Re: [Vo]:Alchemy in the Post
This report is intended to be misinformation. Technology is already exists and produces the precious metals from the cheap materials. For example, there is a patent by Dr. Champion about conversion of silver to gold: http://www.google.ru/patents?id=uB6oEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false and an older one http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/WO1994003905 It has evolved much more and now there is promo video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V13xKUPTvTY Links about development and history http://www.drjoechampion.com/ http://www.drjoechampion.com/phonon.htm http://www.drjoechampion.com/alchemist.htm http://www.drjoechampion.com/Procedure.htm http://www.drjoechampion.com/2009%20Notes.htm http://www.drjoechampion.com/2010%20Notes.htm http://www.drjoechampion.com/2011%20Notes.htm http://www.drjoechampion.com/Dec%202008/magic_of_2008.htm http://drjoechampion.com/History/x-files/history1.htm http://www.drjoechampion.com/History/x-files/history2.htm Washington post is trying to divert attention from research that seems to be real. On 10/05/2012 11:37 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/innovations/post/a-bacteria-that-poops-gold-yep-that-exists-and-its-in-an-art-exhibit-video/2012/10/04/1617f178-0e5d-11e2-bd1a-b868e65d57eb_blog.html http://goo.gl/qVL9J Vid caption: "This microbial magician, named Cupriavidus metallidurans, when placed in a minilab full of gold chloride, a nasty toxin, gobbled up the poison and, in about a week, processed it out as 24-karat nuggets of the precious yellow metal."
Re: [Vo]:Some thoughts about preparation of nickel powder
I doubt this process is profitable. I'm pretty sure that any aspect of that business is unbearable for 99%, and only government agents can deal with it. On 11/08/2011 06:39 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:17 AM, kulintsov wrote: I didn't try it so far, but I will do for sure. I see the catalyst has many uses. If you find you are unsuccessful at replicating the Rossi Reaction, you can likely make a large profit using this process: http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/amph.urushibara.html ;-) T
Re: [Vo]:Some thoughts about preparation of nickel powder
I didn't try it so far, but I will do for sure. On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > This is very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Will soon be able to share our > data as well. I also note mention of better results with electropolished Ni. > Any comments on that? > > > On 11/8/2011 6:11 PM, kulintsov wrote: >> >> Sorry, industrial secret, ZOG's pursuit, no comments. >> >> By the way during my experimentation with electrolysis of the nickel salts >> I have seen small and short "gamma bursts" with my dosimeter several times. >> For a minute or two there was double, triple or even quadruple increase in >> background radiation after turning on and off the apparatus or after rapid >> change of concentration of the solution. But these measurements was too >> rough to be sure about it. >> >> I think such thing aren't surprising for cold fusion experts. >> >> Pasha > >
Re: [Vo]:Some thoughts about preparation of nickel powder
Sorry, industrial secret, ZOG's pursuit, no comments. By the way during my experimentation with electrolysis of the nickel salts I have seen small and short "gamma bursts" with my dosimeter several times. For a minute or two there was double, triple or even quadruple increase in background radiation after turning on and off the apparatus or after rapid change of concentration of the solution. But these measurements was too rough to be sure about it. I think such thing aren't surprising for cold fusion experts. Pasha On 11/08/2011 09:50 AM, David Roberson wrote: Post any finding you have on the vortex for all of us to see. ;-) Dave -Original Message- From: kulintsov To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 11:38 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Some thoughts about preparation of nickel powder I've already done most of these steps. :P Not so amateurish stuff indeed. Best regards, Pasha On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Alan J Fletchermailto:a...@well.com>> wrote: At 06:43 PM 11/6/2011, kulintsov wrote: Hello, I'm new here and my English is not very well. Sorry for any mistakes. Hi no problem! Andrea Rossi November 6th, 2011 at 3:53 AM WARNING TO THE READERS: I HAVE RECEIVED IN MY EMAIL MANY MESSAGES OF PEOPLE ASKING INSTRUCTIONS TO MAKE IN THEIR “BACKYARD” A PROTOTYPE TO REPLICATE THE EFFECT. I WANT TO REPEAT AGAIN WHAT I ALREADY WROTE IN THIS BLOG: PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL: HYDROGEN IS EXPLOSIVE AND NICKEL POWDER IS TOXIC. TO TRY THE EXPERIMENT IS VERY DANGEROUS AND IS POSSIBLE ONLY FOR PROFESSIONALS, IN PROPER LABORATORYES AND WITH PROPER SAFETY DEVICES AND CLOTHES, GOGGLES, GLOVES, ETC ETC. IN PARTICULAR, IT IS MANDATORY THAT NO MINORS ARE EXPOSED TO THESE RISKS (A LADY TOLD ME SHE WAS MAKING AN EXPERIMENT IN HER KITCHEN WITH HER CHILDREN…..) AGAIN: PLEASE DO NOT USE HYDROGEN AND NICKEL POWDER IF YOU ARE NOT A PROFESSIONAL SUPPLIED WITH ALL THE NECESSARY EXPERIENCE AND INSTRUMENTATION, SAFETY DEVICES, INDIVIDUAL PROTECTION CLOTHES. WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI
Re: [Vo]:Some thoughts about preparation of nickel powder
