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Jones wrote.. there is so little spark of creativity or validity to what he is claiming. Howdy Jones, Carl's design is based on a the use of cone shaped prop blades that produce a vortex. Like you say, the design has been around for some years. See attached link that shows a vortex induced mixer that both produces a vacuum up to 28 " hg to induct gas or liquid plus mix . Look! NO BLADES , NO PROP. Our mixer head is a type of distributor using parabolic segmental cavities.. in other words, it's functions like what would result if you used the space left over from a lost wax casting mold of a prop.. . Also , It is NOT patented.. we don't patent any of our designs.. feel free to figure out how we can pull 28"hg outa the contraption and we'll send you four bits worth of Dime Box Saloon poker chips. People with ideas should make the idea into a product and market it and forget the patent which is an invitation to a lawsuit. The secret is to be first and never stop running.. plus have a great product name.. even Frigidaire name still works after all these years. In the case of our mixers.. hmmm.. it also take an average of 7 years to get vendor approval form major municipalities.. that is after you have provided a test unit, installed it for free and have it run non stop for the 7 years... then you get the privilege of competitively bidding against competition..Don't you just love how business works? http://www.gasmastrrr.com/series32.html Richard
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What a pitiful excuse for an inventor! BTW for those who are not familiar with the term, Bechcellier is a classic example of the PATENT TROLL - the term is already Wiki-ized: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll He is disgusting and has no place here; even more so, since as Richard indicates, there is so little spark of creativity or validity to what he is claiming. These troll's like Bechcellier have taken near-plagiarism, and abuse of the patent system, and converted that into an artform... Jones R.C.Macaulay wrote: Howdy Jones, I had a similar confront with Carl. It's kinda hard to stare down a 1938 "mixmaster" dual blade design and claim you invented it in 1990. Or as well as a Hamilton-Beach mixer for mixing malted milk shakes form the 1930's they had a "dual" vortex . Perhaps Carl can re-invent it and get a patent. The guys running circles around Carl are the bunch from California called Pax. Richard - Original Message - From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Carl Bachellier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "vortex" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Water Vortex Video Ah all we need today is some greedy bagman and patent troll trying to assert vague rights over a basic impeller design which has been around for a hundred years. Get a life, Carl Bachellier, and go find a forum where someone is impressed with your claims. This is not that place. If you find and actual infringement, then sue - otherwise avoid any attempt at infringing on the Constitutional rights of others, or you will find yourself on the wrong end of lawsuit. You can take this message as an order to "Cease and Desist." Jones Beene Carl Bachellier wrote: Hi, I was just Googling the V-impeller, which I own several patents on, and saw your suggestion that you could make the double system on your own for far cheaper "than this company". You should be careful about admitting to such things on the internet. I'm sure you are just a hobbyist, but I have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on impeller research and vortex production. Most of my new designs are now all done under secrecy agreements for rather large corporations. I don't mind people playing with technology I have developed, but I don't really think it is fair to advocate bypassing the owner of the technology. Infringement cases are usually won on evidence, so you might want to watch what you write. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg17686.html Best of luck with your endeavors. Carl Bachellier vortiv.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.16/1005 - Release Date: 9/13/2007 11:45 AM
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Howdy Jones, I had a similar confront with Carl. It's kinda hard to stare down a 1938 "mixmaster" dual blade design and claim you invented it in 1990. Or as well as a Hamilton-Beach mixer for mixing malted milk shakes form the 1930's they had a "dual" vortex . Perhaps Carl can re-invent it and get a patent. The guys running circles around Carl are the bunch from California called Pax. Richard - Original Message - From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Carl Bachellier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "vortex" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Water Vortex Video Ah all we need today is some greedy bagman and patent troll trying to assert vague rights over a basic impeller design which has been around for a hundred years. Get a life, Carl Bachellier, and go find a forum where someone is impressed with your claims. This is not that place. If you find and actual infringement, then sue - otherwise avoid any attempt at infringing on the Constitutional rights of others, or you will find yourself on the wrong end of lawsuit. You can take this message as an order to "Cease and Desist." Jones Beene Carl Bachellier wrote: Hi, I was just Googling the V-impeller, which I own several patents on, and saw your suggestion that you could make the double system on your own for far cheaper "than this company". You should be careful about admitting to such things on the internet. I'm sure you are just a hobbyist, but I have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on impeller research and vortex production. Most of my new designs are now all done under secrecy agreements for rather large corporations. I don't mind people playing with technology I have developed, but I don't really think it is fair to advocate bypassing the owner of the technology. Infringement cases are usually won on evidence, so you might want to watch what you write. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg17686.html Best of luck with your endeavors. Carl Bachellier vortiv.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.16/1005 - Release Date: 9/13/2007 11:45 AM
