RE: [Vo]:Syrian gas attacks...
Chemical weapon attack in Syria. There are many problems with the stories put out by various governments.To start with, governments can't be trusted without independent verification.Remember the supposed WMD that Iraq had? The war was started on a religious pretext.The rebels are Sunni, the majority of the population, later joined by al Qaeda, fighting the minority Alawi, Shiite, Christian and others' government. A reverse echo of the minority Sunnis being deposed by the Shiites in Iraq. The country gains nothing except destruction, both sides being equally unpleasant. It is just a matter of fighting for who has power. Consider who gains if America can be persuaded to attack Assad. 1. The Sunni rebels and al Qaeda 2. Israel, who has long lobbied for America to attack Syria. 3. The military industrial complex, who will make millions. Assad is ruthless and rational. He knows if he uses chemical weapons America would probably attack him. So why would he do that? The reported attack could have been be faked, killed far fewer than claimed, could be a false flag operation, could have been a lower ranked military operation without Assad's knowledge or support. If America attacks Syria it will certainly be killing many who had no hand in the attack and will be immediately condemned by the same people now calling for war. Not to mention it would be against international law without UN approval, that the US can't get.Doesn't America boast of being a nation of laws? Unfortunately President Obama has painted himself into a corner.He assumed Assad would not use poison gas. Now unless he gets cast iron proof Assad wasn't responsible, which he won't, he has to attack or be seen as a bluffer and lose credibility. How many lives is credibility worth? It doesn't matter that only 9% in the US are in favor of attacking Syria. Any attack will probably go wrong as they usually do,Then the bloodhounds will be baying for his blood and the situation in the Middle East will certainly become even more desperate. Also certain is that the villains who started the conflict will get away without punishment.
Re: [Vo]:Syrian gas attacks...
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:37 AM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: Chemical weapon attack in Syria. There are many problems with the stories put out by various governments. To start with, governments can't be trusted without independent verification. Remember the supposed WMD that Iraq had? You are aware of the WMD lie? What are you? Some kind of antiignorist?
Re: [Vo]:Syrian gas attacks...
James Bowery, perhaps I was not clear enough. I said you couldn't trust governments, remember the supposed WMD that Iraq had? Of course I know it was a lie. Further, I was pointing out that it looks like the same thing is being repeated, that the decision to bomb SYria has already been taken with similar lack of proof.
[Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
It's interesting to note that the still unexplained and controversial phenomenon of ball lightning is derided as mass delusion, e.g., -- Is Ball Lightning Just a Shared Hallucination? http://www.universetoday.com/64560/is-ball-lightning-just-a-shared-hallucination/ - despite that probable ball lightning has also deluded video cams, e.g., UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Base http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4FhJ3mjrE Challenging established orthodoxy endangers reputation, career, income, ... This recent (open source) paper -- Interrelation between ball lightning and optically induced forces http://iopscience.iop.org/1402-4896/88/3/035402 -- begins with the observation - The phenomenon of ball lightning (BL) remains unresolved up to the present moment. No satisfactory explanation of enigmatic natural phenomena (observed and examined by scientists for many centuries) has been found up to now. More than 200 different BL theories are known, and their systematization and classification have been carried out. However, neither of them can even approximately explain the enigmatic and intriguing behavior of BLs, which to a certain degree reminds one of the behavior of some highly organized matter. Physicists cannot imagine an object, submitting to conventional physical laws, whose properties coincide with BL properties. This is something perfectly new. It seems that the same laws of social psychology are operating to discourage investigations of BL and LENR. BTW, the following paper -- Tracks of Ball Lightning in Apparatus? J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 2 (2009) 1332 http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEtracksofba.pdf - speculates that micro-BL might explain the topography of pock-marked, streaked, ..., metal surfaces seen in LENR. Any opinions on the reality of ball lightning? -- Lou Pagnucco
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
