second source mentions up to ~29 W/m/K, provided there are few defects. The third source, from Wikipedia, says that the conductivity can get up to 3500 W/m/k, two orders of magnitude higher. But even if the carbon substrate were coal, it's obvious that it would have interesting thermal properties. Another important property would be the ability to load hydrogen. Apparently it might be possible to store hydrogen in carbon nanotubes: http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2011/January/26011103.asp How high a loading can be obtained in the structure that is discussed in this source is unclear. In the model in my mind, the cavity would probably need to be filled with hydrogen. If the rate of desorption of hydrogen is too high, a reaction might not be possible according to this line of thinking. A very nice thing about carbon bulk is that it can sustain high temperatures. The temperatures mentioned in the third link above, to Wikipedia, for temperature stability, are 2800 C (3073 K) in a vacuum and 750 C (1023 K) in air. The following source gives a melting temperature for carbon nanotube material without defects of 4500 K and a pre-melting temperature of 2600 K. http://iopscience.iop.org/0957-4484/18/28/285703;jsessionid=D53B81E04C8D46A0D606206C1E32DF70.c2 By comparison, the melting point of nickel is 1728 K. The reason the higher temperature would be useful in this line of reasoning is that a higher frequency of infrared would permeate the bulk. One might even have a fun time taking coal and heating it in a chamber loaded with hydrogen (but doing so very carefully). I believe Less Case did an interesting experiment with activated carbon that was reproduced by Michael McKubre. It included a palladium catalyst, but the palladium might not have been essential to the experiment if a suitable carbon material had been used. Activated carbon is carbon that has a large number of small pores and therefore a high surface area. If carbon nanotube material with some of these exotic properties, such as high thermal conductivity, high magnetic fields, and optical resonance, was used, a transition metal might not be needed. Eric
RE: [Vo]:Low-energy fusion caused by interference
Yes, good find Lou! What is likely happening here is that there are thousands of theorists and mathematicians looking for a challenging problem to solve, and now that LENR/CF is at least somewhat 'respectable', some of those theorists are beginning to work on explaining LENR... that is a good thing! -Mark -Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com [mailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Low-energy fusion caused by interference Perhaps of interest - a new paper from arxiv.org Low-energy fusion caused by an interference - B. Ivlev http://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.2357.pdf The author concludes that the probability that two deuterons colliding at room temperature will fuse is enhanced if their wave functions have proper forms. A couple earlier papers by the same author: New Enhanced Tunneling in Nuclear Processes http://arxiv.org/pdf/nucl-th/0307012 Euclidean resonance and a new type of nuclear reactions http://arxiv.org/pdf/nucl-th/0302066
[Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS - Tuesday, July 17th 9p | 12a ET Cold Fusion Is Hot Again A report on cold fusion - nuclear energy like that which powers the sun, but made at room temperatures on a tabletop, which in 1989, was presented as a revolutionary new source of energy that promised to be cheap, limitless and clean but was quickly dismissed as junk science. Today, scientists believe that cold fusion, now most often called low temperature fusion or a nuclear effect, could lead to monumental breakthroughs in energy production. The Collider A report on the Large Hadron Collider, a massive scientific instrument located 300 feet underground the border between Switzerland and France. It has taken twenty years and $8 billion to build. With it, physicists hope to discover sub-atomic particles so tiny that they’ve never before detected, particles they think will explain how the universe has organized itself into so many different entities.
[Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
(this was also posted to the private list for CMNS researchers.) It's come to my attention that some researchers have frequently observed a sudden drop in resistance of electrolytic cells associated with the onset of XP bursts. I'm seeking to document this. In experiments where there is electrolytic power in constant current mode, this shows up as a drop in voltage, usually shown in reports as a drop in input power, if input power is plotted. This seems to appear after substantial periods of stability in resistance. One paper which commented on the drop attributed it to heating of the electrolyte close to the cathode. If so, this signal shows up before cathodic heating has had time to increase cell temperature. The drop is abrupt in what I've seen. There is another possible explanation, though, which would be an increase in conductivity in that region due to ionization induced by short-range charged particle radiation. This radiation could be well below the Hagelstein limit and still have this effect, if it originates at or very near the cathode surface. (The Hagelstein limit is a limit set by Peter Hagestein in a Naturwissenschaften paper studying the expected behavior of charged particle radiation. The absence of predicted effects from high-energy charged particle radiation led him to set a limit of 20 KeV for substantial charged particle radiation from cold fusion experiments. If radiation is the cause, the resistance drop may appear even before the reaction has time to raise the temperature of the electrolyte. Hence I'm requesting communication from researchers regarding experience with CF electrolysis, in regard to resistance reduction (or the lack of same), associated with anomalous heat or other signals of a nuclear reaction. Thanks in advance.
