[Vo]:Re: Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

[Bob Cook]

I agree with Jones that various "stable" nuclei could be stimulated to decay 
to a different ground state than their so-called stable state.  Electric 
quadrupole and magnetic dipole resonant stimulation of nuclei with  electric 
or magnetic moments can respond to high intensity radiation  which results 
in a transition to an entirely different nuclear species.   The activation 
of a nuclei in a many bodied coherent system may also catalyze a nuclear 
change within that system , not necessarily the activated nuclei IMHO.


Large magnetic field (B fields) can effectively change the shape and energy 
states of an otherwise stable nucleus.  The changes in the respective 
resonances of the affected nucleus may induce electron capture decay where 
it was not possible without the large B field.  The changing energy states 
in a large coherent system.  It may be argued that this mode of decay does 
not count as a stimulated reaction although commonly referred to as a 
nuclear decay mechanism.


Bob Cook

-Original Message- 
From: Jones Beene

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com


Stimulated "decay" is not a possibility. You can't "stimulate" a reaction

that's isn't going to happen all by itself anyway over a long enough period,
and 64Ni doesn't decay. It's quite stable.

Hi, Robin

No, that's technically not correct on two counts, although nickel in general
is high on the list of presumed stability since it has a magic number of
protons. There is no intrinsic or absolute property of "stability," since it
is purely observational - and as we know, many nickel isotopes do decay,
despite the magic - notably 63Ni which is lighter than 64Ni.

There are many nuclides which are now known to be slightlyradioactive, but
forty years were called stable because they have extremely long half-lives
and were not observed to decay. My old Oxford reference book has a number of
errors, due to recent observation.

Secondly, stimulated decay can be the product of a strong stimulant, so to
speak, such as a cosmic ray neutrino, muon etc. That was the original
context.

Of course any sufficiently strong stimulant can give the identical
appearance of decay, and to quibble about the semantics of whether it is a
reaction or a decay is of no help- since stability is an observed property.

Re: [Vo]:Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

[mixent]

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Thu, 24 Mar 2016 16:38:02 -0700:
Hi Jones,

Perhaps I should have been more explicit. By stimulate I really meant
"catalyze". In short some form of stimulus where no external energy is actually
added, but which speeds up a reaction.

Stimulus as you apparently mean it, i.e. a reaction resulting from the addition
of energy in some form to the nucleus is of course always possible.

Note however that 64Ni has close to maximal binding energy per nucleon, so you
need to add quite a lot to get it to change.

>Original Message-
>From: mix...@bigpond.com 
>
>> Stimulated "decay" is not a possibility. You can't "stimulate" a reaction
>that's isn't going to happen all by itself anyway over a long enough period,
>and 64Ni doesn't decay. It's quite stable. 
>
>Hi, Robin
>
>No, that's technically not correct on two counts, although nickel in general
>is high on the list of presumed stability since it has a magic number of
>protons. There is no intrinsic or absolute property of "stability," since it
>is purely observational - and as we know, many nickel isotopes do decay,
>despite the magic - notably 63Ni which is lighter than 64Ni.  
>
>There are many nuclides which are now known to be slightlyradioactive, but
>forty years were called stable because they have extremely long half-lives
>and were not observed to decay. My old Oxford reference book has a number of
>errors, due to recent observation.
>
>Secondly, stimulated decay can be the product of a strong stimulant, so to
>speak, such as a cosmic ray neutrino, muon etc. That was the original
>context.
>
>Of course any sufficiently strong stimulant can give the identical
>appearance of decay, and to quibble about the semantics of whether it is a
>reaction or a decay is of no help- since stability is an observed property.
>
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

[Jones Beene]

Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com 

> Stimulated "decay" is not a possibility. You can't "stimulate" a reaction
that's isn't going to happen all by itself anyway over a long enough period,
and 64Ni doesn't decay. It's quite stable. 

Hi, Robin

No, that's technically not correct on two counts, although nickel in general
is high on the list of presumed stability since it has a magic number of
protons. There is no intrinsic or absolute property of "stability," since it
is purely observational - and as we know, many nickel isotopes do decay,
despite the magic - notably 63Ni which is lighter than 64Ni.  

There are many nuclides which are now known to be slightlyradioactive, but
forty years were called stable because they have extremely long half-lives
and were not observed to decay. My old Oxford reference book has a number of
errors, due to recent observation.

Secondly, stimulated decay can be the product of a strong stimulant, so to
speak, such as a cosmic ray neutrino, muon etc. That was the original
context.

