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In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:27:40 -0400: Hi, [snip] Have you approached CSIRO? From memory I spoke to someone there a couple of years back, but without any luck. Are APRA-E funds limited to US residents? US companies. (I could probably approach them through a partnership with a US company however.) Though I would need to overcome my paranoid instincts to approach the US government. However as a (second) last resort, I would do it. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
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Have you approached CSIRO? Are APRA-E funds limited to US residents? Terry On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:38 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I might just have that tech miracle, but can't find anyone willing to take a gamble on a rank outsider. Maybe the world actually needs to be in the grip of a full fledged depression before government gets desperate enough to try a long shot. As an example of our own governments actions - they are willing to put the country in debt to the tune of AUD 300 billion pursuing conventional cures for the recession (including a AUD 45 billion cash handout), but are unwilling to even give a hearing to someone that only needs a 100 grand for an experiment that could end up tripling the nations GNP. If I sound frustrated, it's because I am. :( Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Jones Beenejone...@pacbell.net wrote: …only some clerk accidentally mistyped a date that was off by one year, somewhere in transposing the Hubbert’s curve database to the program ;-) ROFL! The $10B fat-fingered foul-up. Good one. Terry
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Terry sez: …only some clerk accidentally mistyped a date that was off by one year, somewhere in transposing the Hubbert’s curve database to the program ;-) ROFL! The $10B fat-fingered foul-up. Good one. Blame it on Achebald Buttle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(film) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Ackshully it was a bug. A real bug. The loss was a lot more than $10B if you include the potential gains. Terry On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:09 PM, OrionWorkssvj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Terry sez: …only some clerk accidentally mistyped a date that was off by one year, somewhere in transposing the Hubbert’s curve database to the program ;-) ROFL! The $10B fat-fingered foul-up. Good one. Blame it on Achebald Buttle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(film) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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This thread is a neat nugget of speculative fiction, reminiscent of the science fiction of the 40's and 50's, exploring the consequences of emerging technologies. Indeed, the emergence of LENR and BLP technologies will be disruptive of established political and economic systems based on the control of energy sources. What is not stated, is that propagation of the new devices is a massive industrial enterprise which may be undertaken at many, many places. The pervasive microelectronics technology now enjoyed by hundreds of millions, is ultimately dependent on a small number of very sophisticated semiconductor 'founderies'. The largest of these are billion-dollar investments and require a very disciplined and skilled infrastructure to keep going. Yet microcircuits do fail, and without the foundaries, human civilization would slowly sink back to the '40's technology -- or lower, for the vacuum tube technology would be forgotten. Point being, a new kind of civilization awaits out children. It can be a propersous one, not necessarily a gloomy one. Remember that fundamentally, it is the energy available to each individual which is a measure of the level of a civilization -- and that indicator can be strongly positive. Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dateline: 2013 I just received a new email from an unknown IP source and unknown origin. The time stamp appears to be from a distant undefined future reference point. Vince appears to be back at it: -- I see a few on this group list have bravely speculated about interesting events that may transpire between they years of 2010 and 2013. I'd have to say that 2013 was not one of my better years. In hindsight I should never have reported on Mr. Suggins and that damned sledge hammer of his. The few unedited history books that I've been able to get my hands on concerning early 21st century geopolitical events do not seem to have singled out a collapse of the American economy as having been of much historical significance. Perhaps it wasn't that big of a deal. Or perhaps the lack of interest may have been due to the larger scope of the global economic collapse being experienced by the rest of the planet. I could see how few on the planet, especially the historians, would have given a rat's ass about the economic hardships transpiring within the United States and their stockpiles of Hummers and SUVs grinding to a screeching halt. The history books seem more filled with reports of the global economy reeling from the effects of severe mega-weather patterns that increasingly began disrupting everyone's lives in unimaginable ways. Head for the hills! was a battle call expressed by many. In hindsight when looking back at what transpired in the