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
Abd, do you have information concerning the relative magnitude of the power input drop relative to the nominal value in its absence? Are we speaking of a large percentage change? Dave -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 1:04 pm Subject: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect (this was also posted to the private list for CMNS researchers.) It's come to my attention that some researchers have frequently bserved a sudden drop in resistance of electrolytic cells associated ith the onset of XP bursts. I'm seeking to document this. In experiments where there is electrolytic power in constant current ode, this shows up as a drop in voltage, usually shown in reports as drop in input power, if input power is plotted. This seems to appear after substantial periods of stability in resistance. One paper which commented on the drop attributed it to heating of the lectrolyte close to the cathode. If so, this signal shows up before athodic heating has had time to increase cell temperature. The drop s abrupt in what I've seen. There is another possible explanation, though, which would be an ncrease in conductivity in that region due to ionization induced by hort-range charged particle radiation. This radiation could be well elow the Hagelstein limit and still have this effect, if it riginates at or very near the cathode surface. (The Hagelstein imit is a limit set by Peter Hagestein in a Naturwissenschaften aper studying the expected behavior of charged particle radiation. he absence of predicted effects from high-energy charged particle adiation led him to set a limit of 20 KeV for substantial charged article radiation from cold fusion experiments. If radiation is the cause, the resistance drop may appear even before he reaction has time to raise the temperature of the electrolyte. Hence I'm requesting communication from researchers regarding xperience with CF electrolysis, in regard to resistance reduction or the lack of same), associated with anomalous heat or other ignals of a nuclear reaction. Thanks in advance.
[Vo]:New Thermoelectric Material- Seeback Effect
Greetings Vortex-L, http://phys.org/news/2012-07-scientists-closer-kind-thermoelectric.html Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex
Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
From CE SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS - Tuesday, July 17th 9p | 12a ET Cold Fusion Is Hot Again A report on cold fusion - nuclear energy like that which powers the sun, but made at room temperatures on a tabletop, which in 1989, was presented as a revolutionary new source of energy that promised to be cheap, limitless and clean but was quickly dismissed as junk science. Today, scientists believe that cold fusion, now most often called low temperature fusion or a nuclear effect, could lead to monumental breakthroughs in energy production. The Collider A report on the Large Hadron Collider, a massive scientific instrument located 300 feet underground the border between Switzerland and France. It has taken twenty years and $8 billion to build. With it, physicists hope to discover sub-atomic particles so tiny that they’ve never before detected, particles they think will explain how the universe has organized itself into so many different entities. The heading, 60 Minutes, confuses me. July 17 is a Tuesday... not Sunday. Can you supply link(s) to where this information was retrieved from? Googlilng the information hasn't been particularly helpful. Shoot! OTOH, your post is already Googable, as an archived vortex-l post. This is getting a bit circuitious. Thanks! -- Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Lattice Energy LL -- Larsen Webradio Interview with Sandy Andrew, July 11 2012 by Lewis Larsen [ interview April 17, 2010 ]: Rich Murray 2012.07.11
Lattice Energy LL -- Larsen Webradio Interview with Sandy Andrew, July 11 2012 by Lewis Larsen [ interview April 17, 2010 ]: Rich Murray 2012.07.11 http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-lllarsen-webradio-interview-with-sandy-andrewjuly-11-2012?from=new_upload_email Lively, in-depth audio interview suitable for a general audience; Mr. Sandy Andrew had carefully researched the topics of LENRs and cold fusion prior to the show --- asked a number of probing questions that explored the scientific, economic, geopolitical, and social implications of the W-L theory of LENRs. [one-hour online recording]
Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
Sorry, Thought I included the link. Not sure about the dates... http://www.cnbc.com/id/40795923/ On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:12 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From CE SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS - Tuesday, July 17th 9p | 12a ET Cold Fusion Is Hot Again A report on cold fusion - nuclear energy like that which powers the sun, but made at room temperatures on a tabletop, which in 1989, was presented as a revolutionary new source of energy that promised to be cheap, limitless and clean but was quickly dismissed as junk science. Today, scientists believe that cold fusion, now most often called low temperature fusion or a nuclear effect, could lead to monumental breakthroughs in energy production. The Collider A report on the Large Hadron Collider, a massive scientific instrument located 300 feet underground the border between Switzerland and France. It has taken twenty years and $8 billion to build. With it, physicists hope to discover sub-atomic particles so tiny that they’ve never before detected, particles they think will explain how the universe has organized itself into so many different entities. The heading, 60 Minutes, confuses me. July 17 is a Tuesday... not Sunday. Can you supply link(s) to where this information was retrieved from? Googlilng the information hasn't been particularly helpful. Shoot! OTOH, your post is already Googable, as an archived vortex-l post. This is getting a bit circuitious. Thanks! -- Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
Yes - we heard that title about a year or 2 ago .. I think this is old old info or a re-airing of same. Fran -Original Message- From: Chemical Engineer [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:50 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th Sorry, Thought I included the link. Not sure about the dates... http://www.cnbc.com/id/40795923/ On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:12 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From CE SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS - Tuesday, July 17th 9p | 12a ET Cold Fusion Is Hot Again A report on cold fusion - nuclear energy like that which powers the sun, but made at room temperatures on a tabletop, which in 1989, was presented as a revolutionary new source of energy that promised to be cheap, limitless and clean but was quickly dismissed as junk science. Today, scientists believe that cold fusion, now most often called low temperature fusion or a nuclear effect, could lead to monumental breakthroughs in energy production. The Collider A report on the Large Hadron Collider, a massive scientific instrument located 300 feet underground the border between Switzerland and France. It has taken twenty years and $8 billion to build. With it, physicists hope to discover sub-atomic particles so tiny that they've never before detected, particles they think will explain how the universe has organized itself into so many different entities. The heading, 60 Minutes, confuses me. July 17 is a Tuesday... not Sunday. Can you supply link(s) to where this information was retrieved from? Googlilng the information hasn't been particularly helpful. Shoot! OTOH, your post is already Googable, as an archived vortex-l post. This is getting a bit circuitious. Thanks! -- Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