I've already done most of these steps. :P Not so amateurish stuff indeed. Best regards, Pasha On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > At 06:43 PM 11/6/2011, kulintsov wrote: > > Hello, I'm new here and my English is not very well. Sorry for any mistakes. > > Hi no problem! > > Andrea Rossi > November 6th, 2011 at 3:53 AM > > WARNING TO THE READERS: > I HAVE RECEIVED IN MY EMAIL MANY MESSAGES OF PEOPLE ASKING INSTRUCTIONS TO > MAKE IN THEIR “BACKYARD” A PROTOTYPE TO REPLICATE THE EFFECT. I WANT TO > REPEAT AGAIN WHAT I ALREADY WROTE IN THIS BLOG: PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL: > HYDROGEN IS EXPLOSIVE AND NICKEL POWDER IS TOXIC. TO TRY THE EXPERIMENT IS > VERY DANGEROUS AND IS POSSIBLE ONLY FOR PROFESSIONALS, IN PROPER > LABORATORYES AND WITH PROPER SAFETY DEVICES AND CLOTHES, GOGGLES, GLOVES, > ETC ETC. > IN PARTICULAR, IT IS MANDATORY THAT NO MINORS ARE EXPOSED TO THESE RISKS (A > LADY TOLD ME SHE WAS MAKING AN EXPERIMENT IN HER KITCHEN WITH HER > CHILDREN…..) > AGAIN: PLEASE DO NOT USE HYDROGEN AND NICKEL POWDER IF YOU ARE NOT A > PROFESSIONAL SUPPLIED WITH ALL THE NECESSARY EXPERIENCE AND INSTRUMENTATION, > SAFETY DEVICES, INDIVIDUAL PROTECTION CLOTHES. > WARM REGARDS, > ANDREA ROSSI >
Re: [Vo]:Some thoughts about preparation of nickel powder
But you know, this process is just one step longer than the typical one for making nickel metal from nickel ore: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mond_process On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:06 AM, kulintsov wrote: > If we are talking about separation only, then we must start with evaporating > of approximately 30 kg of nickel carbonyl. > http://books.google.com/books?id=Sfvbgvu9OQMC&pg=PA583&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false > You need 4 MJ or 1.1 kW.h for vaporization only > But this substance is very volatile and have boiling point 42.5 C, so you > need only change pressure by small amount and then let nature do the rest of > the work. There is way to separate isotopes by doing cycles of evaporation > only because molecules with Ni-58 should be first one to evaporate. I don't > know which method is more preferred: to complete series of evaporation or to > centrifuge gas. This estimating is difficult for me to make right now. > > I want to emphasize the point that there is no need for Rossi to do any > energetically costly procedures. Most of steps in the route are exothermic > and he just need to find cheap chemicals for this. Only one of them that is > relatively hard to get is nickel carbonyl. The environmental issues are not > hard work for Rossi and nickel carbonyl is easily decompose in air, so I > think he can manage it. > > On 11/07/2011 06:58 AM, Berke Durak wrote: >> >> Hi Pasha, >> >> Could you give an estimate for the energy required for >> preparing 10 kg of nickel following that procedure? >> >> Rossi claims 200 W.h is sufficient. >
Re: [Vo]:Some thoughts about preparation of nickel powder
If we are talking about separation only, then we must start with evaporating of approximately 30 kg of nickel carbonyl. http://books.google.com/books?id=Sfvbgvu9OQMC&pg=PA583&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false You need 4 MJ or 1.1 kW.h for vaporization only But this substance is very volatile and have boiling point 42.5 C, so you need only change pressure by small amount and then let nature do the rest of the work. There is way to separate isotopes by doing cycles of evaporation only because molecules with Ni-58 should be first one to evaporate. I don't know which method is more preferred: to complete series of evaporation or to centrifuge gas. This estimating is difficult for me to make right now. I want to emphasize the point that there is no need for Rossi to do any energetically costly procedures. Most of steps in the route are exothermic and he just need to find cheap chemicals for this. Only one of them that is relatively hard to get is nickel carbonyl. The environmental issues are not hard work for Rossi and nickel carbonyl is easily decompose in air, so I think he can manage it. On 11/07/2011 06:58 AM, Berke Durak wrote: Hi Pasha, Could you give an estimate for the energy required for preparing 10 kg of nickel following that procedure? Rossi claims 200 W.h is sufficient.
[Vo]:Some thoughts about preparation of nickel powder
Hello, I'm new here and my English is not very well. Sorry for any mistakes. Rossi mentioned nickel-62 and nickel-64 isotope enrichment in an interview and in his patent http://www.google.com/patents?id=84vwEBAJ&zoom=4&dq=rossi%20nickel%20hydrogen&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false prepared powder seems to be contaminated by traces of Zn. I think there is a cheap and purely chemical way to reach the result. Starting with nickel carbonyl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetracarbonylnickel and centrifuging it at near room temperature we can easily get the desired isotopes. After that carbonyl can be oxidised to nickel chloride and the product can be used for preparing of Urushibara catalyst http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/urushibara.html via mixing solution of nickel chloride with zinc dust and following all necessary steps. This catalyst powder can be dried out in high vacuum and filled with hydrogen gas. It must have less impurities than any nickel powder made in contact with atmosphere and very irregular large surface. Nickel carbonyl and chlorine are highly toxic, but compared to other procedures this one can be done in scalable mode without Arata-like high tech equipment. So may be Rossi have followed a close route. Pasha