early 21st century, the historians seem mostly in agreement over the fact that there simply wasn't enough time for vast sectors of the entrenched global economy to absorb the impact of what had been unleashed. In a sense, there was insufficient central planning, a concept I find highly ironic considering what happened next. What happened next was a totally unexpected invasion of disruptive technologies that quickly pervaded every corner of the planet. They spread like an unstoppable pandemic - viruses consisting primarily of cheap new communication services, super efficient lighting and building materials, and pervasive cheap micro-energy production technologies. They rippled through the planet affecting the global economy like a swarm of African bees leaving nothing untouched. Devastated were most of the major utility sectors, along with countries that had unwisely based their economies on a single exportable product. Meanwhile, as various sectors of the global economic fabric collapsed like a stack of teetering dominoes, others sprang up in their place, sometimes almost overnight, skyrocketing their way towards the stratosphere of success. After the smoke cleared what was left was a new breed of thriving decentralized economic systems that behaved more like a high-tech web of interconnected villages that quickly learned how to barter with one another for goods and services. These new emergent systems easily toppled the already weakened centralized and nationally run economies. The new global economy had transformed itself into something akin to a decentralized organism that no longer needed a centralized brain to run efficiently. It behaved more like clusters of multi-cellular coral organisms. The beauty of this new system was that it was far more robust and self-healing than any previous economic system known to man. Biology experiments that deliberately tore apart multi-cellular clusters of coral organisms noticed that these traumatized cellular organisms would eventually reorganize themselves back into self-regulating multi-cellular
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I appreciate this techno-anarchist vision as offering a measure of hope. I can remember Tom Paine's writings about the American Revolution saying 'let the trouble occur in my day so that my children will live in peace' . Today, we place our grandkids in hopeless debt, by contrast. Global economic collapse may be the price we would pay for radical new technology but on the other hand, it may not matter anymore, given the fragility of international markets.
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In reply to Chris Zell's message of Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:48:03 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Global economic collapse may be the price we would pay for radical new technology but on the other hand, it may not matter anymore, given the fragility of international markets. [snip] I suspect that global economic collapse is the price we will pay for *not* implementing it. Without it, population growth and the end of oil will ensure that. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
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Your comments suggest that we have our backs against the wall. I feel impelled to agree and I am actually glad to see such comments. Economics is called the dismal science for good reason. Science and academia do not exist in isolation. As more and more facts are revealed, it is apparent that we are in much bigger trouble than our leaders have thought. If the recession doesn't end in a few months, it will become a global depression by definition. There have been times when the US was faced with defeat and encountered a miracle. The US had only enough rubber to fight WW2 for a few months - and suddenly discovered synthetic rubber. I'm sorry to say that we need a similar tech miracle but I don't see an alternative.
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Chris Zell wrote: * There have been times when the US was faced with defeat and encountered a miracle. The US had only enough rubber to fight WW2 for a few months - and suddenly discovered synthetic rubber. The was comparatively minor compared to what writer W.L. Laurence the Great Five Year Miracle that Saved the World with regard to the Nazis / Fascists being denied the A-bomb, following Fermis discovery of fission, in Italy, which happen years before he made a quick exit to the USA. IOW our blessed nation pretty much backed into this technology, using mainly the expertise of Jewish scientists, escaping from the bigotry that could have resulted in world domination, had they not been so bold. Irony of ironies: http://www.hcc.mnscu.edu/chem/abomb/page_id_4305.html A curious part of that particular miracle was that Laura Fermi, wife of Enrico, was an American. In 1938, the Fermis immigrated to the United States to escape the anti-Semitic politics of the Fascist government of Mussolini, close ally to Hitler. Laura was Jewish, but Enrico was not, yet the bigotry ran so deep in the Nazi and Fascist regimes that even association by marriage would have sent them both to the concentration camps. Another more recent near miss incident that no one has yet classified as a miracle or even discussed for that matter (due to lack of new details) deserves mentioning. Remember the so-called Bin Laden trades ? Thread starts here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg22284.html