Re: [Vo]:Re: Norway's Afterposten newspaper article on cold fusion
There is a certain reason LENR has an enormous importance in Norway. Norway has very few natural resources and poor communication due to the terrain. The sea has always been a resource Norway have had to lean toward. After WWll that became difficult as the fishing industry went in to crisis mode and whales become protected. Other nations become strong contenders in shipping No agriculture and no industrial tradition made the Norwegian economy weak. However, in the 60s one found out that Norway was sitting on a pot of the 'black gold' (Nord sea oil). Thus Norway has the best economy among the Nordic countries. LENR can of course be seen as a future disaster for Norwegian wealth. However, Norway is in the energy business and adopt the new technology can make Norway keeping its place in the sun if correctly managed. I am sure this subject has priority and support of people in general much more than here in the US for example. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Frank Acland ecatwo...@gmail.com wrote: To me it suggests that based on the report from Aftenpost the Norwegian Defense Research department have asked for funding from some Research money-granting source for funds to study LENR. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 12:15 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Meanwhile, confidence then rising at Defence Research yesterday went out in Aftenposten and prayed Research retrieve wallet to fund research on LENR. What does this mean in English? Bob Cook *From:* a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net *Sent:* Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:30 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Norway's Afterposten newspaper article on cold fusion Afterposten has posted a second piece that states they have independent confirmation the the ! MW commercial pant is working well. snip Rossi himself is not available for the press, but expresses itself via its website Journal of Nuclear Physics. Where he emphasizes again that no conclusions can be drawn before the test period, which began three or four months ago, is completely over. But Aftenposten receives confirmation from another, independent source that the production unit is a reality and that the secret customer actually buys into steam. This source has heavy scientific background in relevant subjects, has even been present and able to inspect the container. The reason that he does not want to be named, is that it is considered very dangerous for his career to embrace the highly controversial phenomenon of cold fusion. Meanwhile, confidence then rising at Defence Research yesterday went out in Aftenposten and prayed Research retrieve wallet to fund research on LENR. http://www.aftenposten.no/fakta/innsikt/-Produserer-allerede-strom-fra-umulig-kilde-8065631.html -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com
Re: [Vo]:Norway's Afterposten newspaper article on cold fusion
I read the article in Norwegian and yes it means SSM. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 8:27 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Might be SSM, or it might be a short way to say even and odd modes exist. If that is the case he appears to suggest that two groups of reactors are fired in unison, one of these modes at a time. I previously referred to this type of system operation on vortex as consisting of a overall 'oven' type of structure where designated heating ECATs supplied the operating temperature required by several responding ECATs that did not require a heating unit to be built in. The control was handled by the units that were heated. It would not be a long stretch to power the heating devices in an even, odd configuration. Rossi would have to entirely replace his original structure where three smaller devices are contained within each ECAT unit if this is his new plan. The recent discussion of 250 kW devices might refer to an 'oven' system. Anyone that can translate Rossi speak into technical terms would be a valuable addition to our crowd! Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2015 10:04 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Norway's Afterposten newspaper article on cold fusion a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: Thus it is not necessary to energize all the time, and the container can for long periods go in so-called even mode. I think that is what we call self-sustaining mode. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
Hi Lennart I just want to respond to one of your comments. I do not know who make the statement about your job. I assume it is some kind of generic statement and not directed to your performance. I know little about what you did for the state. In many cases the job could just have been done under the umbrella of a private organization. It was not my intention to single myself out, to personally complain that I have been accused of being a drain on the economy. Last December at my retirement gathering my manager, who 12 months earlier had taken me to the woodshed to chastise me over a misunderstanding that he did not first attempt to get a clarification from me before jumping to erroneous conclusions, publicly stated that I my efforts had saved their bacon. I know my worth. Nevertheless, I also knew it was time to get out. I am now happily working full-time on a self-imposed task of my