Re: [Vo]:Rossi heat exchanger fitting
Two more pictures of the thermocouple (from user agoz on 22passi blog) http://www.redmatica.com/media/Thermo1.jpg http://www.redmatica.com/media/Thermo2.jpg Another user on 22passi (Mario Massa) computed that the thermocouple in that position could give a reading as higher as 5 deg C more then the water temperature (given the thermal resistance of brass and of the contact surface water-brass ) On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: Attached is a jpg of the fitting for the hot end of the Rossi heat exchanger. The finger points to where the Tout themocouple was located. The other side of this big brass fitting was the entry point for the steam/water from the E-cat. You can see white streak marks on the tape both sides of the fitting. I wonder if those are footprints of the thermocouples used. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-09-01 18:06, Joe Catania wrote: I think that should be Aug. 22 No, it's really September 22nd. By the way, in that very same thread, a well-informed and reliable user (who has got contacts from CNR [1] and INFN [2]) added some more information that has been also partially confirmed by Daniele on his 22passi blog: - It's Rossi himself that decided to take part to these tests. This happened on August 27th and since then, test protocols are being discussed among some academic circles in the USA and Italy [from which some information has been leaking] - Although Rossi initially complained about it, he agreed to perform tests without phase changes (no steam) - Tests will begin on September 3rd [and according to Rossi in one his posts on JoNP, they will last about two months [3] ] This post of Armando de Para on energeticambiente in forum giving the date of September 3rd at nasa has been deleted. Anyway it appeared to me a well informed person. Maybe he was asked to delete it. Passerini didn't really confirmed, he said that he had some information about a test in an indetermined week of september in an undetrmined laboratory. Rossi didn't respond on JNOP to a my request to comment these rumors.
Re: [Vo]:DGT citation: unsuccesful test of end of july 2011
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:02 AM, Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.de wrote: citation: The Licence and Technology Transfer Agreement (The LTTA) contains a mile stone payment arrangement. According to said arrangement, DGT's release of the first payment to EFA is pending on that EFA meet several technical requirements. As anticipated in the LTTA for the purpose of determining if EFA has met said requirements, a test was performed in late July 2011. While the test conclusively showed that most of these requirements indeed were reached, some were not; the most important one being full working stability of the reactor. As provided in the LTTA, DGT therefore requested a second test. However, EFA has refused to participate in such a test despite the fact that such non-participation clearly constitutes a material breach of contract. Such a test is and has always been a prerequisite for DGT confidently going forward with the collaboration with EFA. can you provide a link?
Re: [Vo]:Celani's email on gamma measurements during the January public test
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: names get translated too (for example Rossi becomes Smith): Rossi becames Smith because in Italy Rossi is a very common name and it's often used as the name of the average person. John Smith would be Mario Rossi in italian :)
Re: [Vo]:Scoop of the last 22 years
at 22:22 CEST stay tuned On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/9 Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com: http://22passi.blogspot.com/ COMING TONIGHT THE SCOOP OF THE LAST 22 YEARS, AND I SWEAR THAT I AM NOT JOKING. Oiled WELL YOUR CONNECTION SPEED TO DOWNLOAD THAT THERE ARE 22 OF MEGA STUFF, BUT WORTH IT !!! Harry This is how I like it, what is the correct protocol to publish the greatest scientific discovery in the history! Well done Daniele! - Jouni
[Vo]:Galantini report
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3228358.ece/BINARY/Galantini+steam+report.pdf
Re: [Vo]:Galantini report
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: At 1 he does not say what is cubic/meter. Instrument manifacturer says air, he says nothing, hoping to hide in this way the first and bigger error made in the measurement. With these basis, all the rest appears to me quite meaningless . I'm not an expert...but a volume is a volumeit's not made of anything... He says the instruments give a reading of how much gaseous water there is inside 1 cubic meter (not cubic/meter) It certainly doesn't not measure liquid water, since in presence of liquid water the sensor would not work. The quantity of liquid water, that is water not evaporate or condensed is estimated conservatively by difference to saturated steam which is inferred from temperature and pressure. 2011/8/8 Enzo sv4...@gmail.com http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3228358.ece/BINARY/Galantini+steam+report.pdf
Re: [Vo]:Re: Galantini report
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: In past Galantini said gr of liquid water / m^3 of vapor. In past the we didn't have the words of Galantini, only reports of them by journalists/bloggers
Re: [Vo]:Re: Galantini report
2011/8/8 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com: Wrong. We have e-mails from Galantini. lo strumento utilizzato indica i gr. di acqua per mc. di vapore Translation: the instruments give grams of water per m^3 of steam. Ok. My fault. But now we have a more precise report of what he did. Is that a correct procedure? -Messaggio originale- From: Enzo Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Galantini report On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: In past Galantini said gr of liquid water / m^3 of vapor. In past the we didn't have the words of Galantini, only reports of them by journalists/bloggers
Re: [Vo]:Galantini report rules out overflow hypothesis in the tests he observed
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: 12- An empirical confirmation, not rigorous though, is the fact that I extracted many times the probe from the chimney of the reactor, and it was ictu oculi dry: being the chimney a small vertical cylinder, due to the gravity in short time it would be filled by water, if significant amount of water shouldn’t evaporate, with two consequences: i) the temperature could not be 101.1 Celsius and ii) the probe would have been wet. (ictu oculi means in the blink of an eye in Latin. Not sure what it means in this context.) It means that he verified it only with his eyes not with other methods.