This happened a year before the recent stock market crash, but looking back on it, it is almost as if it served to deny some group what could have been a $50 billion gain, instead of perhaps what ended up as a $10 billion loss. There were denials from insiders at the time, which sound even more ludicrous today than then, that anything was amiss: http://www.thestreet.com/story/10377063/dispelling-the-bin-laden-options-tra des.html LOL so called box-trades would never go that deep, but the denial did serve to silence the inquisitive, since nothing else seemed to fit the situation, and no new revelations were forthcoming. yet, I had had half-expected some ambitious investigative journalist to provide a final answer to the situation by now, but that has not happened . Presumably this incident could have been orchestrated by an enemy, and perhaps it was the Bin Laden family or another Saudi group, but it could have been related to one of the rogue traders at two investment banking firms that went under in the same time period Curious story, that one but little more than a footnote in history, and one that we will probably never know the answer to, unless some insider decides to come clean but with the benefit of hindsight - one has to laugh at the naiveté of the predominant insider opinion at the time: that a market drop of 1/3 is extreme by any standards and could never happen. Yet one year later it did happen. In retrospect, these trades were likely the result of someones very sophisticated computer program, which was accurately predicting the very event that later happened only some clerk accidentally mistyped a date that was off by one year, somewhere in transposing the Hubberts curve database to the program ;-) Jones
Re: [Vo]:Dateline: 2013
- Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 11:38 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dateline: 2013 In reply to Chris Zell's message of Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:38:21 - 0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Your comments suggest that we have our backs against the wall. I feel impelled to agree and I am actually glad to see such comments. Economics is called the dismal science for good reason. Science and academia do not exist in isolation. As more and more facts are revealed, it is apparent that we are in much bigger trouble than our leaders have thought. If the recession doesn't end in a few months, it will become a global depression by definition. There have been times when the US was faced with defeat and encountered a miracle. The US had only enough rubber to fight WW2 for a few months - and suddenly discovered synthetic rubber. I'm sorry to say that we need a similar tech miracle but I don't see an alternative. I might just have that tech miracle, but can't find anyone willing to take a gamble on a rank outsider. Maybe the world actually needs to be in the grip of a full fledged depression before government gets desperate enough to try a long shot. As an example of our own governments actions - they are willing to put the country in debt to the tune of AUD 300 billion pursuing conventional cures for the recession (including a AUD 45 billion cash handout), but are unwilling to even give a hearing to someone that only needs a 100 grand for an experimentthat could end up tripling the nations GNP. If I sound frustrated, it's because I am. :( Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html we need new physical AND social technology. Harry
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I just received a new email from an unknown IP source and unknown origin. The time stamp appears to be from a distant undefined future reference point. Vince appears to be back at it: -- I see a few on this group list have bravely speculated about interesting events that may transpire between they years of 2010 and 2013. I'd have to say that 2013 was not one of my better years. In hindsight I should never have reported on Mr. Suggins and that damned sledge hammer of his. The few unedited history books that I've been able to get my hands on concerning early 21st century geopolitical events do not seem to have singled out a collapse of the American economy as having been of much historical significance. Perhaps it wasn't that big of a deal. Or perhaps the lack of interest may have been due to the larger scope of the global economic collapse being experienced by the rest of the planet. I could see how few on the planet, especially the historians, would have given a rat's ass about the economic hardships transpiring within the United States and their stockpiles of Hummers and SUVs grinding to a screeching halt. The history books seem more filled with reports of the global economy reeling from the effects of severe mega-weather patterns that increasingly began disrupting everyone's lives in unimaginable ways. Head for the hills! was a battle call expressed by many. In hindsight when looking back at what transpired in the early 21st century, the historians seem mostly in agreement over the fact that there simply wasn't enough time for vast sectors of the entrenched global economy to absorb the impact of what had been unleashed. In a sense, there was insufficient central planning, a concept I find highly ironic considering what happened next. What happened next was a totally unexpected invasion of disruptive technologies that quickly pervaded every corner of the planet. They spread like an unstoppable