I am glad they are rebroadcasting this episode. I guess it is this coming Sunday? - Jed
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
Interesting... I cannot find it mentioned on the 60-Minutes website, but I also cannot find any future program schedule.. only this week's or past. Also, the cnbc.com link looks to be legit in that it is dated 2012. The program is slated to air next Tuesday which would not surprise me as LENR/CF is getting more and more press, and also the latest LENR conference at WM, and Dr.Duncan's talk there... it certainly wouldn't surprise me if a reporter attended that conference and the reporter was impressed by the presentations, which triggered this update by the 60-Min crew. -mark -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:57 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th Yes - we heard that title about a year or 2 ago .. I think this is old old info or a re-airing of same. Fran -Original Message- From: Chemical Engineer [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:50 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th Sorry, Thought I included the link. Not sure about the dates... http://www.cnbc.com/id/40795923/ On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:12 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From CE SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS - Tuesday, July 17th 9p | 12a ET Cold Fusion Is Hot Again A report on cold fusion - nuclear energy like that which powers the sun, but made at room temperatures on a tabletop, which in 1989, was presented as a revolutionary new source of energy that promised to be cheap, limitless and clean but was quickly dismissed as junk science. Today, scientists believe that cold fusion, now most often called low temperature fusion or a nuclear effect, could lead to monumental breakthroughs in energy production. The Collider A report on the Large Hadron Collider, a massive scientific instrument located 300 feet underground the border between Switzerland and France. It has taken twenty years and $8 billion to build. With it, physicists hope to discover sub-atomic particles so tiny that they've never before detected, particles they think will explain how the universe has organized itself into so many different entities. The heading, 60 Minutes, confuses me. July 17 is a Tuesday... not Sunday. Can you supply link(s) to where this information was retrieved from? Googlilng the information hasn't been particularly helpful. Shoot! OTOH, your post is already Googable, as an archived vortex-l post. This is getting a bit circuitious. Thanks! -- Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
From Francis: Yes - we heard that title about a year or 2 ago .. I think this is old old info or a re-airing of same. Originally aired back in 2009. http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-4952167.html I was wondering that as well. I'd like to believe that the CNBC installment woudl be a new updated installement, but who knows. See: http://www.cnbc.com/id/40795923/ I'm left with the impression that CNBC has it's own derivative of CBS's 60 Minutes program. Legally speaking, I'm not sure how CNBC can pull this off since it looks like a blatant copy of CBS's 60 Minutes Sunday evening program. There must be some kind of a business affiliate agreement going on here. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
Could this be an indication of the onset of ballistic conduction in some micro-/nano-channels? Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: (this was also posted to the private list for CMNS researchers.) It's come to my attention that some researchers have frequently observed a sudden drop in resistance of electrolytic cells associated with the onset of XP bursts. I'm seeking to document this. In experiments where there is electrolytic power in constant current mode, this shows up as a drop in voltage, usually shown in reports as a drop in input power, if input power is plotted. This seems to appear after substantial periods of stability in resistance. One paper which commented on the drop attributed it to heating of the electrolyte close to the cathode. If so, this signal shows up before cathodic heating has had time to increase cell temperature. The drop is abrupt in what I've seen. There is another possible explanation, though, which would be an increase in conductivity in that region due to ionization induced by short-range charged particle radiation. This radiation could be well below the Hagelstein limit and still have this effect, if it originates at or very near the cathode surface. (The Hagelstein limit is a limit set by Peter Hagestein in a Naturwissenschaften paper studying the expected behavior of charged particle radiation. The absence of predicted effects from high-energy charged particle radiation led him to set a limit of 20 KeV for substantial charged particle radiation from cold fusion experiments. If radiation is the cause, the resistance drop may appear even before the reaction has time to raise the temperature of the electrolyte. Hence I'm requesting communication from researchers regarding experience with CF electrolysis, in regard to resistance reduction (or the lack of same), associated with anomalous heat or other signals of a nuclear reaction. Thanks in advance.
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
maybe, the cathode becomes coated with many micro and nano bubbles, raising its surface electrical resistance -- then micro and nano explosions on the surface, which quickly becomes much more rugged with tractal geometry, expose the metal directly to the electrolyte, with reduced average electrical resistance -- check this with microphones able to hear very brief, tiny micro and nano explosions -- can this be done with unusual electrolytes at a few degrees above absolute zero? -- then the explosions might be more easily detectable as sounds and light flashes -- can verify any subtle nucear reactions -- strive to set up micro and nano scale experiments to allow detection and precise measurement of individual events ...
[Vo]:Strike it rich, fund your work?