own choosing, what I call the Kepler Project. I'm working on it at my own retirement funded expense. This is something I've wanted to focus on for some time. Regarding privatization, before retiring one of my final government tasks was to help manage high volume scanning of traffic accident and title application forms. Hundreds and thousands of documents came in every day. I do not see how privatizing such operations would be any less of an economic drain on the economy, nor would it be any more efficient. The government still has to contract out and pay money to some private organization, typically the lowest bidder, to perform the tasks. Unfortunately, you end up getting what you pay for. Privatized government work contracted out to the lowest bidder tends to breed the kind of quality work that reflects the fact that it is being performed by underpaid workers with minimal training. It's been my experience that government employees end up having to fix the mistakes for which a lowest bid under-paid privatized worker force missed - and, of course, at added cost to the taxpayer. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Dear Friends, As promised: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/06/lenr-info-for-june-22-2015-evening.html Things happen in LENR. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
I think you are right that it will be some time before we reduce taxes. I will take a step back and say 'no personal taxes'. Yes, we need some government and the best form of taxes is VAT in my opinion. I think we went from talking about how to finance research on this tread. I cannot agree with any of the established party. Ideologically I can hear pieces I like from both sides. However, it is always just talk. Therefore I can see positive in the Scott Walker interview. He takes a stance and he does not back down. I am not making any statement about his persona as I have even less knowledge about him than I have about Trump. I do not know who make the statement about your job. I assume it is some kind of generic statement and not directed to your performance. I know little about what you did for the state. In many cases the job could just have been done under the umbrella of a private organization. I cannot say that being the case with your job but I will assume so for the sake of my argument. Then I think it had been better if the state had let the job be performed by a private entity instead. My reasoning requires a little book but in short. 1. We know that changes are coming and they come faster and faster. 2. We know that large organizations (the government being larger than large) has problem to adopt to new requirements. 3. In a way that makes government (and trade unions) the most conservative organizations there is. 4. You spent 36 years in a job and that was norm a couple of generations ago. Not today we need to change several times during our career because jobs disappear and jobs are changing and new opportunities must be nursed. 5. We also have tremendous capacity to handle information and cooperate. 6. My conclusion (there are more reasons but to keep it short) is that small flexible organizations that can work together with other small organizations one project at a time is far more effective than trying to restructure large overhead inflexible organizations into new short lived projects. I agree that rich organizations or individuals have far more influence on how government is run than they deserve. In addition they have ulterior motives. Trade unions and Donald trump contributes nothing to the political process as I see it. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I agree with no taxes. I wouldn't keep my hopes high on that matter being addressed to your satisfaction. Keep in mind what Benjamin Franklin had to say on the subject: In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/benjaminfr129817.html As a matter of disclosure, and just so you know where I'm coming from: As a democrat (mostly) and a liberal at heart I find myself much more aligned with Mr. Rothwell's recent commentary. On a related matter, as a recently retired Wisconsin state employee having worked for more than 36 years in service of Wisconsin tax payers it concerns me deeply that there seems to have been a carefully crafted relentless campaign funded by very rich and powerful conservative figure heads who for the most part would prefer to obfuscate their actual intentions. Many of these obscure groups seem to be doing their best to imply that my 36 years of services, as well as the services of my colleagues had been, in truth, a drain on the economy. Unfortunately, too many appear have actually bought into such a belief. See what Scott Walker back when he was first running for governor of Wisconsin said he would do as recorded in a private meeting with some of his financial backers, including a billionaire donor in attendance. One has to ask, why did Mr. Walker not reveal to the public what he privately but quite openly revealed to his rich financial backers concerning the matter of what he planned on doing after he got elected. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXPCl-1a9ZM We need a healthy government, one that is accountable to the people, not a government that is in the process of being hijacked by rich and powerful corporations that don't have to follow the same financial campaign rules individuals must abide by. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