Decaying dark energy, originating from our Sun, all curled up in a ball in those extra dimensions of space. On Tuesday, August 27, 2013, wrote: It's interesting to note that the still unexplained and controversial phenomenon of ball lightning is derided as mass delusion, e.g., -- Is Ball Lightning Just a Shared Hallucination? http://www.universetoday.com/64560/is-ball-lightning-just-a-shared-hallucination/ - despite that probable ball lightning has also deluded video cams, e.g., UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Base UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Basehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4FhJ3mjrE Challenging established orthodoxy endangers reputation, career, income, ... This recent (open source) paper -- Interrelation between ball lightning and optically induced forces http://iopscience.iop.org/1402-4896/88/3/035402 -- begins with the observation - The phenomenon of ball lightning (BL) remains unresolved up to the present moment. No satisfactory explanation of enigmatic natural phenomena (observed and examined by scientists for many centuries) has been found up to now. More than 200 different BL theories are known, and their systematization and classification have been carried out. However, neither of them can even approximately explain the enigmatic and intriguing behavior of BLs, which to a certain degree reminds one of the behavior of some highly organized matter. Physicists cannot imagine an object, submitting to conventional physical laws, whose properties coincide with BL properties. This is something perfectly new. It seems that the same laws of social psychology are operating to discourage investigations of BL and LENR. BTW, the following paper -- Tracks of Ball Lightning in Apparatus? J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 2 (2009) 13–32 http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEtracksofba.pdf - speculates that micro-BL might explain the topography of pock-marked, streaked, ..., metal surfaces seen in LENR. Any opinions on the reality of ball lightning? -- Lou Pagnucco
Re: [Vo]:Syrian gas attacks...
The thing that should be concerning is that a country as powerful as the US (and spends so insanely much on toys for warfare) ever looks for, makes up, provides chemical weapons as pretexts to get into war (which is hardly new). Seriously if we were to think of this as a person it would be a nut who has a house full of guns etc.. and keeps on looking for a fight, trying to set up situations where he can look like he might be the hero as he guns people down or blows them up. And because he spends more on crap to kill people than everyone else combined. I recommend downloading the Britam Defence, but checking I see that page has been taken down. But this one is up: http://stormcloudsgathering.com/leaked-documents-us-framed-syria-in-chemical-weapons-attack Here is an Amazon link to a portion of the leaked documents: http://www.amazon.com/gp/drive/share?ie=UTF8s=G6_SxjA3RnEpXfvn8WZ8Aw Here is the torrent magnet link with 464mb of leaked data: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:6abe339b23e818f21314ea76341b3dcb92dd8838 On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:17 AM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: James Bowery, perhaps I was not clear enough. I said you couldn't trust governments, remember the supposed WMD that Iraq had? Of course I know it was a lie. Further, I was pointing out that it looks like the same thing is being repeated, that the decision to bomb SYria has already been taken with similar lack of proof.
RE: [Vo]:Syrian gas attacks...
Google "Operation Northwoods". Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:Syrian gas attacks... From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com Date: Wed, August 28, 2013 8:24 am To: vortex-l@eskimo.com The thing that should be concerning is that a country as powerful as the US (and spends so insanely much on toys for warfare) ever looks for, makes up, provides chemical weapons as pretexts to get into war(which is hardly new). Seriously if we were to think of this as a person it would be a nut who has a house full of guns etc.. and keeps on looking for a fight, trying to set up situations where he can look like he might be the hero as he guns people down or blows them up. And because he spends more on crap to kill people than everyone else combined.I recommend downloading the Britam Defence, but checking I see that page has been taken down.But this one is up: http://stormcloudsgathering.com/leaked-documents-us-framed-syria-in-chemical-weapons-attackHere is an Amazon link to a portion of the leaked documents: http://www.amazon.com/gp/drive/share?ie=UTF8s=G6_SxjA3RnEpXfvn8WZ8Aw Here is the torrent magnet link with 464mb of leaked data:magnet:?xt=urn:btih:6abe339b23e818f21314ea76341b3dcb92dd8838 On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:17 AM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: James Bowery, perhaps I was not clear enough. I said you couldn't trust governments, remember the supposed WMD that Iraq had? Of course I know it was a lie. Further, I was pointing out that it looks like the same thing is being repeated, that the decision to bomb SYria has already been taken with similar lack of proof.