Of course any sufficiently strong stimulant can give the identical
appearance of decay, and to quibble about the semantics of whether it is a
reaction or a decay is of no help- since stability is an observed property.

Re: [Vo]:Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

[mixent]

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Tue, 22 Mar 2016 15:17:19 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>-Original Message-
>From: H LV
> 
>> The stimulated decay of 64Ni should be accompanied by neutrons and/or 
>> radioactivity. If it decayed directly to 62Ni this would generate detectable 
>> neutrons and other radioactive isotopes.

Stimulated "decay" is not a possibility. You can't "stimulate" a reaction that's
isn't going to happen all by itself anyway over a long enough period, and 64Ni
doesn't decay. It's quite stable. There are no exothermic decay pathways
available.
However that doesn't rule out fusion/fission pathways, as these add energy to
the nucleus during the fusion step (where neutron absorption is also considered
to be "fusion").
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Obtained stable magnetic bound state of locked counter wise spinning of magnets

[H Ucar]

Counterwise rotation in this case is an anomaly from engineering point of view 
where there is no friction and no rigid constraints, altrough vibrations are 
sources of all sort  of weird things hard to model. For example rogue waves has 
been never predicted and still no good model exists. Even it may be a link 
between LENR and rogue wave mechanism.
BTW, I uploaded a video of another realization of this cw spinning experiment 
athttps://youtu.be/-XKbRrea-CA


-- Original message--From: Vibrator !Date: Wed, Mar 23, 2016 23:15To: 
vortex-l@eskimo.com;Cc: Subject:Re: [Vo]:Obtained stable magnetic bound state 
of locked counter wise spinning of magnets
Thanks for the updates and clarifications, i'd inferred incorrectly that the 
samples were only suspended from below and that the reason for posting was 
anomolous levitation... having now watched the series on YT everything's clear. 

If you followed the original whipmag discussions, i concluded that Al was 
cruelly playing OC (OverConfident was the original designer) - there were only 
two possibilities; either a hidden pulse coil or an inadvertent Orbo 
replication.  Neos have near-infinitessimal Sv, so it seems unlikely that the 
relative velocity between rotor and stator was high enough to be affected by 
the response freqs of the magents.  Others (including myself) tested identical 
magnet grades across wider speed ranges without detecting any anomalies.  This 
isn't a conclusive dismissal, but the likelihood that he had a passive temporal 
asymmetry (the only viable means of genuine energy gain) is IMHO almost nil.

Perhaps most tellingly, Al himself always denied OU, in spite of the 
acceleration, instead proffering nonsensical appeals to tribolectric effects, 
and other guff..  it is inarguable that gain occurred, he knows what energy is, 
so the absolute refusal to acknowedge OU can only be construed one way, as far 
as i'm concerned; it was a little chest-beating display to indulge his 
pathoskeptic humour.  OC sadly became terminally ill not long after, so i hope 
Al did the decent thing while he still had time..
  
The "gearwise" and "counter-gearwise" neologisms were about his only redeeming 
contributions, but having established himself as a manipulative cynic i 
wouldn't trust a further word out of his mouth...

But whatever the inspirations, you're obviously doing genuine work and taking 
things forward, with a neat tracking solution too!  I'll have to read up on 
your reasearch when i get time..


On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:29 AM, H Ucar  wrote:
This is true if diametrically polarised magnets are placed side by side as 
gears. Al (of whipmag) termed this config as 'gearwise' and the case of magnets 
spinning in same direction as 'counter gearwise'. He hed obtained cgw with a 
composite magnet assembly apperently self running. I had obtained cgw with two 
diametrically polar. magnets and I recall I reported on vortex. But on this 
floating magnet setup magnets spin axes are nearly aligned so not simply a gear 
like mechanism.
>Vibrator ! Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:08:37 -0700

>(ETA. counterclockwise synch is interesting and also easily replicable, at 
>least in diametrically magnetised rotors, Again though, if this is an axially 
>polarised levitation then this too is anomolous.  Have to say, everything's  
>pointing to diametric polarisation - alternatig fields, so Earnshaw doesn't 
>apply, but the combination of levitation and counter-rotation is still cool.. 
>would make for a neat executive toy..)
Yes, I think it is cool invention too, but more interested to me the 
applicability of this bound state mechanism in particle physics. See my eariler 
submissions in vortex on this subject.

