[Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
Greetings Vortex-L Higggs and the Gone Particle: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/19802/20141108/shocking-cern-may-not-have-discovered-elusive-higgs-boson-particle-after-all.htm Ad astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
LOL. That brings me quite a bit of satisfaction actually...what a useful expenditure of the public coffers... On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Vortex-L Higggs and the Gone Particle: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/19802/20141108/shocking-cern-may-not-have-discovered-elusive-higgs-boson-particle-after-all.htm Ad astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
That's two Nobels that should be returned.
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: That's two Nobels that should be returned. Three if you count Obama's Peace prize. :-)
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion much too quickly. I thing of someone finding a 16 pound weight and announcing that they have found a bowling ball. Until the true interactions of a particle are established no one can be confident in what they find. This is a sad chapter in the long sorry story of established science. I hope that one day the system can be improved. Dave -Original Message- From: Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 8:42 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014 LOL. That brings me quite a bit of satisfaction actually...what a useful expenditure of the public coffers... On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Vortex-L Higggs and the Gone Particle: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/19802/20141108/shocking-cern-may-not-have-discovered-elusive-higgs-boson-particle-after-all.htm Ad astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 1:07 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion much too quickly. I thing of someone finding a 16 pound weight and announcing that they have found a bowling ball. Until the true interactions of a particle are established no one can be confident in what they find. This is a sad chapter in the long sorry story of established science. I hope that one day the system can be improved. It was uncharacteristic of the Nobel committee to issue a prize so soon after a discovery, but I think they were taken in by the grandiosity of the project. harry
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:07 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion much too quickly. I share your skepticism about the discovery of the Higgs boson. But I'm also skeptical about the claim of this team that there is another interpretation. There is always another interpretation. Glancing at the article, I'm guessing they had an alternative proposal that did not gain traction, and now they're hoping to make the case that the announcement was premature. Judging from what I've learned watching LENR, theorists will never agree, and there is nothing one can do to help them agree. Even when there is evidence staring them in the face that there's something else going on. They appear to be very stubborn people. Eric
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
I suppose that a careful review of previous Noble prize awards would reveal that many were in error according to present understanding of the sciences. Would a longer wait time actually help? My thoughts are that it would indeed be better to allow the dust to settle for several years while other scientists have an opportunity to verify the concept. Unfortunately, if the wait is too extended the scientists might not be alive to accept their well deserved prizes. In the case of the Higgs, the wait was not sufficient and now the award may become an embarrassment for the prize committee. Lets hope that they take a lesson from history. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 3:26 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014 On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 1:07 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion much too quickly. I thing of someone finding a 16 pound weight and announcing that they have found a bowling ball. Until the true interactions of a particle are established no one can be confident in what they find. This is a sad chapter in the long sorry story of established science. I hope that one day the system can be improved. It was uncharacteristic of the Nobel committee to issue a prize so soon after a discovery, but I think they were taken in by the grandiosity of the project. harry
Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014
I agree with much of what you are saying Eric. The other group is just as likely to be wrong in their interpretation as well since so few particles have been seen. How is it possible for anyone to state with confidence that a newly found particle of a certain mass has anything at all to do with the masses of other particles? Where is the proof of that theory? It will take many years to demonstrate within an experiment a connection of this complexity and many of us will be long gone before that happens. I remain a skeptic until much better evidence is presented. It is time to get off the soap box! Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 3:44 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014 On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:07 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion much too quickly. I share your skepticism about the discovery of the Higgs boson. But I'm also skeptical about the claim of this team that there is another interpretation. There is always another interpretation. Glancing at the article, I'm guessing they had an alternative proposal that did not gain traction, and now they're hoping to make the case that the announcement was premature. Judging from what I've learned watching LENR, theorists will never agree, and there is nothing one can do to help them agree. Even when there is evidence staring them in the face that there's something else going on. They appear to be very stubborn people. Eric