[Vo]:Spectral properties of interacting magnetoelectric particles
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0808/0808.1198.pdf *Spectral properties of interacting magnetoelectric particles* The reference describes how the linear magnetoelectric (ME) effect provides a special route for linking magnetic and electric properties. This paper shows that there is a special coupling mechanism between oscillating ME elements as is present in the Ni/H reactor. This concept begins to explain how many small vortex current can add to produce a large global magnetic effect. In a system of many vortex magnetic currents forms through whispering mode energy accumulation, these vortex currents will become coupled and coherent through the sharing of waveform resonance. In the theory of coupled whispering-gallery resonators, the overlap between the resonators is used as a direct modal coupling term. The coherent coupling results in the frequency splitting of the corresponding whispering-gallery modes and is a manifestation of the well-known phenomena of the normal mode splitting in coupled harmonic oscillators. Magnetic energy will spread equally and be shared across the ensemble of coupled and entangled magnetic resonators These vortice currents are guaranteed by the chiral edge states of magnetic-dipolar modes in an unbalanced boundary condition. In short, the reference explains how a system can become electrically and magnetically entangled though a oscillator based method of sharing energy is a highly efficient dark mode.
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
It was twilight, among towering clouds, high over some mid state when I saw a bright signal flare sweep up to about the plane's altitude from clouds below, and fall back. Then a second, from a different location. No lightning. Paths and velocities very projectile-ish, not rockets. But considering the altitude, definitely not signal flares. Unless they were tracer artillery shells. Wildly unlikely, but so -they say!- is ball lightning. As for those links, #3 conveniently ignores all the recorded cases of BL going through walls and windows. #2 has NOTHING to do with the subject, and #1 obviously is a hyper-skeptic jumping through haystacks to find an excuse not to address the facts. Marsh gas, anyone? Say, doesn't our host Bill keep an extensive collection of BL sightings? Ol' Bab On 8/27/2013 2:25 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: It's interesting to note that the still unexplained and controversial phenomenon of ball lightning is derided as mass delusion, e.g., -- Is Ball Lightning Just a Shared Hallucination? http://www.universetoday.com/64560/is-ball-lightning-just-a-shared-hallucination/ - despite that probable ball lightning has also deluded video cams, e.g., UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Base http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4FhJ3mjrE Challenging established orthodoxy endangers reputation, career, income, ... This recent (open source) paper -- Interrelation between ball lightning and optically induced forces http://iopscience.iop.org/1402-4896/88/3/035402 -- begins with the observation - The phenomenon of ball lightning (BL) remains unresolved up to the present moment. No satisfactory explanation of enigmatic natural phenomena (observed and examined by scientists for many centuries) has been found up to now. More than 200 different BL theories are known, and their systematization and classification have been carried out. However, neither of them can even approximately explain the enigmatic and intriguing behavior of BLs, which to a certain degree reminds one of the behavior of some highly organized matter. Physicists cannot imagine an object, submitting to conventional physical laws, whose properties coincide with BL properties. This is something perfectly new. It seems that the same laws of social psychology are operating to discourage investigations of BL and LENR. BTW, the following paper -- Tracks of Ball Lightning in Apparatus? J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 2 (2009) 13–32 http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEtracksofba.pdf - speculates that micro-BL might explain the topography of pock-marked, streaked, ..., metal surfaces seen in LENR. Any opinions on the reality of ball lightning? -- Lou Pagnucco
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
Look up ball lightning (with quotes) in the Google custom search box at LENR-CANR.org and you will see that several people have speculated about this. Especially E. Lewis, as noted: Tracks of Ball Lightning in Apparatus? J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 2 (2009) 13–32 http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEtracksofba.pdf I just added this to the index: Lewis, E., *More Evidence of Microscopic Ball Lightning (Plasmoids) in CF Devices.* J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci., 2012. *7*. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPjcondensedf.pdf#page=13 - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