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Ah all we need today is some greedy bagman and patent troll trying to assert vague rights over a basic impeller design which has been around for a hundred years. Get a life, Carl Bachellier, and go find a forum where someone is impressed with your claims. This is not that place. If you find and actual infringement, then sue - otherwise avoid any attempt at infringing on the Constitutional rights of others, or you will find yourself on the wrong end of lawsuit. You can take this message as an order to "Cease and Desist." Jones Beene Carl Bachellier wrote: Hi, I was just Googling the V-impeller, which I own several patents on, and saw your suggestion that you could make the double system on your own for far cheaper "than this company". You should be careful about admitting to such things on the internet. I'm sure you are just a hobbyist, but I have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on impeller research and vortex production. Most of my new designs are now all done under secrecy agreements for rather large corporations. I don't mind people playing with technology I have developed, but I don't really think it is fair to advocate bypassing the owner of the technology. Infringement cases are usually won on evidence, so you might want to watch what you write. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg17686.html Best of luck with your endeavors. Carl Bachellier vortiv.com
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On 2/9/07, David Thomson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I had said I would make a video of my water vortex generator and have been putting it off. This morning I remembered I had made a video record for my self. It was kewl. But it made me have to go pee. Terry
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Hi Jones, > Looks like you were going for an artistic/ecosystem approach. I built this a couple years ago and intended to be looking at it constantly. There are no mountain streams here in the middle of Illinois, so it was necessary to observe an engineered vortex in my house. > Have you considered using just the tapered cone for energy > experimentation? My primary interest was to see if there was anything to Viktor Schauberger's observations. I can say that I noticed some rather strange, subtle phenomena. The vortex in the original setup (as seen in the video) is strictly driven by gravity flow water, rather than pressure provided by a pump. Also, the water was treated with fish and circulated to "organicize" it. The rocks helped to condition the water, as well. It didn't take long for algae to develop on the rocks, however algae never became a problem in the tanks. This was good, as it indicated the water was healthy. To my surprise, it seemed as though the water could react to emotions. When there was a certain balance between the angular momentum of the water and the gravitational pull, I could look at the water and change its height by thinking different emotions. I also noticed that the vortex was "firmer" and stayed near the top of the funnel during vernal and autumnal equinox, but fell to the bottom in the middle of the summer and winter. I'm still trying to figure out what physiological change in the water would cause this, although I'm fairly certain that it has to do with the conductance of the water and the alignment of the Earth's angular momentum with regard to the Sun. These effects were consistent over a two year period of constant operation. This summer I will dismantle the whole set and build a structure solely for scientific testing (minus the fish). I will experiment by applying changing magnetic and electric fields to the water in various ways. I will also install remote sensing thermometers, a flow meter, and buy a water test kit. For a water supply, I have rigged a rain barrel to capture untreated water. It will still be slightly polluted from dust and volcanoes, but it will be the same water that falls anywhere else. Observing the water vortex daily for two years has given me the intuitive understanding of vortices I had hoped to obtain. I can now see how to engineer vortices in other media, such as air molecules and various fields. I have already begun collecting the materials to build a magnetic field vortex generator. I'm hoping that subtle vorticular rotating magnetic fields can be used to condition DNA molecules in living organisms, thus causing the body to rebuild itself in a younger and healthier condition. I am now convinced that water is a living entity of a different order of existence. It may not have the organs and tissues of plants and animals, but it does possess the ability to interact with its environment beyond mere chemical and inertial actions. In a book I