[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Lunar eclipse in Atlanta tonight

[Jed Rothwell]

9:36 pm Sun, Jan 20
Penumbral Eclipse begins
10:33 pm Sun, Jan 20
Partial Eclipse begins
12:12 am Mon, Jan 21
Maximum Eclipse

[Vo]:What is Pataphysics?

[H LV]

Pataphysics is a concept first espoused by the artist Alfred Jarry around
1900.
It has many definitions, including the science of imaginary solutions and
the laws governing exceptions, the science of the particular, pataphysics
is to metaphysics as metaphysics is to physics, pataphysics includes
metaphysics and physics but also goes beyond both, it is the science of the
useless, it is a serious science but at the same time does not take itself
too seriously.

Watch
https://vimeo.com/192862966

RE: [Vo]:Robert Godes podcdid not catch the signifast

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Most folks consider heat a form of energy –kinetic energy of the particles 
making up matter.

However, it (heat) may not be a primary result of the reaction happening in a 
reactor.

For example, the new energy from a reactor may start out as light (EM energy) 
before interacting with matter around the site of the reaction to cause heat.

Bob Cook
From: H LV
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 11:35 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Robert Godes podcdid not catch the signifast

If the goal is the conversion of energy into heat rather than the production of 
energy (0U), how efficient is this method compared to other methods? I mean if 
LENR or CF proves to be impractical as a primary source of energy then perhaps 
it's true value is in the production of heat. Harry

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 1:03 AM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jones—

I agree with you.  I did not catch the meaning of the “wall” in your discussion 
 with Jack.  I agree that it should be easy to measure electrical AC energy 
consumed by  the pulse generator.

I was focusing on the question of energy into the reactor introduced by the 
pulse  for comparison with  energy out, over and above that coming out.

I also find it hard to believe that the folks funding the testing did not 
understand the losses of energy  in the pulse generator, which were not 
contributing to stimulation of the reactor   to release potential energy 
whatever that source might be.

Bob Cook




From: Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 3:48:58 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Robert Godes podcast

bobcook wrote:

> You say it is easy to measure pulsed power at the wall of the Godes reactor 
> and suggest the measurements were accomplished, but covered up... You should 
> suggest a method to do this “easy” measurement.

Bob,

Apparently my main underlying assumption - which is apparently reversed from 
yours - is that the energy expended to create the special pulses MUST BE 
included as part of the input - even if it is much higher than what is actually 
contained in the pulses when they appear at the reactor. There is no free lunch 
obtainable from comparing low grade power (heat) to extremely high grade power 
(pulsed charges).

For instance if pulse creation expends 50% more energy than grid AC - but is 
absolutely required for success, then one cannot logically ignore the loss and 
claim OU when much or all of the gain is required to make the pulses initially. 
IOW - one cannot assert that the net energy of producing a complex waveform 
should not also include all of the losses.

High grade power is special - very special, and the losses have to included to 
calculate net gain.

Thereforw to answer your question specifically, anyone can buy a simple AC 
wattmeter from Amazon for 20 bucks to do the job of ascertaining real input 
power from the grid. It is beyond belief to suggest that this was not done.

Re: [Vo]:Robert Godes podcast

[Terry Blanton]

Hmmm.

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 3:33 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> A clamp meter does KVA - and power factor correction (but not spell
> checking :-)
>
>
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/presion-Intelligent-Digital-correction-multimeter/dp/B073TVGCMQ/
>
> $199.00
> High presion 3 phase Intelligent TRMS Digital clamp Meter power factor c...
>
> High presion 3 phase Intelligent TRMS Digital clamp Meter power factor
> correction multimeter for V/A/W/VA/kVA/KV...
>
> 
>
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
>
> Therefore to answer your question specifically, anyone can buy a simple AC
> wattmeter from Amazon...
>
>
> Most of those puppies measure KW and not KVA.
>

Re: [Vo]:Robert Godes podcast

[Jones Beene]

 A clamp meter does KVA - and power factor correction (but not spell checking 
:-)
 
  
https://www.amazon.com/presion-Intelligent-Digital-correction-multimeter/dp/B073TVGCMQ/

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Terry Blanton wrote:  

Therefore to answer your question specifically, anyone can buy a simple AC 
wattmeter from Amazon...


Most of those puppies measure KW and not KVA.   

Re: [Vo]:Robert Godes podcast

[Terry Blanton]

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 6:59 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

>
> Thereforw to answer your question specifically, anyone can buy a simple AC
> wattmeter from Amazon for 20 bucks to do the job of ascertaining real input
> power from the grid. It is beyond belief to suggest that this was not done.
>

Most of those puppies measure KW and not KVA.

[Vo]:Re: Brian - Is this article in the current issue of Science releveaant? (A redox road to recovery)

[Brian Ahern]

Perovskites are a great new material system, Nothing surprises me.


From: Lee Hively 
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 7:50 AM
To: 'Brian Ahern'
Subject: Brian - Is this article in the current issue of Science releveaant? (A 
redox road to recovery)


http://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6424/twis

Re: [Vo]:Robert Godes podcdid not catch the signifast

[H LV]

I suppose an appropriate comparison would be with resistive heating from
electricity.

Crude oil can serve as a primary source of energy because more energy can
be gained from burning it then is required to extract it.
(I think in oil's heyday 1 barrel of oil was required to get 10 barrels of
oil)
Harry

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:05 PM David L. Babcock  wrote:

> I hope that was snark... Not much could beat a match.
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 1:35 PM H LV  wrote:
>
>> If the goal is the conversion of energy into heat rather than the
>> production of energy (0U), how efficient is this method compared to other
>> methods? I mean if LENR or CF proves to be impractical as a primary source
>> of energy then perhaps it's true value is in the production of heat. Harry
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 1:03 AM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
>> bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Jones—
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with you.  I did not catch the meaning of the “wall” in your
>>> discussion  with Jack.  I agree that it should be easy to measure
>>> electrical AC energy consumed by  the pulse generator.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was focusing on the question of energy into the reactor introduced by
>>> the pulse  for comparison with  energy out, over and above that coming
>>> out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I also find it hard to believe that the folks funding the testing did
>>> not understand the losses of energy  in the pulse generator, which were not
>>> contributing to stimulation of the reactor   to release potential energy
>>> whatever that source might be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Cook
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Jones Beene 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 18, 2019 3:48:58 PM
>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Robert Godes podcast
>>>
>>> bobcook wrote:
>>>
>>> > You say it is easy to measure pulsed power at the wall of the Godes
>>> reactor and suggest the measurements were accomplished, but covered up...
>>> You should suggest a method to do this “easy” measurement.
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> Apparently my main underlying assumption - which is apparently reversed
>>> from yours - is that the energy expended to create the special pulses MUST
>>> BE included as part of the input - even if it is much higher than what is
>>> actually contained in the pulses when they appear at the reactor. There is
>>> no free lunch obtainable from comparing low grade power (heat) to extremely
>>> high grade power (pulsed charges).
>>>
>>> For instance if pulse creation expends 50% more energy than grid AC -
>>> but is absolutely required for success, then one cannot logically ignore
>>> the loss and claim OU when much or all of the gain is required to make the
>>> pulses initially. IOW - one cannot assert that the net energy of producing
>>> a complex waveform should not also include all of the losses.
>>>
>>> High grade power is special - very special, and the losses have to
>>> included to calculate net gain.
>>>
>>> Thereforw to answer your question specifically, anyone can buy a simple
>>> AC wattmeter from Amazon for 20 bucks to do the job of ascertaining real
>>> input power from the grid. It is beyond belief to suggest that this was not
>>> done.
>>>
>>>
>>>