Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

[Jones Beene]

Eric,

Converting anything into iron would be endothermic, and there is an 
electric arc to supply power, but hardly enough for transmutation ... of 
even a few ounces.


What they may overlooked is a monoclinic iron carbide which is 40% 
carbon ... and which is a good and even an expected candidate for the 
so-called "excess"... since they do not specify how much of the carbon 
electrode has been lost.



Eric Walker wrote:

Jones Beene wrote:

"The daily input of Si and Fe was 20.479 tons at his smelting
plant, and the output was 24.75 tons. There was a daily excess of
4.27 tons of iron and silica."


A process that would produce 4 tons of iron from another element in 
one day would probably imply the release (or consumption) of an 
astounding amount of energy.  When a nuclear bomb explodes, only a 
relatively small amount of the fissile material is converted to other 
elements.


Eric

Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

[Eric Walker]

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

"The daily input of Si and Fe was 20.479 tons at his smelting plant, and
> the output was 24.75 tons. There was a daily excess of 4.27 tons of iron
> and silica."


A process that would produce 4 tons of iron from another element in one day
would probably imply the release (or consumption) of an astounding amount
of energy.  When a nuclear bomb explodes, only a relatively small amount of
the fissile material is converted to other elements.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Axil Axil]

The Manelas billet alternated between magnetic and non magnetic behavior,
thus producing a current produced by changing magnetic flux.

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Brian Ahern  wrote:
>
> More needs tobe said but there is some new physics at work in the Manelas
>> billet.
>
>
> Just because it's fun to call things ahead of time, I will venture that
> the Manelas device induced some kind of beta decay/electron capture in the
> billet which was responsible for the continuous voltage without much in the
> way of heat.
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Eric Walker]

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Brian Ahern  wrote:

More needs tobe said but there is some new physics at work in the Manelas
> billet.


Just because it's fun to call things ahead of time, I will venture that the
Manelas device induced some kind of beta decay/electron capture in the
billet which was responsible for the continuous voltage without much in the
way of heat.

Eric

[Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

[Jones Beene]

From IE issue 131, now available online.

Good info on ICCF in this issue - most of which will be brought up in 
later posts on dense hydrogen and iron catalyst.


A star of this issue, hidden in plain view, could be plain old IRON - 
the metal.


Iron is a Mills catalyst and notably a part of the catalyst (Shell 105) 
used by Holmlid. Iron could be as active as nickel for making dense 
hydrogen and could explain several cosmological oddities when it 
converts hydrogen into the densest form.


Swartz and Nagel report two perspectives. But fist, as reported by 
George Egely (of dusty plasma fame) - here is a sleeper from C.R. 
Narayanaswamy of India, who was not there - and who is not a cold fusion 
researcher, but who claims to have stumbled onto an industrial-scale 
level transmutation of iron and other elements in an electric arc, 
according to the report.


This is easy to overlook, given the circumstances and potential lack of 
credibility (third hand) but here are the details. CRN is the manager of 
a smelting plant in Southern India. The plant uses electric carbon arc 
technology to melt iron. It is easy to measure the input of carbon, iron 
and Si, as well as the output. We are talking tons here, not milligrams.


"The daily input of Si and Fe was 20.479 tons at his smelting
plant, and the output was 24.75 tons. *There was a daily**
**excess of 4.27 tons of iron and silica."*

"The massive amount of 4.27 tons/day of transmutations ought to raise 
the curiosity of all cold fusion researchers. The family of fusion 
reactions are known as Oshawa reactions."


Egely has been promoting this kind of controversial transmutation for 
some time. He wants us to believe that carbon can be transmuted into 
iron. But details are absent which probably indicate other explanations.


It is hard to say much about the anecdote from India, other than "why 
isn't it more thoroughly investigated" -- but it is pretty clear from 
Egely's own dust plasma experiment, which he is still promoting, that he 
intentionally overlooks the well-know conversion of carbon into a 
magnetic version of carbon - not into iron.


Why chose "transmutation" for which there is zero real proof, when a 
simpler answer is known and being investigated ?


