Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[mixent]

In reply to  Chris Zell's message of Mon, 24 Jun 2019 15:11:48 +:
Hi,
[snip]
>Could be.  It may be like causes for war.  The US starts militating against 
>some nation and by sheer coincidence causes for immediate military action 
>appear, as if by magic.

Nice to see that at least someone has their eyes open. :)
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

RE: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[Chris Zell]

Could be.  It may be like causes for war.  The US starts militating against 
some nation and by sheer coincidence causes for immediate military action 
appear, as if by magic.

From: Terry Blanton 
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 2:58 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

It is as I read somewhere, as long as there are several trillion dollars of oil 
untapped, cold fusion will remain "fringe science".  When we need it, it will 
suddenly become accepted.  Same with AG.

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[Terry Blanton]

Me too.  Doesn't change what oil companies want.


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On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 8:16 PM Lennart Thornros 
wrote:

> I 100% agree
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 14:58 Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>> It is as I read somewhere, as long as there are several trillion dollars
>> of oil untapped, cold fusion will remain "fringe science".  When we need
>> it, it will suddenly become accepted.  Same with AG.
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[Lennart Thornros]

I 100% agree

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 14:58 Terry Blanton  wrote:

> It is as I read somewhere, as long as there are several trillion dollars
> of oil untapped, cold fusion will remain "fringe science".  When we need
> it, it will suddenly become accepted.  Same with AG.
>

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[mixent]

In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:58:08 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>It is as I read somewhere, as long as there are several trillion dollars of
>oil untapped, cold fusion will remain "fringe science".  When we need it,
>it will suddenly become accepted.  Same with AG.

1) If we wait until all the oil has been burned, then global warming will have
long passed the tipping point.
2) The oil would actually more valuable as a chemical feedstock than as fuel.
3) We need AG now. It would allow us to colonize the rest of the Solar system.:)


Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[Terry Blanton]

It is as I read somewhere, as long as there are several trillion dollars of
oil untapped, cold fusion will remain "fringe science".  When we need it,
it will suddenly become accepted.  Same with AG.

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[Lennart Thornros]

I knew my questions are naive. Robin I  think your analysis are correct.
I think this secrecy is evolving from large organizations and governments.
Thus we don't work together any longer. Instead we are isolating our self.
The discussions here in Vortex show that this isolation is prevalent in the
academical society as well.
I can see no benefit from keeping this information secret. With very few
exclusions is it justified for government to keep information away from the
people. It actually will ruin the respect between the government an the
people. If you want examples of an area already plagued by a rapidly
diminished respect look at the FDA CDC MONSANTO BIG PHARMA complex.
Lennart
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 16:33  wrote:

> In reply to  Lennart Thornros's message of Fri, 21 Jun 2019 07:02:52 -0400:
> Hi,
> >If there is such a nonaggression pact. Shouldn't we the people 've
> >informed? Why is that secret.? W go benefits from the secrecy?
> >Lennart Thornros
> [snip]
> 1) Yes, we should be informed.
> 2) It's secret because those in power assume massive panic if the word got
> out.
> They are wrong BTW, if *all* the facts are presented, rather than a
> selection,
> then for almost everyone, life would just go on as normal, because if
> would be
> obvious that the situation has been going on for a long time, and
> essentially
> nothing has changed.
> Regards,
>
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> local asymmetry = temporary success
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[Ron Kita]

The benefit for keeping Antigravity .."Secret" is the Big Oil
Companies...and World Banks.  There is something that
is very strange about "Three Days of the Condor" and Oil wells and A-Bombs!
..Ad astra, Ron Kita , Chiralex

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 8:05 PM Axil Axil  wrote:

>   Congress up in arms
>
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-briefs-us-senators/index.html
>
> The Senate wants answers about the UFOs that are causing havoc with naval
> aircraft operations.
>
> Senator Warner wants answers. It doesn't matter if it's weather balloons,
> little green men, or something else entirely — we can't ask our pilots to
> put their lives at risk unnecessarily," Rachel Cohen, the spokeswoman for
> Democratic Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, told CNN.
>
> How about 47 foot EVOs. Would that also be a concern for the lawmakers?
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin notes: “When some facts are hidden, they are forced to make decisions 
based on
guesswork, which has a greater chance of leading to silly decisions, because
some of those guesses will be wrong.”



I agree.



The Standard Model is a big guess IMHO with 20 odd empirical constants 
incorporated to give it a semblance of a logical basis, without a physics model 
of reality.



The Brookings report of 1960 regarding NASA sponsored research (identified by 
Terry) may have envisioned such modeling of virtual reality as a result of 
collective values of some scientific practioners wanting to maintain the status 
quo.



Bob Cook





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From: mix...@bigpond.com 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 12:52:30 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:53:01 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>I think they are following still the guidance offered in the Brookings
>Report:
>
>https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19640053196.pdf

At first glance, my impression is that like most people in power they tend to
believe that they are best placed to wield that power, and make decisions on
behalf of everyone else.