I shoulda done that with my buckyballs magnets toy. Rats. L. Johnson: the Super-Soaker http://www.rexresearch.com/johnsonjtec/johnson-th.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonnie_Johnson_%28inventor%29 (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Strike it rich, fund your work?
Johnson is a genius. An amazing guy. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
Could this be an indication of the establishment of entangled electron states resulting in mass increase related to heavy electrons? Recently, heavy electrons have been shown to be an indicator of an onset of superconductive conditions. Axil On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Could this be an indication of the onset of ballistic conduction in some micro-/nano-channels? Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: (this was also posted to the private list for CMNS researchers.) It's come to my attention that some researchers have frequently observed a sudden drop in resistance of electrolytic cells associated with the onset of XP bursts. I'm seeking to document this. In experiments where there is electrolytic power in constant current mode, this shows up as a drop in voltage, usually shown in reports as a drop in input power, if input power is plotted. This seems to appear after substantial periods of stability in resistance. One paper which commented on the drop attributed it to heating of the electrolyte close to the cathode. If so, this signal shows up before cathodic heating has had time to increase cell temperature. The drop is abrupt in what I've seen. There is another possible explanation, though, which would be an increase in conductivity in that region due to ionization induced by short-range charged particle radiation. This radiation could be well below the Hagelstein limit and still have this effect, if it originates at or very near the cathode surface. (The Hagelstein limit is a limit set by Peter Hagestein in a Naturwissenschaften paper studying the expected behavior of charged particle radiation. The absence of predicted effects from high-energy charged particle radiation led him to set a limit of 20 KeV for substantial charged particle radiation from cold fusion experiments. If radiation is the cause, the resistance drop may appear even before the reaction has time to raise the temperature of the electrolyte. Hence I'm requesting communication from researchers regarding experience with CF electrolysis, in regard to resistance reduction (or the lack of same), associated with anomalous heat or other signals of a nuclear reaction. Thanks in advance.
Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
From a listing of next week’s CNBC programing, the listing is correct and the show is new with the date of production as 2012. Axil On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry, Thought I included the link. Not sure about the dates... http://www.cnbc.com/id/40795923/ On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:12 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From CE SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS - Tuesday, July 17th 9p | 12a ET Cold Fusion Is Hot Again A report on cold fusion - nuclear energy like that which powers the sun, but made at room temperatures on a tabletop, which in 1989, was presented as a revolutionary new source of energy that promised to be cheap, limitless and clean but was quickly dismissed as junk science. Today, scientists believe that cold fusion, now most often called low temperature fusion or a nuclear effect, could lead to monumental breakthroughs in energy production. The Collider A report on the Large Hadron Collider, a massive scientific instrument located 300 feet underground the border between Switzerland and France. It has taken twenty years and $8 billion to build. With it, physicists hope to discover sub-atomic particles so tiny that they’ve never before detected, particles they think will explain how the universe has organized itself into so many different entities. The heading, 60 Minutes, confuses me. July 17 is a Tuesday... not Sunday. Can you supply link(s) to where this information was retrieved from? Googlilng the information hasn't been particularly helpful. Shoot! OTOH, your post is already Googable, as an archived vortex-l post. This is getting a bit circuitious. Thanks! -- Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
I would agree that looking at the physical state of the water/bubbles at the surface of the electrode is a good idea. There was some work done many years ago on the sound of various chemical reactions. The sound of jelly setting was particularly odd (another situation where water is important). It was never followed up to the best of my knowledge Nigel On 11/07/2012 21:00, Rich Murray wrote: maybe, the cathode becomes coated with many micro and nano bubbles, raising its surface electrical resistance -- then micro and nano explosions on the surface, which quickly becomes much more rugged with tractal geometry, expose the metal directly to the electrolyte, with reduced average electrical resistance -- check this with microphones able to hear very brief, tiny micro and nano explosions -- can this be done with unusual electrolytes at a few degrees above absolute zero? -- then the explosions might be more easily detectable as sounds and light flashes -- can verify any subtle nucear reactions -- strive to set up micro and nano scale experiments to allow detection and precise measurement of individual events ...
Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
There were hints that an update by CBS was coming. I posted this in april: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65213.html Harry On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From a listing of next week’s CNBC programing, the listing is correct and the show is new with the date of production as 2012. Axil On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, Thought I included the link. Not sure about the dates... http://www.cnbc.com/id/40795923/ On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:12 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From CE SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS - Tuesday, July 17th 9p | 12a ET Cold Fusion Is Hot Again A report on cold fusion - nuclear energy like that which powers the sun, but made at room temperatures on a tabletop, which in 1989, was presented as a revolutionary new source of energy that promised to be cheap, limitless and clean but was quickly dismissed as junk science. Today, scientists believe that cold fusion, now most often called low temperature fusion or a nuclear effect, could lead to monumental breakthroughs in energy production. The Collider A report on the Large Hadron Collider, a massive scientific instrument located 300 feet underground the border between Switzerland and France. It has taken twenty years and $8 billion to build. With it, physicists hope to discover sub-atomic particles so tiny that they’ve never before detected, particles they think will explain how the universe has organized itself into so many different entities. The heading, 60 Minutes, confuses me. July 17 is a Tuesday... not Sunday. Can you supply link(s) to where this information was retrieved from? Googlilng the information hasn't been particularly helpful. Shoot! OTOH, your post is already Googable, as an archived vortex-l post. This is getting a bit circuitious. Thanks! -- Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From a listing of next week’s CNBC programing, the listing is correct and the show is new with the date of production as 2012. Where does it say that? I guess this is broadcast on Tuesday on CNBC. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Lattice Energy LL -- Larsen Webradio Interview with Sandy Andrew, July 11 2012 by Lewis Larsen [ interview April 17, 2010 ]: Rich Murray 2012.07.11
I am a bit confused by the description presented by Larsen. He states very clearly that the WL process relies upon the weak force for the energy generation mechanism. I thought that their use of the weak force was only to generate low momentum neutrons which actually has an energy cost and then this is followed by the absorption of these neutrons into the active nucleus. Why would the penetration of a neutron into a nucleus be considered weak force activity when it involves release of binding energy? Is Larsen avoiding the use of that term for any special reason? Am I mistaken in my understanding that the strong force is associated with binding energy within the nucleus? I would consider their process a use of the weak force to generate neutrons followed by a strong force interaction to release the vast stored binding energy. There is still room for the binding energy to be released in another form instead of gamma rays which we know would be difficult to control once freed. There are numerous reactions listed in fusion sources where little gamma energy is released. In these cases I generally see two or more fairly massive particles being emitted that share the energy in the form of kinetic energy. Thus far I have found it difficult to determine exactly what energy mix is released with fusion type nuclear reactions. I am unable to understand why some release only kinetic energy while others emit only gammas and still other reactions result in the release of both types of energy. How does one obtain a solution to this problem? Dave -Original Message- From: Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com To: vortex-L vortex-L@eskimo.com; Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 2:43 pm Subject: [Vo]:Lattice Energy LL -- Larsen Webradio Interview with Sandy Andrew, July 11 2012 by Lewis Larsen [ interview April 17, 2010 ]: Rich Murray 2012.07.11 Lattice Energy LL -- Larsen Webradio Interview with Sandy Andrew, July 1 2012 by Lewis Larsen [ interview April 17, 2010 ]: Rich Murray 012.07.11 http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-lllarsen-webradio-interview-with-sandy-andrewjuly-11-2012?from=new_upload_email Lively, in-depth audio interview suitable for a general audience; r. Sandy Andrew had carefully researched the topics of LENRs and cold fusion prior to the show --- asked a number of probing uestions that explored the scientific, economic, geopolitical, and ocial implications of the W-L theory of LENRs. one-hour online recording]
Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
I hope I am correctbut I think that there is an alliance between CBS 60 Minutes and CNBC to rebroadcast: Cold Fusion, Now Hot on tuesday eve on CNBC the Comerical NBC Business Channel. So watch..CNBC on Tuesday nightwatch the oil commodies on wednesday for an effect=??? Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA ..I am a regular CNBC stock watcher.. also I watch Mad Money and Squawk on The Street. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS - Tuesday, July 17th 9p | 12a ET Cold Fusion Is Hot Again A report on cold fusion - nuclear energy like that which powers the sun, but made at room temperatures on a tabletop, which in 1989, was presented as a revolutionary new source of energy that promised to be cheap, limitless and clean but was quickly dismissed as junk science. Today, scientists believe that cold fusion, now most often called low temperature fusion or a nuclear effect, could lead to monumental breakthroughs in energy production. The Collider A report on the Large Hadron Collider, a massive scientific instrument located 300 feet underground the border between Switzerland and France. It has taken twenty years and $8 billion to build. With it, physicists hope to discover sub-atomic particles so tiny that they’ve never before detected, particles they think will explain how the universe has organized itself into so many different entities.
Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
ABOUT THE SHOW “60 Minutes on CNBC” takes you a step further into hard hitting investigative reports, interviews, profiles, and features stories that have made 60 Minutes required viewing for millions. *CNBC brings you the latest on these classic stories with updates and never before seen footage of these award winning business news stories*. The program is produced for CNBC by CBS News Productions. SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS - *Tuesday, July 17th 9p | 12a ET* Cold Fusion Is Hot Again A report on cold fusion - nuclear energy like that which powers the sun, but made at room temperatures on a tabletop, which in 1989, was presented as a revolutionary new source of energy that promised to be cheap, limitless and clean but was quickly dismissed as junk science. Today, scientists believe that cold fusion, now most often called low temperature fusion or a nuclear effect, could lead to monumental breakthroughs in energy production. I'll be sleeping. Hope someone posts the updates. T
RE: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
The program appears in my Media Center listings for CNBC at 9 pm and 12 midnight on 7/17/12. I will set my computer to record it. George Holz Varitronics Systems geo...@varisys.com
[Vo]:San Fransisco Bay Area LENR meetup
Anyone interested in a local meetup to discuss LENR science, business, advancements and gossip?