Hi Vincent, I certainly tried to say that I am not talking about any particular job. There are always details, which are hard to communicate correct. The person handling a task/job can obviously know such details and for someone looking in from a distance it is always easy to rationalize the big strokes. So in general I really do not have an opinion about what you did for the state. Your assessment of how your latest task could or could not have had any advantage if handled by the state or a private entity is therefore not possible to discuss. You know and I do not. I agree that the lowest bidder idea has flaws - regardless of if used by a private or government organization. I am not asking you but to me a series of questions will appear when I hear about your task. Why was it required to process so much data, why was that not done before, was it worth the cost, was there other ways to achieve the same result, who is interested in paying for the result etc. etc. I am not going to examine your task so please, no answers. Just that those questions and long series of other connected questions need to be understood before finding other solutions- if there even are other solutions. I am glad you have found another project that you do because it is interesting and brings you joy. My experience is that one produce a better more effective result when having such working conditions. However, to connect what this tread was about from the beginning,; you have a freedom created by a guaranteed income, you are accountable (if you succeed in your endeavor you reap the benefit and if not you will have lost the funds and the time you invested. Having said that I think there is another win than the economical and therefore I can imagine that you have no downside. The accomplishment of finding an answer is a reward that often overshadow any economical downside. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Lennart I just want to respond to one of your comments. I do not know who make the statement about your job. I assume it is some kind of generic statement and not directed to your performance. I know little about what you did for the state. In many cases the job could just have been done under the umbrella of a private organization. It was not my intention to single myself out, to personally complain that I have been accused of being a drain on the economy. Last December at my retirement gathering my manager, who 12 months earlier had taken me to the woodshed to chastise me over a misunderstanding that he did not first attempt to get a clarification from me before jumping to erroneous conclusions, publicly stated that I my efforts had saved their bacon. I know my worth. Nevertheless, I also knew it was time to get out. I am now happily working full-time on a self-imposed task of my own choosing, what I call the Kepler Project. I'm working on it at my own retirement funded expense. This is something I've wanted to focus on for some time. Regarding privatization, before retiring one of my final government tasks was to help manage high volume scanning of traffic accident and title application forms. Hundreds and thousands of documents came in every day. I do not see how privatizing such operations would be any less of an economic drain on the economy, nor would it be any more efficient. The government still has to contract out and pay money to some private organization, typically the lowest bidder, to perform the tasks. Unfortunately, you end up getting what you pay for. Privatized government work contracted out to the lowest bidder tends to breed the kind of quality work that reflects the fact that it is being performed by underpaid workers with minimal training. It's been my experience that government employees end up having to fix the mistakes for which a lowest bid under-paid privatized worker force missed - and, of course, at added cost to the taxpayer. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The Cat and mouse control approach is as world changing as Edison’s use of a vacuum in the light bulb. I am sorry to be a pedant, but Edison did not invent that. He invented the high resistance filament allowing bulbs to be used in parallel rather than in series. The vacuum technique was invented 20 years before he began working on incandescent lights. He greatly improved the quality of the vacuum, but I recall that was mainly by using vacuum pumps invented by other people. He got one of the best pumps in the world on loan from U. Connecticut and apparently never returned it. He invented a whole slew of other things relating to bulbs, such as the method of screwing them in, fabrication techniques, improved generators, and power metering. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Why Edison Triumphed: Joseph Swan worked on the incandescent light idea since 1850. Swan did not succeed because he used only a partial vacuum in his bulb. He also used a carbonized paper filament. Edison figured out how to create a pure vacuum in his bulbs. He did this by heating up the bulb at the same time that he pumped out the air. He used a Sprengle pump. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The Cat and mouse control approach is as world changing as Edison’s use of a vacuum in the light bulb. I am sorry to be a pedant, but Edison did not invent that. He invented the high resistance filament allowing bulbs to be used in parallel rather than in series. The vacuum technique was invented 20 years before he began working on incandescent lights. He greatly improved the quality of the vacuum, but I recall that was mainly by using vacuum pumps invented by other people. He got one of the best pumps in the world on loan from U. Connecticut and apparently never returned it. He invented a whole slew of other things relating to bulbs, such as the method of screwing them in, fabrication techniques, improved generators, and power metering. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Edison figured out how to create a pure vacuum in his bulbs. He did this by heating up the bulb at the same time that he pumped out the air. He used a Sprengle pump. As I said, he improved the vacuum and much else, but I do not think that was the main claim in the patent. Granted, the patent language is obscure. It says something about United Santos and marinating the tuna: Bell; known that I, 'IJcm ALVA Enmon, of licnlo Pork in the Stone of New Jersey, United Santos oiAznes-lcm have lnvr-ntoil on 5 Improvement in Electric Lumps, and in the method mnnrnanring the tuna, (Que No. 86,) of which the following in n npccificaalon. http://www.google.com/patents/US223898 I believe the main claim was regarding subdivision as they called it then, which is to say running lights in parallel. - Jed
[Vo]:good news still not confirmed yet
Dear Friends, please read: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/06/early-monday-shock-first-fast-edition.html Hope to come back to you later with better news. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Regarding: “It seems even a malsolution can be converted sometimes in an usable one- with much research, additions, sacrifices (!) and creativity. Plasma triggering seems to be inherently better- and can return.” Rossi deserves great respect for solving the E-Cat control issue. At this juncture, Rossi’s approach to the LENR reaction may be a far better solution to the control of the reaction than does plasma stimulation. Rossi’s approach allows for the reaction to be copied indefinitely over many unpowered sub reactors. The Rossi reaction may be open ended in terms of power production with unlimited COP. Conceptually in terms of productivity, it’s the difference between a hand written copy and a copy machine. The Cat and mouse control approach is as world changing as Edison’s use of a vacuum in the light bulb. It seems that these world changing solutions require a lot of work to give them birth. Knowing what is the best solution is based on results and results are based on the amount of pain pored into the solution. Clearly, Rossi is the King of Pain. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends, As promised: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/06/lenr-info-for-june-22-2015-evening.html Things happen in LENR. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: DESCRIPTION (OCR text may contain errors) Ah! OCR errors. Who'd a thunk it? - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Today, science in America has devolved into a system of feudalism where there is a nobility and a subjugate serfdom. It was that Europian system of thought that the Scots were rebelling against. In so doing, The Scots fled to America for a new birth of fredom. Only in America of those times could the Scots allow their independent and rebellious spirit gaven free rein to the free thinking that led to the birth of all those world changing inventions. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Axil Axil Ø What made America so prolific in the invention of civaliztion changing devices that surpassed anything that Europe was able to produce Mainly, it was being the destination country for the Scottish diaspora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Scots_Invented_the_Modern_World
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Could it be,,,these inventers make obsure key components of their invention to slow down the competision. Tesla was making bulbs too. No, I do not think that Edison left any critical aspects of the invention out of the patent. In those days people went from factory to another easily, taking industrial secrets with them. Edison knew that his production techniques would soon be common knowledge. Indeed, many competitors soon sprang up, and his lawyers were kept busy suing for copyright infringement. The patent has a great deal of detailed information about how to make the bulbs. If the method of achieving a high vacuum had been invented by them, or if they considered it patent-able, I expect they would have included it along with all the other details about tar and platina. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