What none appear to have realized is that given the truth, society is far more
capable of adjusting to any situation than anyone (or any group) in a leadership
position could possibly achieve.
This is because each person in society makes their own decision on what is best
for them, in any given circumstance. This is decision making on such a vast
scale that it is impossible to achieve centrally.

People tend to make the most sensible decisions when given all the facts.

When some facts are hidden, they are forced to make decisions based on
guesswork, which has a greater chance of leading to silly decisions, because
some of those guesses will be wrong.

Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[mixent]

In reply to  Lennart Thornros's message of Fri, 21 Jun 2019 07:02:52 -0400:
Hi,
>If there is such a nonaggression pact. Shouldn't we the people 've
>informed? Why is that secret.? W go benefits from the secrecy?
>Lennart Thornros
[snip]
1) Yes, we should be informed.
2) It's secret because those in power assume massive panic if the word got out.
They are wrong BTW, if *all* the facts are presented, rather than a selection,
then for almost everyone, life would just go on as normal, because if would be
obvious that the situation has been going on for a long time, and essentially
nothing has changed. 
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[mixent]

In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:53:01 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>I think they are following still the guidance offered in the Brookings
>Report:
>
>https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19640053196.pdf

At first glance, my impression is that like most people in power they tend to
believe that they are best placed to wield that power, and make decisions on
behalf of everyone else.

What none appear to have realized is that given the truth, society is far more
capable of adjusting to any situation than anyone (or any group) in a leadership
position could possibly achieve. 
This is because each person in society makes their own decision on what is best
for them, in any given circumstance. This is decision making on such a vast
scale that it is impossible to achieve centrally.

People tend to make the most sensible decisions when given all the facts.

When some facts are hidden, they are forced to make decisions based on
guesswork, which has a greater chance of leading to silly decisions, because
some of those guesses will be wrong.

Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[Terry Blanton]

I think they are following still the guidance offered in the Brookings
Report:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19640053196.pdf


>>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[Lennart Thornros]

If there is such a nonaggression pact. Shouldn't we the people 've
informed? Why is that secret.? W go benefits from the secrecy?
Lennart Thornros

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 23:44  wrote:

> In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Thu, 20 Jun 2019 22:55:29 -0400:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> 1) The President doesn't believe they are extra-terrestrial, and also isn't
> worried.
> 2) If they were "home grown" no senate briefing would have been needed.
>
>
> Not worried implies they are already known not to be a threat.
>
> Conclusion: The source is a terrestrial entity that is not a threat.
>
> The capabilities are clearly beyond anything we have. Since we don't
> already
> have the technology, the owners are not going to share their technology,
> but
> have promised not to harm us unless attacked.
>
> Conclusion:- The government already knows that there is an existing
> extra-terrestrial presence here on Earth, and they have a signed a
> "non-aggression" pact with them.
> Regards,
>
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> local asymmetry = temporary success
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[mixent]

In reply to  mix...@bigpond.com's message of Fri, 21 Jun 2019 13:44:42 +1000:
Hi,
[snip]
PS - The non-aggression pact guarantees that they are no danger to the navy.
They simply get out of the way. :)

Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Thu, 20 Jun 2019 22:55:29 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
1) The President doesn't believe they are extra-terrestrial, and also isn't
worried.
2) If they were "home grown" no senate briefing would have been needed.


Not worried implies they are already known not to be a threat.

Conclusion: The source is a terrestrial entity that is not a threat.

The capabilities are clearly beyond anything we have. Since we don't already
have the technology, the owners are not going to share their technology, but
have promised not to harm us unless attacked.

Conclusion:- The government already knows that there is an existing
extra-terrestrial presence here on Earth, and they have a signed a
"non-aggression" pact with them.
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[Axil Axil]

https://youtu.be/2F_EF8kcEKw

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 8:05 PM Axil Axil  wrote:

>   Congress up in arms
>
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-briefs-us-senators/index.html
>
> The Senate wants answers about the UFOs that are causing havoc with naval
> aircraft operations.
>
> Senator Warner wants answers. It doesn't matter if it's weather balloons,
> little green men, or something else entirely — we can't ask our pilots to
> put their lives at risk unnecessarily," Rachel Cohen, the spokeswoman for
> Democratic Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, told CNN.
>
> How about 47 foot EVOs. Would that also be a concern for the lawmakers?
>
>

[Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[Axil Axil]

  Congress up in arms

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-briefs-us-senators/index.html

The Senate wants answers about the UFOs that are causing havoc with naval
aircraft operations.

Senator Warner wants answers. It doesn't matter if it's weather balloons,
little green men, or something else entirely — we can't ask our pilots to
put their lives at risk unnecessarily," Rachel Cohen, the spokeswoman for
Democratic Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, told CNN.

How about 47 foot EVOs. Would that also be a concern for the lawmakers?