Re: [Vo]:OT: steam locomotive

2022-01-04 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
A diesel with double turbo loader is above 50% efficiency. You will 
never get there with a sterling motor in a reasonable temperature range. 
Key is to extract all kinetic energy in a gas explosion what cannot be 
done with a sterling motor. But you can run a sterling motor even with 
burning aluminum.


But if you stay in a jam your COP goes to minus infinite...With all 
motors except electric that can just switch off.


Starters for normal motors waste a lot of gasoline, so it is not 
recommended to switch off for short (<15 seconds) stays except with 
tuned electronics.



J.W.

On 04.01.2022 15:37, Jones Beene wrote:
The most interesting new - but actually old - engine development (esp. 
for those who think LENR has a future in transportation) is the 
re-emergence of the Stilrling design. This engine design and the 
Brayton cycle, in general, never made the grade for commercialization 
- before now, at least.


Change is in the air... so to speak. Unfortunately China, once again, 
is making large engineering gains while we seem to be playing catchup.


https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202112/1243157.shtml

Quote: "the basic prototype of China's first large-bore Stirling 
engine successfully conducted the recent performance test... at a 
rated power of 320 kilowatts with a power conversion efficiency of 40 
percent, making it the most powerful Stirling engine known around the 
globe."


There are few if any diesels which can return 40% efficiency but China 
got there on the first prototype,


The reason that the piston-Sterling could potentially augment LENR is 
not well appreciated either. Basically it is because the Brayton cycle 
is inherently *closed-cycle*. The Stirling can be either piston or 
turbine based, but the piston config is what LENR can possibly 
optimize with few changes.


IOW the closed-cycle is one way to expose a metal catalyst to a flow 
of hydrogen without combustion of the hydrogen itself.


Thus, if the working gas contains even a small percentage of  hydrogen 
and the piston crown is coated with nickel/palladium alloy, then extra 
heat could potentially be extracted - on top of the external heat of 
combustion which occurs else where in the design, The LENR would be a 
booster, so to speak,


Will China be the first to realize this ? They did after all, report 
on replicating Arata and that was a decade ago.



Jed Rothwell  wrote:

H LV  wrote:

We don't really know how steam engines would have evolved because
they were out-competed by diesel engines.


As I recall, the last attempts to compete with Diesel engines was with 
steam turbines. This source says the Union Pacific actually made two 
steam turbine locomotives, and tested them, in 1939 and 1962.




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Re: [Vo]:OT: steam locomotive

2022-01-04 Thread Jones Beene
The most interesting new - but actually old - engine development (esp. for 
those who think LENR has a future in transportation) is the re-emergence of the 
Stilrling design. This engine design and the Brayton cycle, in general, never 
made the grade for commercialization - before now, at least. 

Change is in the air... so to speak. Unfortunately China, once again, is making 
large engineering gains while we seem to be playing catchup.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202112/1243157.shtml
Quote:  "the basic prototype of China's first large-bore Stirling engine 
successfully conducted the recent performance test... at a rated power of 320 
kilowatts with a power conversion efficiency of 40 percent, making it the most 
powerful Stirling engine known around the globe." 

There are few if any diesels which can return 40% efficiency but China got 
there on the first prototype,

The reason that the piston-Sterling could potentially augment LENR is not well 
appreciated either. Basically it is because the Brayton cycle is inherently 
closed-cycle. The Stirling can be either piston or turbine based, but the 
piston config is what LENR can possibly optimize with few changes.

IOW the closed-cycle is one way to expose a metal catalyst to a flow of 
hydrogen without combustion of the hydrogen itself. 

Thus, if the working gas contains even a small percentage of  hydrogen and the 
piston crown is coated with nickel/palladium alloy, then extra heat could 
potentially be extracted - on top of the external heat of combustion which 
occurs else where in the design, The LENR would be a booster, so to speak,

Will China be the first to realize this ? They did after all, report on 
replicating Arata and that was a decade ago.


Jed Rothwell  wrote:  
 H LV  wrote:


We don't really know how steam engines would have evolved because they were 
out-competed by diesel engines.


As I recall, the last attempts to compete with Diesel engines was with steam 
turbines. This source says the Union Pacific actually made two steam turbine 
locomotives, and tested them, in 1939 and 1962.