RE: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
ABOUT THE SHOW 60 Minutes on CNBC takes you a step further into hard hitting investigative reports, interviews, profiles, and features stories that have made 60 Minutes required viewing for millions. The program is produced for CNBC by CBS News Productions. SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS - Tuesday, July 17th 9p | 12a ET ... I'll be sleeping. Hope someone posts the updates. That's what TIVO is for! Thanks for the heads up, Terry. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:San Fransisco Bay Area LENR meetup
Count me in. I missed meeting up with K.P. Sinha when he was in town, due to car problems. Kevmo --- On Wed, 7/11/12, Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com Subject: [Vo]:San Fransisco Bay Area LENR meetup To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 5:34 PM Anyone interested in a local meetup to discuss LENR science, business, advancements and gossip?
Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes Coverage on July 17th
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:10 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson Thanks for the heads up, Terry. Da nada. Now, that's like Monday night, right? So, ya gotta set up TIVO for first thing Tuesday. T (confused without ZULU time)
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: It's come to my attention that some researchers have frequently observed a sudden drop in resistance of electrolytic cells associated with the onset of XP bursts. I'm seeking to document this. I skimmed over something to this effect in a paper by A.B. Karabut or perhaps A.G. Lipson or Miley. I do not recall which paper. I didn't think much of it when I read about it. But to tease out the idea -- where there is a sudden drop in resistance, there is high conductivity and the possibility of superconductivity. And where there is a high current flow, there would be a strong magnetic field. What I like about strong magnetic fields is that they bring gamma quenching just a little bit more into the realm of possibility. They could, for instance, lead to synchrotron radiation, although synchrotron radiation might imply a 511 keV peak. But I do not have a clear sense that gamma quenching would require synchrotron radiation; from the reading I have done so far, the main requirement seems simply to be a dense field of soft photons brought about through whatever means. The long axis of an elongated optical cavity could potentially provide such a field. If the motion of the interacting species in the cavity were longitudinal rather than thermal, you might expect the majority of gammas to be emitted in the direction of the length of the cavity rather than towards one of the walls. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
I wrote: What I like about strong magnetic fields is that they bring gamma quenching just a little bit more into the realm of possibility. They could, for instance, lead to synchrotron radiation, although synchrotron radiation might imply a 511 keV peak. I omitted the important point about pair production -- it's the pair production that could potentially imply a 511 keV peak (I'm not sure). What I should have said is that it might be possible to have gamma quenching, perhaps assisted by synchrotron radiation or perhaps not, without necessarily getting to pair production. Eric
[Vo]:Hydrinos
http://phys.org/news/2012-06-mass-scientists-electrons-heavy-speedy.html *Got mass? Scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy* Hydrinos may be caused by entangled electrons. When electrons become entangled they gain mass if not energy. If such a heavy electron enters the orbit of a nickel atom, this extra mass will drive the orbit of the entangled electron closer to the nucleus. If the electron gets heavy enough, like Muon-catalyzed fusion (μCF), a heavy electron fusion process allows nuclear fusion to take place at temperatures significantly lower than the temperatures required for thermonuclear fusion, even at room temperature or lower. It is one of the few known ways of catalyzing nuclear fusion reactions. Muons are unstable subatomic particles. They are similar to electrons, but are about 207 times more massive. If a muon replaces one of the electrons in a hydrogen molecule, the nuclei are consequently drawn 207 times closer together than in a normal molecule. In like manner when an entangled electron with a mass 1000 times greater than a free electron gains mass through entanglement, the high mass electron's orbit draws closer into the nuclei in direct proportion to its increased mass based on its degree of entanglement, the probability of nuclear fusion with the heavy electron is greatly increased, to the point where a significant number of fusion events can happen at room temperature. When Mills sees evidence of hydrinos in spectral analysis emanating from his materials, he is really seeing heavy entangled electrons in close orbit around the nickel nucleus. This is a materials physics mechanism and only appears in the types of materials that Mills uses to increase heat production using this LENR mechanism. These hydrinos only form when electrons are entangled in special materials and hydrinos are not ubiquitous throughout nature as Mills claims. Cheers: Axil
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
Eric, I see that you are looking into gamma quenching as a method to control the dangerous gammas which are expected to be released by the reactions. Do you think that the process is virtually perfect such that there are essentially no gammas escaping to the outside world? I might accept that 99.9% of them are taken out by this process but that would still leave many to be detected outside of the devices. For this reason I have been seeking a process that keeps the gammas from forming in the reaction at any time. A quantum coupling of some form between the proton entering the nucleus and many other free ones nearby might fill the need. The action of my demon discussed earlier suggests that something of this nature might be active and possible. A thought occurred to me concerning the drop in equivalent resistance that this thread covers. It would be quite important if the drop were due to a reverse voltage generated by the LENR mechanism that could be improved in such a manner as to act as an electric source of energy. How wonderful it would be if we would be so lucky as to discover an electric source of power that directly converts LENR activity into DC power with a decent efficiency. If I recall the Patterson Cell used DC input to generate heat output, maybe this coupling can be reversed in some fashion. This concept is just open minded dreaming. I will return to reality ASAP! Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 11:03 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect I wrote: What I like about strong magnetic fields is that they bring gamma quenching just a little bit more into the realm of possibility. They could, for instance, lead to synchrotron radiation, although synchrotron radiation might imply a 511 keV peak. I omitted the important point about pair production -- it's the pair production that could potentially imply a 511 keV peak (I'm not sure). What I should have said is that it might be possible to have gamma quenching, perhaps assisted by synchrotron radiation or perhaps not, without necessarily getting to pair production. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