[Vo]:ICCF20 website

[Jed Rothwell]

http://iccf20.net/

Re: [Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

[Jed Rothwell]

Jones Beene  wrote:

Green is a New Zealand promoter of some notoriety who has had run-ins with
> Rossi before.
>

You mean disagreements with Rossi? I wonder if Rossi is now on good terms
with him.

Here is Green's bio:

https://www.ecat.tech/about-roger-green

And here is Rossi's:

https://www.ecat.tech/about-andrea-rossi

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

[Jones Beene]

Green is a New Zealand promoter of some notoriety who has had run-ins with 
Rossi before.

 

Prediction: Green’s website is so inaccurate and inappropriate in the eyes of 
US financial regulators -- completely deceptive as to who is saying what – that 
Industrial Heat will be forced to issue a strongly worded Press Release … soon 
… which disavows any connection of their company to Roger Green, ECat Tech, or 
to the bogus information on this site.

 

The vocal critics of Rossi (especially Gary Wright) have already alerted the 
SEC and other Federal and State regulators to this ongoing situation, and will 
not let crap like this website slide by, which clearly appears designed to 
implicate IH.

 

 

 

From: Jed Rothwell 

 

Jones Beene wrote:

First, the good news. Here it is – in print. 

Too bad it is not coming from someone with the credibility of Tom Darden/IH.

  https://www.ecat.tech/

The site presents a fabulous first impression – especially for those who have 
never heard of Roger Green.

Can someone explain who is who here? Who is Green? If this web site has no 
connection with I. H. where did it come from and why is it selling Rossi 
reactors?

 

- Jed

 

Re: [Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

[Peter Gluck]

See the Sifferkoll map- Green has right for Australia and Africa if I do
not err

peter

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> First, the good news. Here it is – in print.
>>
>> Too bad it is not coming from someone with the credibility of Tom
>> Darden/IH.
>>
>> *https://www.ecat.tech/* 
>>
>> The site presents a fabulous first impression – especially for those who
>> have never heard of Roger Green.
>>
> Can someone explain who is who here? Who is Green? If this web site has no
> connection with I. H. where did it come from and why is it selling Rossi
> reactors?
>
> - Jed
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

[Jed Rothwell]

Jones Beene  wrote:

> First, the good news. Here it is – in print.
>
> Too bad it is not coming from someone with the credibility of Tom
> Darden/IH.
>
> *https://www.ecat.tech/* 
>
> The site presents a fabulous first impression – especially for those who
> have never heard of Roger Green.
>
Can someone explain who is who here? Who is Green? If this web site has no
connection with I. H. where did it come from and why is it selling Rossi
reactors?

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Re: ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

[Jones Beene]

My impression is that Cook and Acland would do anything reasonable to distance 
themselves from Green, but would rather do it behind the scenes and not in 
public.

 

Prediction: Green’s website is so inaccurate and inappropriate in the eyes of 
US financial regulators -- completely deceptive as to who is saying what – that 
Industrial Heat will be forced to issue a strongly worded Press Release … soon 
… which disavows any connection of their company to Roger Green, ECat Tech, or 
to the bogus information on this site.

 

The vocal critics of Rossi (especially Gary Wright) have already alerted the 
SEC and other Federal and State regulators to this ongoing situation, and will 
not let crap like this website slide by, which clearly appears designed to 
implicate IH.

 

From: Bob Cook 

 

The Aussies are a close nit group—Greene, Cook and Acland probably know each 
other well.  They all seem to be friends of Rossi.  They have respectable names 
as well. 

 

-

First, the good news. Here it is – in print. 

Too bad it is not coming from someone with the credibility of Tom Darden/IH.

https://www.ecat.tech/

The site presents a fabulous first impression – especially for those who have 
never heard of Roger Green.

The specs are listed – and basically there is a “guaranteed” COP of 6:1 which 
is 1 megawatt of heat out and an average of 167 kW electrical in. Fabulous even 
if they measure the fuel in “barrows”. 

If this datum were to be true – Roger cannot make them fast enough and the 
world is suddenly a much different place (especially the norther latitudes of 
which he only has Korea as a prime zone).

Let’s give the Rossi’s fan-boys time to gloat in the warm-regards of Roger’s 
premature announcement - before mentioning the bad news.

 

 

[Vo]:nice info, LENR needs fundamental technological research

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/03/mar-24-2016-next-task-in-lenr.html

no other way leads to LENR as major energy source
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:Re: ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

[Bob Cook]

ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger GreenJones--

Most “Cooks” are related.  I think Norman and I have the same distant Uncle,  
Uncle Capt. Jimmie as he was known in the family circles.  All three of us 
were/are fond of Discovery I believe.   

