RE: [Vo]:X17, UDH and a fifth force (or dark matter)

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

The 5th force is merely  magnetic dipole interactions IMHO. I tend to agree 
with Jurg with respect to the He excited states and their energy levels being 
hard to calculate with four relatively stable  Fermi particles interacting in 
an unstable configuration during an excited state.

The magnetic dipole  interactions result from the many  electrons, positrons 
and neutrinos comprising the He-4 isotope as per P. Hatt’s isotopic model, as 
validated by inelastic electron scattering experiments described by W Stubbs in 
his recent book regarding nuclear structure.

Bob Cook
From: Jones Beene
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 6:56 AM
To: vortex
Subject: [Vo]:X17, UDH and a fifth force (or dark matter)

As fate would have it, the identity of a "fifth force" of nature is becoming 
closely tied to LENR and the findings of Holmlid about proton annihilation.
Five years ago in Hungary, Attila Krasznahorkay at the Hungarian Inst.for 
Nuclear Research presented evidence for a previously undescribed light boson 
(17 MeV) - which is about 34 times heavier than the electron. This particle is 
similar to what Holmlid suggests are muons. Muons are 200 times heavier but 
there is some doubt about what Holmlid has found and it could be that there is 
a connection between the two.

Here is the announcement which it should be noted was not subject to peer 
review.

https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-claim-a-they-ve-found-even-more-evidence-of-a-new-force-of-nature

In short, the prior X17 finding was updated in a new context and is still being 
promoted as a related fifth force. BTW - Wiki now has an entry on the X17 
particle.

In the new work, the proposed (fifth) force (or particle) may better explain a 
known muon anomaly and also provide a dark matter candidate, so it seems that 
several disparate phenomena are being merged into a single line of research. 
Krasznahorkay has now observed the anomaly in helium atoms similar to what had 
been observed in beryllium-8, strengthening the case for the X17 particle's 
existence - and also stronger but not mentioned is a further cross-connection 
to cold fusion since Be-8 has for 25 years or more been proposed as the 
reaction pathway way to expalin the absence of a strong gamma in the P-F effect.

The implications of the possible merger of the X17 particle and a fifth force 
and ultra dense hydrogen and dark matter into a single phenomenon would be 
astounding. It would answer so many questions, previously written off as 
"pathological science" that it is easy to get excited about this additional 
finding.

Re: [Vo]:Breakthrough of the century

[Terry Blanton]

Is there an echo in here?  Alexa?

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 11:36 AM Boom  wrote:
>
> November 23, 2019 at 9:43 PM
>
> Dear Readers of the JoNP:
> We did it.
> Obtained permanent self sustaining mode with production of strong excess of 
> electricity, generating more excess of electricity than of heat.
> It is a revolution.
> We did not violate unity, we just discovered an energy that had not been 
> exploited before.
> I am very tired.
> Independent parties tests will follow, eventually we will make a presentation.
> I think we made something that will make a revolution.
> My team colleagues are saying to me ” Andrea, stay calm, be humble”. They are 
> right. Now I am tired, must reorganize the ideas. The work in these last 2 
> weeks has been very hard, but we did it. This morning, late, we got more 
> electric energy that the electric energy necessary to make the Cat work. The 
> increase is strong.
> Too big to be true, but it is true.
> If you are reading this message, means I am not dreaming: our Readers are 
> independent parties that can convince me I am not sleeping and I am really 
> writing this.
> The merit is of my fantastic Team, without them this could not have been done.
> Warm Regards,
> A.R.
>
>
> --
> Daniel Rocha - RJ
> danieldi...@gmail.com

[Vo]:Breakthrough of the century

[Boom]

November 23, 2019 at 9:43 PM


Dear Readers of the JoNP:
We did it.
Obtained permanent self sustaining mode with production of strong excess of
electricity, generating more excess of electricity than of heat.
It is a revolution.
We did not violate unity, we just discovered an energy that had not been
exploited before.
I am very tired.
Independent parties tests will follow, eventually we will make a
presentation.
I think we made something that will make a revolution.
My team colleagues are saying to me ” Andrea, stay calm, be humble”. They
are right. Now I am tired, must reorganize the ideas. The work in these
last 2 weeks has been very hard, but we did it. This morning, late, we got
more electric energy that the electric energy necessary to make the Cat
work. The increase is strong.
Too big to be true, but it is true.
If you are reading this message, means I am not dreaming: our Readers are
independent parties that can convince me I am not sleeping and I am really
writing this.
The merit is of my fantastic Team, without them this could not have been
done.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:X17, UDH and a fifth force (or dark matter)

[Terry Blanton]

Amazing announcements from all over:

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892=464#comment-1417348

S(k)eptical.