Re: [Vo]:Galantini report rules out overflow hypothesis in the tests he observed
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Enzo sv4...@gmail.com wrote: (ictu oculi means in the blink of an eye in Latin. Not sure what it means in this context.) It means that he verified it only with his eyes not with other methods. More precisely, the sense is the eye was enough to verify that...
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: By the way, the 18-hour test, on its own, certainly seems convincing, but the problem is that we can't trust it. It's seems to me that most of the people talking about Rossi-Focardi would like to have a proof given personally to them to believe In my opinion there are only two facts which we can judge: 1) Rossi-Focardi had given a private demonstration of their reactor to the University of Bologna (the so called 18-hour test) which later signed a contract to study the reactor. 2) The same happened with the university of Uppsala, but for what we know at the moment they have not signed a similar agreement. The rest is totally pointless to discuss. The public tests are useless, for whatever rossi would show in a public test, people would find flaws in it saying that it doesn't constitute a proof. Rossi has choose not to follow the scientific path of publishing results and wait peer reviews. This is perfectly legitimate and I can even think good reasons in doing this beside his justifications about patents and trade secrets.
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: At 09:15 AM 8/5/2011, Enzo wrote: 1) Rossi-Focardi had given a private demonstration of their reactor to the University of Bologna (the so called 18-hour test) which later signed a contract to study the reactor. You have connected two events as if one caused the other. In fact, the University of Bolgna has declared, as I recall, that there is no such contract. A contract may have been offered, possibly, but it's really contingent, if the rumors are correct, on delivery of the 1 MW reactor, or else there isn't any money. Rossi's stated that he spent his last money on the UB agreement. No proof. No proof?? Are you sure? Come on... how can someone assert such a false statement as a contract with a university when that can easily be denied... For the announcement of the University of Bologna take a look here: http://www.df.unibo.it/bacheca/bacheca.htm
Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Bologna contract
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 04:03 PM 8/5/2011, Enzo wrote: For the announcement of the University of Bologna take a look here: http://www.df.unibo.it/bacheca/bacheca.htm Google translate of PDF file : Notice (google says Warning) A slightly better human translation (mine): Bologna 29 June 2011 The Department of Physics of the Alma Mater Studiorum - University of Bologna wants to communicate that: - A research contract has signed with the Company Ltd. EFA of value of €500,000 (plus VAT) lasting 24 months, to perform research in the field of efficiency of power production of the power plants of the company; - The Research contract becomes active when the Department receives the the first payment expected; - the research program (part of the Contract) includes both the measurement of plants performance and possibly any improvement in performance. Official information about the research in question will be sent only and exclusively by the Department of Physics or by Alma Mater Studiorum to which the Department belongs. The Director of the Department of Physics Alma Mater Studiorum - University of Bologna
Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Bologna contract
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The web page links to this document, which Enzo translated for us. (Thanks!): http://www.df.unibo.it/bacheca/Avviso%20EFA%20S.r.l.2.pdf - A research contract has signed with the Company Ltd. EFA of value of €500,000 (plus VAT) lasting 24 months, to perform research in the field of efficiency of power production of the power plants of the company; What is EFA? Are we sure this is Rossi's company? This contract has been discussed very much on italian forums and blogs... i think we can be sure University of Bologna would immediately deny any link with Rossi. The contract is vague and does not hint that this is a revolutionary discovery. Yes indeed. It's clear from this announcement ( that, for what i know, has not been issued to press) that University of Bologna at the moment wants to maintain a low profile. Rumors say that Rossi still has not sent the first payment which is a condition for the begin of the research, and that the contract includes a comma which render the agreement void if the first payment is not made before a certain deadline.