You wrote: Eric, I see that you are looking into gamma quenching as a method to control the dangerous gammas which are expected to be released by the reactions. Yes, unfortunately. It took me a little while to move away from neutron production, so there's still hope that I'll give up on gamma quenching as well at some point. Do you think that the process is virtually perfect such that there are essentially no gammas escaping to the outside world? I might accept that 99.9% of them are taken out by this process but that would still leave many to be detected outside of the devices. Ed Storms has estimated that to generate 1 watt of power, a typical output, by way of helium production, you would need on the order of 10^12 reactions per second. (I think this is probably for a 1 cm^3 volume, but I am not sure.) So I would probably need a 99.99 percent success rate in order for this approach to succeed. The evidence for gammas is quite strong. I recall seeing in one chart for an experiment hundreds of events for each of a number of energies in the gamma range. The main problem is that they are at levels much lower than that that would be expected for 1 watt of power, as mentioned above. But they are significant. Right now I'm wondering whether they arise from secondary reactions or from primary ones. If they only arise from secondary reactions, I don't suppose you would need a mechanism like gamma quenching. But I should also add that it would be surprising if charged electrons and protons moving through a powerful magnetic field (assuming one sometimes arises) did not give off synchrotron radiation, even if all the radiation for the system is to radiate and decrease the energy of the particles. There is still plenty of room for magic. Whether there is gamma quenching or not, somehow you have to get from hydrogen or deuterium plus something else to tritium, which has been observed in small but significant amounts. In my ignorance I am not able to get from p+p or p+D to tritium or helium-3, a decay product of tritium, without electron capture or something even more mysterious. It is perhaps this kind of problem leads Ed Storms to propose a type of slow compacting of protons screened by electrons that are sandwiched between them. I'm finding it easier to come at the LENR problem from the macroscopic thermodynamics of the system than to look at specific reactions. I would not be surprised if we eventually stumbled upon irreducible magic of some kind with regard to reactions. For this reason I have been seeking a process that keeps the gammas from forming in the reaction at any time. A quantum coupling of some form between the proton entering the nucleus and many other free ones nearby might fill the need. The action of my demon discussed earlier suggests that something of this nature might be active and possible. I wouldn't be surprised if something like this played out. Robin has warned about the strength of the strong force -- I can only imagine your demon will have its hands full gently easing the proton or neutron into the nucleus. A thought occurred to me concerning the drop in equivalent resistance that this thread covers. It would be quite important if the drop were due to a reverse voltage generated by the LENR mechanism that could be improved in such a manner as to act as an electric source of energy. How wonderful it would be if we would be so lucky as to discover an electric source of power that directly converts LENR activity into DC power with a decent efficiency. If LENR is the holy grail, direct conversion to electricity is the holy grail of the holy grail. Eric
Re: [Vo]: European commission recommends funding for LENR research
Anyone an idea who these professionals are who gave the input to the European report? I think its a great step forward, bravo for those individuals and their brave contribution! - Bastiaan. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 09:46 AM 7/4/2012, Harry Veeder wrote: http://ec.europa.eu/research/industrial_technologies/pdf/emerging-materials-report_en.pdf The effect takes place only with D in Pd, therefore a search for ashes (mainly He and Tritium) have to be included into the research program as a further task in order to define the effect. They don't seem to have heard of H+Ni ** ** (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Hydrinos
This is an interesting concept that might apply to protons as well. I have been seeking a mechanism that allows the binding energy associated with a proton entering a nucleus to be spread among others nearby and this might be that process. The gamma rays that normally occur with hot fusion would be eliminated in this manner and converted into heat. If the gammas are not generated, then they would not cause problems. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 11:24 pm Subject: [Vo]:Hydrinos http://phys.org/news/2012-06-mass-scientists-electrons-heavy-speedy.html Got mass? Scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy Hydrinos may be caused by entangled electrons. When electrons become entangled they gain mass if not energy. If such a “heavy“ electron enters the orbit of a nickel atom, this extra mass will drive the orbit of the entangled electron closer to the nucleus. If the electron gets heavy enough, like Muon-catalyzed fusion (μCF), a heavy electron fusion process allows nuclear fusion to take place at temperatures significantly lower than the temperatures required for thermonuclear fusion, even at room temperature or lower. It is one of the few known ways of catalyzing nuclear fusion reactions. Muons are unstable subatomic particles. They are similar to electrons, but are about 207 times more massive. If a muon replaces one of the electrons in a hydrogen molecule, the nuclei are consequently drawn 207 times closer together than in a normal molecule. In like manner when an entangled electron with a mass 1000 times greater than a free electron gains mass through entanglement, the high mass electron’s orbit draws closer into the nuclei in direct proportion to its increased mass based on its degree of entanglement, the probability of nuclear fusion with the heavy electron is greatly increased, to the point where a significant number of fusion events can happen at room temperature. When Mills sees evidence of hydrinos in spectral analysis emanating from his materials, he is really seeing heavy entangled electrons in close orbit around the nickel nucleus. This is a materials physics mechanism and only appears in the types of materials that Mills uses to increase heat production using this LENR mechanism. These hydrinos only form when electrons are entangled in special materials and hydrinos are not ubiquitous throughout nature as Mills claims. Cheers: Axil