pandemic - viruses consisting primarily of cheap new communication services, super efficient lighting and building materials, and pervasive cheap micro-energy production technologies. They rippled through the planet affecting the global economy like a swarm of African bees leaving nothing untouched. Devastated were most of the major utility sectors, along with countries that had unwisely based their economies on a single exportable product. Meanwhile, as various sectors of the global economic fabric collapsed like a stack of teetering dominoes, others sprang up in their place, sometimes almost overnight, skyrocketing their way towards the stratosphere of success. After the smoke cleared what was left was a new breed of thriving decentralized economic systems that behaved more like a high-tech web of interconnected villages that quickly learned how to barter with one another for goods and services. These new emergent systems easily toppled the already weakened centralized and nationally run economies. The new global economy had transformed itself into something akin to a decentralized organism that no longer needed a centralized brain to run efficiently. It behaved more like clusters of multi-cellular coral organisms. The beauty of this new system was that it was far more robust and self-healing than any previous economic system known to man. Biology experiments that deliberately tore apart multi-cellular clusters of coral organisms noticed that these traumatized cellular organisms would eventually reorganize themselves back into self-regulating multi-cellular organisms. And so, apparently did the new emergent village economies. I would imagine that some readers on this list group are wondering if COLD FUSION was partially to blame (or to be praised) for the sudden economic collapse and subsequent restructuring of the global economy. All I can say on this topic is that there is very little literature on the scientific term, COLD FUSION. From what I can tell, new sources of cheap ubiquitous energy were called by so many different names that it has been difficult for me to track down what or where most of them originated. I see lots of wind, solar, geothermal, technologies. But I also see a pervasive number of exotic electromagnetic technologies that go by names (and terminologies) that I can't even pronounce. I do notice that the word fusion occasionally pops up in some of the fine print concerning many exotic electromagnetic technologies, but in what manner – I haven't a clue. Certainly, I'll grant it is conceivable that the ruminants of early 21st century COLD FUSION research may have eventually evolved into some of these new pervasive energy sources. But to be honest, I just don't know. If I can stay put long enough in one of the more stable time zones, where I don't have to worry about the time police catching wind of my whereabouts I might be inclined to do a little historical research on this matter. But, right now keeping one foot in time and the other out seems to
[Vo]:Dateline: 2013
There are many reasons why the dollar and the US economy collapsed in 2013. Historians offer many opinions on the chain of events that led to the Federal government defaulting on its debt. However, one factor is widely agreed upon: The sudden emergence of Cold Fusion - while hailed as progress in the global warming fight - caused economic collapse in utilities and the use and trade balance related export of coal as a triggering event. It did little, however, to reduce massive US imports of oil which kept weakening an already fragile currency because the generation of more electricity was not generally related to transportation or chemical feedstocks. Looking back on the event and the worldwide depression we now live in, at least global warming has declined as a threat due to the massive drop in fossil energy use now associated with global poverty.
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Nicely done and very near the truth, but with this additional information that recently came to light. Further analysis reveals that the first use of cold fusion was in China where it helped the government off set the collapse in the dollar in 2010 by reducing the country's use of oil. This secret program was not known to the world at the time and now explains why the use of oil by China abruptly dropped and continues to decline. At the same time, the use of oil by the US and the West continued to rise until the final economic collapse in 2013 when the success of the Chinese was finally discovered. Ed On Jun 21, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Chris Zell wrote: There are many reasons why the dollar and the US economy collapsed in 2013. Historians offer many opinions on the chain of events that led to the Federal government defaulting on its debt. However, one factor is widely agreed upon: The sudden emergence of Cold Fusion - while hailed as progress in the global warming fight - caused economic collapse in utilities and the use and trade balance related export of coal as a triggering event. It did little, however, to reduce massive US imports of oil which kept weakening an already fragile currency because the generation of more electricity was not generally related to transportation or chemical feedstocks. Looking back on the event and the worldwide depression we now live in, at least global warming has declined as a threat due to the massive drop in fossil energy use now associated with global poverty.