Terry

Re: [Vo]:X17, UDH and a fifth force (or dark matter)

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Jones:

Almost all 4-He excitation states can be exactly explained (=calculated) 
by the SO(4) orbit structure. This was one of the first things I did to 
check the model.
The problem with SM logic is the argumentation terminology = Boson = 
particle. Bosons are virtual states that act particle like because SM 
has no understanding how to add the second dimension for the magnetic 
coupling.


The similarities we have with LENR like reactions (Holmlid) is that in 
both cases we see multi particle ( at least 3 protons involved) 
interactions what leads to asymmetric orbit splitting. The 20210keV 4-He 
state is an asymmetric (13:11)split of the 3D/4D flux waves after one 
(of the 24) "bond" has been cracked.


May be after we cracked LENR I will do again some more deep work on 
particles.


J.W.

Am 26.11.19 um 15:55 schrieb Jones Beene:
As fate would have it, the identity of a "fifth force" of nature is 
becoming closely tied to LENR and the findings of Holmlid about proton 
annihilation.
Five years ago in Hungary, Attila Krasznahorkay at the Hungarian 
Inst.for Nuclear Research presented evidence for a previously 
undescribed light boson (17 MeV) - which is about 34 times heavier 
than the electron. This particle is similar to what Holmlid suggests 
are muons. Muons are 200 times heavier but there is some doubt about 
what Holmlid has found and it could be that there is a connection 
between the two.


Here is the announcement which it should be noted was not subject to 
peer review.


https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-claim-a-they-ve-found-even-more-evidence-of-a-new-force-of-nature

In short, the prior X17 finding was updated in a new context and is 
still being promoted as a related fifth force.BTW - Wiki now has an 
entry on the X17 particle.


In the new work, the proposed (fifth) force (or particle) may better 
explain a known muon anomaly and also provide a dark matter candidate, 
so it seems that several disparate phenomena are being merged into a 
single line of research. Krasznahorkay has now observed the anomaly in 
helium atoms similar to what had been observed in beryllium-8, 
strengthening the case for the X17 particle's existence - and also 
stronger but not mentioned is a further cross-connection to cold 
fusion since Be-8 has for 25 years or more been proposed as the 
reaction pathway way to expalin the absence of a strong gamma in the 
P-F effect.


The implications of the possible merger of the X17 particle and a 
fifth force and ultra dense hydrogen and dark matter into a single 
phenomenon would be astounding. It would answer so many questions, 
previously written off as "pathological science" that it is easy to 
get excited about this additional finding.






--
Jürg Wyttenbach
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8910 Affoltern a.A.
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[Vo]:X17, UDH and a fifth force (or dark matter)

[Jones Beene]

As fate would have it, the identity of a "fifth force" of nature is becoming 
closely tied to LENR and the findings of Holmlid about proton annihilation. 


Five years ago in Hungary, Attila Krasznahorkay at the Hungarian Inst.for 
Nuclear Research presented evidence for a previously undescribed light boson 
(17 MeV) - which is about 34 times heavier than the electron. This particle is 
similar to what Holmlid suggests are muons. Muons are 200 times heavier but 
there is some doubt about what Holmlid has found and it could be that there is 
a connection between the two.

Here is the announcement which it should be noted was not subject to peer 
review.

https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-claim-a-they-ve-found-even-more-evidence-of-a-new-force-of-nature
In short, the prior X17 finding was updated in a new context and is still being 
promoted as a related fifth force. BTW - Wiki now has an entry on the X17 
particle.

In thenew work, the proposed (fifth) force (or particle) may better explain a 
known muon anomaly and also provide a dark matter candidate, so it seems that 
several disparate phenomena are being merged into a single line of research. 
Krasznahorkay has nowobserved the anomaly in helium atoms similar to what had 
been observed in beryllium-8, strengthening the case for the X17 
particle'sexistence - and also stronger but not mentioned is a further 
cross-connection to cold fusion since Be-8 has for 25 years or more been 
proposed as the reaction pathway way to expalin the absence of a strong gamma 
in the P-F effect.

The implications of the possible merger of the X17 particle and a fifth force 
and ultra dense hydrogen and dark matter into a single phenomenon would be 
astounding. It would answer so many questions, previously written off as 
"pathological science" that it is easy to get excited about this additional 
finding.