The same goes for the other Cooks that frequent this Vortex blog.

Bob Cook 

From: Bob Cook 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:49 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

Jones--

The Aussies are a close nit group—Greene, Cook and Acland probably know each 
other well.  They all seem to be friends of Rossi.  They have respectable names 
as well. 

From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:01 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: [Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

First, the good news. Here it is – in print. 

Too bad it is not coming from someone with the credibility of Tom Darden/IH.

https://www.ecat.tech/

The site presents a fabulous first impression – especially for those who have 
never heard of Roger Green.

The specs are listed – and basically there is a “guaranteed” COP of 6:1 which 
is 1 megawatt of heat out and an average of 167 kW electrical in. Fabulous even 
if they measure the fuel in “barrows”. 


If this datum were to be true – Roger cannot make them fast enough and the 
world is suddenly a much different place (especially the norther latitudes of 
which he only has Korea as a prime zone).

Let’s give the Rossi’s fan-boys time to gloat in the warm-regards of Roger’s 
premature announcement - before mentioning the bad news.



The bad news I guess is that E-Cat X will be coming out soon and will produce 
electricity directly in increments of about 100 watts called “Quarks” because 
of their small wafer size.  

Bob Cook

Re: [Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

[Bob Cook]

ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger GreenJones--

The Aussies are a close nit group—Greene, Cook and Acland probably know each 
other well.  They all seem to be friends of Rossi.  They have respectable names 
as well. 

From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:01 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: [Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

First, the good news. Here it is – in print. 

Too bad it is not coming from someone with the credibility of Tom Darden/IH.

https://www.ecat.tech/

The site presents a fabulous first impression – especially for those who have 
never heard of Roger Green.

The specs are listed – and basically there is a “guaranteed” COP of 6:1 which 
is 1 megawatt of heat out and an average of 167 kW electrical in. Fabulous even 
if they measure the fuel in “barrows”. 


If this datum were to be true – Roger cannot make them fast enough and the 
world is suddenly a much different place (especially the norther latitudes of 
which he only has Korea as a prime zone).

Let’s give the Rossi’s fan-boys time to gloat in the warm-regards of Roger’s 
premature announcement - before mentioning the bad news.



The bad news I guess is that E-Cat X will be coming out soon and will produce 
electricity directly in increments of about 100 watts called “Quarks” because 
of their small wafer size.  

Bob Cook

[Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

[Jones Beene]

First, the good news. Here it is - in print. 

Too bad it is not coming from someone with the credibility of Tom Darden/IH.

https://www.ecat.tech/

The site presents a fabulous first impression - especially for those who
have never heard of Roger Green.

The specs are listed - and basically there is a "guaranteed" COP of 6:1
which is 1 megawatt of heat out and an average of 167 kW electrical in.
Fabulous even if they measure the fuel in "barrows". 

If this datum were to be true - Roger cannot make them fast enough and the
world is suddenly a much different place (especially the norther latitudes
of which he only has Korea as a prime zone).

Let's give the Rossi's fan-boys time to gloat in the warm-regards of Roger's
premature announcement - before mentioning the bad news.

Re: [Vo]:British Aero- Project GREENGLOW- Gravity Control..BBC March 23,2016

[Robert Dorr]

A very well done program, regarding the search for anti-gravity, as are 
most if not all of the BBC's Horizon series.


Robert Dorr
WA7ZQR



On 3/24/2016 6:10 AM, Ron Kita wrote:

Greetings Vortex-L,
Nick Cook of Janes Defence Weekly covered Project GreenGlow for years. 
Here is an update by the BBC. Rob Chambers of BAE a friend of mine was 
born in his ancestral town of Chambers-burg, PA and one of the PGG 
members: 
http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/03/23/story-on-gravity-control-emdrive-on-bbc-2-today-2016-03-23-8-pm-utc/


Ad astra,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
Doylestown, PA120 miles East of Chambersburg/

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[Vo]:British Aero- Project GREENGLOW- Gravity Control..BBC March 23,2016

[Ron Kita]

Greetings Vortex-L,
Nick Cook of Janes Defence Weekly covered Project GreenGlow for years. Here
is an update by the BBC. Rob Chambers of BAE a friend of mine was born in
his ancestral town of Chambers-burg, PA and one of the PGG members:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/03/23/story-on-gravity-control-emdrive-on-bbc-2-today-2016-03-23-8-pm-utc/

Ad astra,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
Doylestown, PA120 miles East of Chambersburg/