Re: [Vo]:Reversing global warming and removing carbon from the atmosphere with cold fusion

[Andrew Meulenberg]

 Dear Jed,

Among the advantages of my system is the ability to provide a low-cost (yet
ecologically sound

and man-rated) mass-transfer system as a low-earth-orbit "waystation" that
can then provide

massive boosts to interplanetary transportation (e.g. to L1). The ability
to transfer people from

earth to space (and back), as well as to support a "tunable" sunshade,
would make it a

permanent fixture. In addition to reducing global warming (and preventing
methane release),

the shade rings would greatly reduce the global energy needs (details in
the papers). Nevertheless,

I agree with you that man's continuing thirst for energy must be ultimately
satisfied by technological

advances (e.g. CF). On the other hand, with uncontrolled population growth,
even CF-derived

electrical-energy production will have excessive waste-heat production. It
might ultimately be

necessary to move (even CF) electrical-energy production off-earth. But,
perhaps by that time,

population control and moving people and much industry off-planet will have
solved that problem.


Andrew

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On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 8:53 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> That is great stuff! Thanks. Your proposal is low earth orbit. I have
> heard of others like this. The one linked to at BBC.com is for a very
> distant space umbrella, at earth-sun L1. I don't understand how that would
> work. It seems harder to set up. But the technical details and astronomy
> are over my head. I think the experts (including you) can work out
> something.
>
> I regard this as a stopgap solution. It should be done if needed, but if
> we are going to keep emitting CO2 it will eventually stop working. I think
> it would buy time for a more permanent solution.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 8:23 PM Andrew Meulenberg 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Jed,
>>
>> You included this link, which I thought might have been referring to my
>> papers since some of the numbers agreed with mine.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160425-how-a-giant-space-umbrella-could-stop-global-warming
>>
>>
>>
>> * On closer look, I saw that the author did not suggest some of my
>> solutions to problems mentioned.*
>>
>> *1.  Meulenberg, A. and Karthik Balaji P.S., “The LEO Archipelago: A
>> System of Earth-Rings for Communications, Mass-Transport to Space, Solar
>> Power, and Control of Global Warming ,”
>> Acta Astronautica 68 (2011), iss. 11-12 Jun 2011 pp. 1931-1946,
>> doi:10.1016/j.actaastro.2010.12.002 arXiv:1009.4043v1
>> .*
>>
>>
>> *2.  Meulenberg, A. and Wan, T., C., “LEO-Ring-Based Communications
>> Network,” Proceedings of Space, Propulsion & Energy Sciences International
>> Forum (SPESIF-11, March 15-17, 2011), Physics Procedia
>> , Volume 20
>> ,
>> 2011, Pages 232-241, edited by Glen A. Robertson.3.  Meulenberg, A. and
>> Poston, T., “Sling-on-a-Ring: Structural elements for a Space Elevator to
>> LEO,” Proc. of SPESIF-11, March 15-17, 2011, Physics Procedia
>>  Volume 20
>> ,
>> 2011, pp 222-231, Space, Propulsion & Energy Sciences International Forum
>> edited by Glen A. Robertson.*
>> *4. A. Meulenberg, R. Suresh, S. Ramanathan, "LEO-based optical/microwave
>> terrestrial communications," Presented at the 59th International
>> Astronautical Congress, Glasgow, Scotland, (2008). IAC-08-B2.5.2 Available
>> from:
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/46587815_Leo-Based_OpticalMicrowave_Terrestrial_Communications
>> *
>> These papers provide a path to space that would not only pay for itself;
>> but, it would be a major profit source. Had these ideas been implemented a
>> decade ago, we would now  have relatively cheap transport to space and a
>> means of major shipping to and from space that would not blow a growing
>> hole in the ozone layer.
>>
>> Andrew
>> _ _ _ _
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 9:39 AM Jed Rothwell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have discussed these topics here from time to time. I am preparing a
>>> talk on them. I propose to stop global warming using cold fusion in two
>>> steps:
>>>
>>>1. Stop emitting carbon dioxide by using cold fusion energy.
>>>2. Remove excess carbon from the atmosphere by growing billions of
>>>trees. When they are old, cut them down and bury them underground in
>>>abandoned open-pit coal mines.
>>>
>>> Item 2, 

Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone

[Nicholas Palmer]

Chris Zell - what part of this in Jed's reply did you not understand?