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
I wrote: In my ignorance I am not able to get from p+p or p+D to tritium or helium-3, a decay product of tritium, without electron capture or something even more mysterious. I should clarify that what I'm hoping to find is an aneutronic reaction to get to tritium or helium-3. If you allow (high energy) daughter neutrons, then it's not difficult to get to helium-3. I think you can get tritium from deuterium via electron capture, but I don't know if that reaction can be influenced; and, anyway, you would not expect to see deuterium above background since it's already being produced by the deuterium. If you allow 6Li or 10B to be present, I think you can get tritium without daughter neutrons. Or perhaps the level of tritium is on the order of that of detected neutrons -- that would be an interesting correlation to look for. EXFOR is telling me that you can get tritium via proton capture with helium-4 and with carbon and other nuclei. So the mystery is perhaps not as mysterious as I was making it out to be. Since helium-3 is a decay product of tritium, Ed Storms has proposed that it is tritium production that precedes helium-3 production, and any explanation would need to address tritium. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
Eric Walker wrote: Yes, unfortunately. It took me a little while to move away from neutron production, so there's still hope that I'll give up on gamma quenching as well at some point. I think that we should give consideration to every possible concept that arises until Rossi or some of the others supply data revealing actual nuclear ash that has been measured. We could eliminate many ideas in fast order with this one act of mercy on their part. Gamma quenching has plenty of appeal as a way to tame high energy radiation and it might play an important part in the overall process. The evidence for gammas is quite strong. I recall seeing in one chart for an experiment hundreds of events for each of a number of energies in the gamma range. The main problem is that they are at levels much lower than that that would be expected for 1 watt of power, as mentioned above. But they are significant. Right now I'm wondering whether they arise from secondary reactions or from primary ones. If they only arise from secondary reactions, I don't suppose you would need a mechanism like gamma quenching. But I should also add that it would be surprising if charged electrons and protons moving through a powerful magnetic field (assuming one sometimes arises) did not give off synchrotron radiation, even if all the radiation for the system is to radiate and decrease the energy of the particles. I have gone around and around with the gamma shielding discussions in the past and still have many questions. Why would Rossi actually place so much material within his device unless he had a problem with gammas in the past? He stated previously that the lead shield converted the gammas into heat, but I am not sure that he still stands by that idea. I can see how 511 keV gammas due to the beta plus decay of some of the copper isotopes would need shielding, but the number of these gammas would depend upon his nickel isotope mix. Of course this line of thought is only true if he is fusing nickel with hydrogen instead of processes such as Ed Storms and others are suggesting. You mention synchrotron radiation as one source of high energy radiation. I think we can add acceleration of charged particles with or without a magnetic field as another source. I wouldn't be surprised if something like this played out. Robin has warned about the strength of the strong force -- I can only imagine your demon will have its hands full gently easing the proton or neutron into the nucleus. I am sure that the little demon would be a busy guy slowing down the proton as the strong force does its thing, but that is his job. A little help from proton entanglement and he might succeed. Dave
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
Eric, I think that tritium naturally undergoes beta decay to form helium-3. This process does not release any neutrons but it has a very slow decay rate which might not demonstrate much helium-3 during our time frame. Helium-4 is a strange acting element. It has an incredible amount of binding energy and it appears that the only way to end up with it as a fusion product is to simultaneously release a heavy nucleon or two when the source nuclei combine. I suspect that the released heavy nucleon allows the large binding energy to be released as kinetic energy keeping the helium intact. I have been reviewing the behavior of helium-4 recently as related to possible LENR paths. I saw somewhere that two deuterium nuclei can fuse into either tritium or helium-3. The helium-3 path releases a dangerous neutron while the tritium path ejects a proton. The ratio is about equal for the production of these items. I suspect that this particular fusion reaction is not active since few neutrons are seen. We do need to consider this expected behavior in light of the fact that it is true for hot fusion and may not apply to LENR. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Jul 12, 2012 12:31 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect I wrote: In my ignorance I am not able to get from p+p or p+D to tritium or helium-3, a decay product of tritium, without electron capture or something even more mysterious. I should clarify that what I'm hoping to find is an aneutronic reaction to get to tritium or helium-3. If you allow (high energy) daughter neutrons, then it's not difficult to get to helium-3. I think you can get tritium from deuterium via electron capture, but I don't know if that reaction can be influenced; and, anyway, you would not expect to see deuterium above background since it's already being produced by the deuterium. If you allow 6Li or 10B to be present, I think you can get tritium without daughter neutrons. Or perhaps the level of tritium is on the order of that of detected neutrons -- that would be an interesting correlation to look for. EXFOR is telling me that you can get tritium via proton capture with helium-4 and with carbon and other nuclei. So the mystery is perhaps not as mysterious as I was making it out to be. Since helium-3 is a decay product of tritium, Ed Storms has proposed that it is tritium production that precedes helium-3 production, and any explanation would need to address tritium. Eric