Were it not for that this overlooked detail in Egely's own work, the 
report from India would have a bit more credence, and one hopes that it 
will be further investigated. But the more obvious situation is that 
4.27 ton "excess" comes from a cheaply made carbon electrode, consumed 
in the process... and the report fails to mention various carbides and 
other relevant details of the output.


So this sleeper report is "out there" along with many other oddities 
from India ... but not anything to take seriously, as of now. There are 
also a number of suspicious papers from Universities in India on 
water-splitting using one 6% of the normal power but let's not confuse 
and multiply errors.

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Flight 370 hunt yields "incredible trove" of scientific data

[Jed Rothwell]

The search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 failed. The airplane was not
found. The search cost about $200 million. You might think that money was
wasted but fortunately, a lot of good came out it. The data is an
"incredible trove" of scientific information on the deep ocean. That alone
is probably worth $200 million.

We know much less about the 70% of earth that is covered by oceans than we
know about the Moon and Mars. Because it is difficult to map.

See:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/science/mh370-malaysia-airlines-indian-ocean-seafloor-maps.html

Lede:

"Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 vanished with 239 passengers and crew aboard
as it crossed the Indian Ocean, triggering a large-scale search for its
remains that lasted nearly three years. As a byproduct of the tragedy,
scientists have gained access to more than 100,000 square miles of seafloor
mapped at a level of detail that provides a rare look at the ocean’s
geological processes. . . ."

https://eos.org/project-updates/geological-insights-from-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-search

- Jed

[Vo]:LENR IMMUNITY FROM REALISM, FACTS...

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/03/mar-11-2017-lenr-immunity-from-realism.html

peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Non polar magnetic repulsion

[Jones Beene]

This is amazing news. I know several people who have seen Yildiz motor 
run for short periods, but not for days at a time. He was always 
readjusting things.


If he is truly in production, the he must have solved some of the 
control issues so that it can run for days instead of hours. I suspect 
that it needs constant readjustment - which may not be a problem for 
some situations but would limit the market.


I hope you are on the waiting list - since if nothing else, one could 
imagine a computerized control system to do the readjustments.



H Ucar wrote:
 More than year ago I was on a big invention exhibition at istanbul 
where I meet M. Yildiz and watched his motor running for two hours. 
There is no doubt about it. In their recent announcement they said 
they are in production and they would not accepts new orders until 
2018, July. A problem with such a high power motor is fixing the 
magnets (not the demagnetization). Due to impulsive forces magnet can 
melt plastic housings, Al is better but even a numbers of fixing 
screws may not suffice for long periods.




Jones Beene wrote:


 H Ucar wrote:

Here is the video of the experiment
https://youtu.be/ZofshixkMg4 , which I first observed the
non-polar repulsion and gave the sign of possibility of
levtation / bound state.


It is no wonder from watching phenomena like this, that the idea
of a self-powering magnetic motor is one which will probably never
die. Many have come close and are still trying - but the issue of
demagnetization is always there.

Here is another effort that is very alluring and advanced in its
implementation, but alas, may not be the answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWggsnpEk_s=1

Re: [Vo]:Non polar magnetic repulsion

[H Ucar]

On the other videos I recall, angular phase of the magnets are fixed to the
axial displacement through the gearbox.

It is too bad that inventors locks them selves into patents and monetary
deals. More than year ago I was on a big invention exhibition at istanbul
where I meet M. Yildiz and watched his motor running for two hours. There
is no doubt about it. In their recent announcement they said they are in
production and they would not accepts new orders until 2018, July. A
problem with such a high power motor is fixing the magnets (not the
demagnetization). Due to impulsive forces magnet can melt plastic housings,
Al is better but even a numbers of fixing screws may not suffice for long
periods.



On Mar 10, 2017 20:24, "Jones Beene"  wrote:


 H Ucar wrote:

> Here is the video of the experiment https://youtu.be/ZofshixkMg4 , which
> I first observed the non-polar repulsion and gave the sign of possibility
> of levtation / bound state.
>

It is no wonder from watching phenomena like this, that the idea of a
self-powering magnetic motor is one which will probably never die. Many
have come close and are still trying - but the issue of demagnetization is
always there.

Here is another effort that is very alluring and advanced in its
implementation, but alas, may not be the answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWggsnpEk_s=1