David L Babcock wrote: It was twilight, among towering clouds, high over some mid state when I saw a bright signal flare sweep up to about the plane's altitude from clouds below, and fall back. Then a second, from a different location. No lightning. Paths and velocities very projectile-ish, not rockets. But considering the altitude, definitely not signal flares. Unless they were tracer artillery shells. Wildly unlikely, but so -they say!- is ball lightning. My posting was prompted by a discussion I had with someone (who I don't think ever heard about BL) who saw a similar event, below cloud level, several days ago. He sounded quite sincere, as well as puzzled. As for those links, #3 conveniently ignores all the recorded cases of BL going through walls and windows. #2 has NOTHING to do with the subject, and #1 obviously is a hyper-skeptic jumping through haystacks to find an excuse not to address the facts. Marsh gas, anyone? I agree with the comment on #1. As far as #2 - it sure looks like a BL-plasmoid with a net charge opposite to the missle. Notice how it tracks and arcs toward the missle. My apologies if it really is a UFO. Mirages and illusions are improbable explanations also. Yes - BL does seem to go through some non-conductive surfaces. I'm not sure the authors of #3 would dispute that. Say, doesn't our host Bill keep an extensive collection of BL sightings? I hope so. Too bad difficult to explain phenomena are quickly dismissed. Ol' Bab On 8/27/2013 2:25 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: It's interesting to note that the still unexplained and controversial phenomenon of ball lightning is derided as mass delusion, e.g., -- Is Ball Lightning Just a Shared Hallucination? http://www.universetoday.com/64560/is-ball-lightning-just-a-shared-hallucination/ - despite that probable ball lightning has also deluded video cams, e.g., UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Base http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4FhJ3mjrE Challenging established orthodoxy endangers reputation, career, income, ... This recent (open source) paper -- Interrelation between ball lightning and optically induced forces http://iopscience.iop.org/1402-4896/88/3/035402 -- begins with the observation - The phenomenon of ball lightning (BL) remains unresolved up to the present moment. No satisfactory explanation of enigmatic natural phenomena (observed and examined by scientists for many centuries) has been found up to now. More than 200 different BL theories are known, and their systematization and classification have been carried out. However, neither of them can even approximately explain the enigmatic and intriguing behavior of BLs, which to a certain degree reminds one of the behavior of some highly organized matter. Physicists cannot imagine an object, submitting to conventional physical laws, whose properties coincide with BL properties. This is something perfectly new. It seems that the same laws of social psychology are operating to discourage investigations of BL and LENR. BTW, the following paper -- Tracks of Ball Lightning in Apparatus? J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 2 (2009) 1332 http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEtracksofba.pdf - speculates that micro-BL might explain the topography of pock-marked, streaked, ..., metal surfaces seen in LENR. Any opinions on the reality of ball lightning? -- Lou Pagnucco
RE: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
Aviation Week had an article about compact toroids they also called photon torpedos apparently they're stable and can be used as directed energy weapons. The device discharges large capacitor banks along a small aluminum tube which creates a stable plasma toroid. Maybe it's gone black. Aviation Week and Space Technology, November 3, 1997, v. 147, p. 29. Includes photos of the apparatus. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US -Original Message- From: David L Babcock [mailto:ol...@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:33 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR It was twilight, among towering clouds, high over some mid state when I saw a bright signal flare sweep up to about the plane's altitude from clouds below, and fall back. Then a second, from a different location. No lightning. Paths and velocities very projectile-ish, not rockets. But considering the altitude, definitely not signal flares. Unless they were tracer artillery shells. Wildly unlikely, but so -they say!- is ball lightning.
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
Thanks. I just downloaded it. I also Googled it (or, should I say NSAed it?) and noticed that it is not referenced. Too bad, it would be nice to know what practitioners think. Jed Rothwell wrote: Look up ball lightning (with quotes) in the Google custom search box at LENR-CANR.org and you will see that several people have speculated about this. Especially E. Lewis, as noted: Tracks of Ball Lightning in Apparatus? J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 2 (2009) 1332 http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEtracksofba.pdf I just added this to the index: Lewis, E., *More Evidence of Microscopic Ball Lightning (Plasmoids) in CF Devices.* J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci., 2012. *7*. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPjcondensedf.pdf#page=13 - Jed