wrote, Secrets of the Aether, I provide the mathematical foundation for a new system of physics, based upon the same empirical data as Quantum Mechanics. In this theory, I provide a rational basis as to why magnetic flux is the reciprocal of conductance, and not resistance. I also provide pre-existing evidence demonstrating that conductance is a unit, which is directly related to emotions and feelings. All matter throughout the Universe, and even the fabric of space-time possesses the quality of conductance. I can now provide a scientific basis for explaining much of the so-called "psychic" phenomena, which is really the art of being able to recognize and manipulate conductance. I'm aware of the tornado in a can and other experiments regarding vortices. However, I am not interested in high energy (read destructive) uses of physics. My primary interest is in finding harmony and balance with nature, not using it to feed my personal greed or cause destruction on other aspects of existence. I have found a sure, scientific path that allows me to systematically explore the subtleties of physical and non-material existence, thus providing me the ultimate pleasure to be found in this Universe. You might say that my video explored the "artistic/ecosystem approach." As flattering as that is, I would add that it is also a fun, compassionate, and human approach. Thank you for watching it and giving your comments. Dave
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Looks like you were going for an artistic/ecosystem approach. Have you considered using just the tapered cone for energy experimentation? Richard M. will be pleased with the nice tight helical channel in the cone, no doubt using less HP than he is using in his super-size-it water purifier. Google video has a lot of neat stuff under the "vortex" subject, but many of these vids try to blend-in too much cultish philosophy and alien-hocus-pocus for my taste... although admittedly the vortex itself, being a natural energy phenomenon (tornadoes, hurricanes) is a natural focal point for the merger of art, science and religion. We used to have an obsessive poster on Vo (should I say "another" obsessive poster) who kept haranguing the group with a constant flow of Viktor Schauberger proposals- so the meme behind all of this fascination must be something akin to a computer "virus" right, Richard? For those interested in pursuing a practical low-energy-input chemical vortex-based reactor, check out the double "V" impeller which is shown about 30-40% through this video. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3626121571675604193&q=vortex With something similar to the the double inverted V impeller [which can be easily made for much less$ than this company would like to charge you] one can make a single shaft mixer unit which serves double-duty by entraining lots of air into water, for instance. Why would anyone want that, you ask? Without giving out too much proprietary information, let's just say that [using biomimicry as a teacher] - and using raw materials consisting of air, water and a colloidal catalyst, but without heat input above ambient, and with two other low-energy features, a similar setup will allow the high volume [and very inexpensive manufacture] of a fairly potent monopropellant "fuel". The lower impeller will keep a colloidal catalyst, such as a metal oxide, from agglomerating, and the upper impeller will force in the maximum amount of oxygen, so that you can continually make the product for an out-of-pocket cost of less than ~2 kWhr per gallon (45% enrichment). That is, if recurring bugs can be worked out. The trick is to remove the product continually in a dilute form, and enrich it in an adjoining vortex cascade -- as the catalyst being used is "two-way" and will function counter-productively over an equilibrium level. Ah... the multi-layered beauty of the vortex. Yes. I think that there is "something" almost genetically appealing in the nature of the generalized vortex-meme, including the newsgroup itself, which tends to bring out latent obsessive tendencies. Is that because DNA-helix is so similar? Or maybe, in the tradition of Vonnegut's strange take on life, it is because "water" is the ultimate source of intelligence in the universe and is just using so-called "life" as a vehicle for transportation? Jones Speaking of Strange Weather, smart-water, whether people should be allowed to smoke at home, and vanity face-creams: http://www.alternet.org/story/15939/ David Thomson wrote: I had said I would make a video of my water vortex generator and have been putting it off. This morning I remembered I had made a video record for my self. It has plenty of good footage in it to show that the vortex is strictly a downward flow in the center, as evidenced by the air bubbles being dragged down. I hope you like Creedence. If you don't, just turn down the volume. There is no narrative as this was intended for my own personal enjoyment. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8468890437369216439 Dave
[Vo]: Water Vortex Video
I had said I would make a video of my water vortex generator and have been putting it off. This morning I remembered I had made a video record for my self. It has plenty of good footage in it to show that the vortex is strictly a downward flow in the center, as evidenced by the air bubbles being dragged down. I hope you like Creedence. If you don't, just turn down the volume. There is no narrative as this was intended for my own personal enjoyment. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8468890437369216439 Dave