DESCRIPTION (OCR text may contain errors) On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 9:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Edison figured out how to create a pure vacuum in his bulbs. He did this by heating up the bulb at the same time that he pumped out the air. He used a Sprengle pump. As I said, he improved the vacuum and much else, but I do not think that was the main claim in the patent. Granted, the patent language is obscure. It says something about United Santos and marinating the tuna: Bell; known that I, 'IJcm ALVA Enmon, of licnlo Pork in the Stone of New Jersey, United Santos oiAznes-lcm have lnvr-ntoil on 5 Improvement in Electric Lumps, and in the method mnnrnanring the tuna, (Que No. 86,) of which the following in n npccificaalon. http://www.google.com/patents/US223898 I believe the main claim was regarding subdivision as they called it then, which is to say running lights in parallel. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Ahem. The patent does not actually talk about tuna. Here is a somewhat better copy: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US223898.pdf The patent begins: The object of this invention is to produce electric lamps giving light by incandescence, which lamps shall have high resistance, so as to allow the practical subdivision of the electric light. The next claim is about the carbon wire (filament) which offers great resistance. Then it does go on to talk about putting the burner of great resistance in a nearly perfect vacuum, to prevent oxidation . . . It says the vacuum has to be one-millionth of an atmosphere, and it says he uses a mercury pump, but I do not see anywhere in the patent that he claims a new method of evacuation. I do not see that he tried to patent his method of evacuation, and Edison was careful to patent every new aspect of his inventions. Perhaps I overlooked something. It is hard to read. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Could it be,,,these inventers make obsure key components of their invention to slow down the competision. Tesla was making bulbs too. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Ahem. The patent does not actually talk about tuna. Here is a somewhat better copy: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US223898.pdf The patent begins: The object of this invention is to produce electric lamps giving light by incandescence, which lamps shall have high resistance, so as to allow the practical subdivision of the electric light. The next claim is about the carbon wire (filament) which offers great resistance. Then it does go on to talk about putting the burner of great resistance in a nearly perfect vacuum, to prevent oxidation . . . It says the vacuum has to be one-millionth of an atmosphere, and it says he uses a mercury pump, but I do not see anywhere in the patent that he claims a new method of evacuation. I do not see that he tried to patent his method of evacuation, and Edison was careful to patent every new aspect of his inventions. Perhaps I overlooked something. It is hard to read. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
Jed, What made America so prolific in the invention of civaliztion changing devices that surpassed anything that Europe was able to produce? There must have been something special in American life of that time that has been somehow lost in regard to the current American attitude to the invention of over unity energy devices. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Could it be,,,these inventers make obsure key components of their invention to slow down the competision. Tesla was making bulbs too. No, I do not think that Edison left any critical aspects of the invention out of the patent. In those days people went from factory to another easily, taking industrial secrets with them. Edison knew that his production techniques would soon be common knowledge. Indeed, many competitors soon sprang up, and his lawyers were kept busy suing for copyright infringement. The patent has a great deal of detailed information about how to make the bulbs. If the method of achieving a high vacuum had been invented by them, or if they considered it patent-able, I expect they would have included it along with all the other details about tar and platina. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:LENR INFO, 2nd EDITION FOR JUNE 22, 2015
From: Axil Axil Ø What made America so prolific in the invention of civaliztion changing devices that surpassed anything that Europe was able to produce Mainly, it was being the destination country for the Scottish diaspora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Scots_Invented_the_Modern_World
[Vo]:Re: CMNS: good news still not confirmed yet
No Lugano confirmations after all. Let us hope the news about Rossi's megawatt reactor is not also mistaken. Quoting Peter's blog: Bo Hoistadt wrote: Dear Peter, I sent the message to you yesterday evening. I don’t know from where the information comes that we have confirmed the Lugano results. It must be a misunderstanding. We are working on a test experiment in Uppsala as you know, but no results are available yet. The confirmations of the Lugano results I know of are the two Russians and one Chinese. Maybe these are the ones the article refers to? Best regards Bo
Re: [Vo]:Norway's Afterposten newspaper article on cold fusion
Also encouraging, from the same article. In shipping container will now be many so-called E-Cat units. Andrea Rossi reports that he has designed the system so that the energy generated by an E-Cat can be used to provide energy to other devices in the container. Thus it is not necessary to energize all the time, and the container can for long periods go in so-called even mode. This means that the efficiency is many times higher than three, and that technology therefore will be correspondingly much more commercially viable.
Re: [Vo]:Norway's Afterposten newspaper article on cold fusion
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: Thus it is not necessary to energize all the time, and the container can for long periods go in so-called even mode. I think that is what we call self-sustaining mode. - Jed