" A Google search for "thorium battery" (in quotes) turns up more than a
thousand items "

Nick Palmer



On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 at 14:34, Chris Zell  wrote:

> Ah, the expected narcissistic reply
>
>
>
> But I was talking about a thorium battery, not a reactor – as your
> citation seems to talk about. You know how to use google?  Many sites but
> not really about the reputed thorium plasma battery
>
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> And then there was Arie De Geus and his patents.
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> https://energyfromthorium.com/2014/04/13/mythology-thorium-car-thorium-plasma-batteries/
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> And here is a site denouncing the idea – loaded up with dead end links, as
> I said.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jed Rothwell 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2022 6:05 PM
> *To:* Vortex 
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone
>
>
>
> Chris Zell  wrote:
>
> I would say that the ‘thorium battery’ on the internet has been thoroughly
> scrubbed and every link eliminated.
>
>
> A Google search for "thorium battery" (in quotes) turns up more than a
> thousand items. Without the quotes, more than a million. There is an
> organization devoted to this topic. It is very much in operation, with
> academic meetings and so on:
>
> Thorium Energy Alliance
>
> https://thoriumenergyalliance.com/
> 
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> There were also rumors about strange deaths connected with it.
>
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> These rumors probably have as much validity as what you just said. Which
> is to say, zero validity.
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Re: [Vo]:OT: Journal of Universal Rejection

[Jed Rothwell]

I like it!

Re: [Vo]:OT: Journal of Universal Rejection

[David L. Babcock]

Oh wow!
Thank you!

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 9:03 PM H LV  wrote:

>
> https://universalrejection.org/
>
> ;-)
> Harry
>

RE: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone

[Chris Zell]

Ah, the expected narcissistic reply

But I was talking about a thorium battery, not a reactor - as your citation 
seems to talk about. You know how to use google?  Many sites but not really 
about the reputed thorium plasma battery

And then there was Arie De Geus and his patents.

https://energyfromthorium.com/2014/04/13/mythology-thorium-car-thorium-plasma-batteries/

And here is a site denouncing the idea - loaded up with dead end links, as I 
said.

From: Jed Rothwell 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 6:05 PM
To: Vortex 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone

Chris Zell mailto:chrisz...@wetmtv.com>> wrote:
I would say that the 'thorium battery' on the internet has been thoroughly 
scrubbed and every link eliminated.

A Google search for "thorium battery" (in quotes) turns up more than a thousand 
items. Without the quotes, more than a million. There is an organization 
devoted to this topic. It is very much in operation, with academic meetings and 
so on:

Thorium Energy Alliance

https://thoriumenergyalliance.com/


There were also rumors about strange deaths connected with it.

These rumors probably have as much validity as what you just said. Which is to 
say, zero validity.



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Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone

[Jed Rothwell]

Esa Ruoho  wrote:

Anyway I've mailed Anthony Craddock about cheniere + energyfromthevacuum.
> Eagerly waiting for a response.
> He should be the go-to-guy for paying for those domains.
>

It may be the domain has lapsed, or the ISP annual fee, or both. (In some
cases, the ISP also maintains the domain and bills them both on the same
day.) If the ISP has lapsed the data is probably still there. They are not
going to erase the server right away. As soon as I paid my annual fee,
they restored access to the website.

I think it was a computer that turned off LENR-CANR.org. It was automatic.
If I had contacted tech support I expect they would have turned it back on
even before I paid. If someone contacts Bearden's ISP, they might turn it
back on temporarily. Or they might get one person access so you can backup
all the data and later restore it to another ISP. Or send you a backup.

Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone

[Esa Ruoho]

Anyway I've mailed Anthony Craddock about cheniere + energyfromthevacuum.
Eagerly waiting for a response.
He should be the go-to-guy for paying for those domains.


ke 15. kesäk. 2022 klo 1.11 Jed Rothwell (jedrothw...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:

> I wrote:
>
>
>> The day the website bill comes due, payment will be refused and the ISP
>> told the card holder is deceased. Of course the site will be taken offline.
>>
>
> My credit card number once changed, and I forgot to update the ISP
> account. On the day the payment came due, it did not go through. The ISP
> computer took LENR-CANR.org offline *that day*. Until I paid.
>
>
>
>> Ad revenues have nothing to do with it.
>>
>
> Ad revenues go to the website owner, not the ISP. Even if ads were paying
> thousands a day, if the fee to the ISP is not paid, they will take the
> website offline.
>
>

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