Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo
You bring up an interesting point Robin. Does anyone know of the exact location of the Tout test point? I am wondering whether this is measuring the temperature of a metallic path to the device or just the water outlet. My suspicion is that the water is being ejected from the cooling tube by pulses of gas that develop at very hot points somewhat like vapor locks. This is because I find it difficult to believe that there is any way the pressure associated with the 150 C or so temperatures shown could exist in this setup. This brings back memories of the ideal location that Rossi chose to position his thermocouple in one of his demonstrations where we could not be confident that the water was at the reading temperature. Regardless of the exact measurements, the fact that they used an inactive control demonstrated that their device definitely puts out plenty of excess heat. The exact COP is unknown to me, but it was over unity and it will be interesting to hear what the skeptics have to say about this test. One day most of them will find a rock cover and slowly wiggle out of sight. Defkalion, well done guys! Next time try to allow independent scientists the opportunity to make the tests to improve credibility to the general viewers. Also, I hope that you demonstrate a better method of control which does not require a PhD in controlology to keep the device running at the desired output level! Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:23 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo In reply to Craig's message of Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:06:28 -0400: Hi, [snip] Looks like ignition! http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US Craig I wonder why T_out is coloured, while all the other numbers are black? Is this possibly indicative of an error condition? (If so then the output energy calculation is not reliable.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo
Test is looking professional so far and promising. One concern for me though is that after all that careful flow calibration, they switched the water flow from bucket to sink - thereby changing the system under test. For example, by restricting water flow using a hidden control valve, they might cause the system to run much hotter even though the pump is doing the same work and could therefore report a much greater flow than is actually the case. Obviously, the wires need to be cut at the end of the test to check for sub-wires (or coax) that could deceive the clamp on meters. There is a labyrinth of redundant wires that should be disconnected if possible. Not happy about the interruption of the video stream, hope the observers check for tampering during this time. Charles
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo
The pre-recorded movie that shows the layout of the Defkalion reactor and test plan is here: http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US/videos/25223839 - Brad On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Charles Francis fran...@datacomm.chwrote: Test is looking professional so far and promising. One concern for me though is that after all that careful flow calibration, they switched the water flow from bucket to sink – thereby changing the system under test. For example, by restricting water flow using a hidden control valve, they might cause the system to run much hotter even though the pump is doing the same work and could therefore report a much greater flow than is actually the case. Obviously, the wires need to be cut at the end of the test to check for sub-wires (or coax) that could deceive the clamp on meters. There is a labyrinth of redundant wires that should be disconnected if possible. Not happy about the interruption of the video stream, hope the observers check for tampering during this time. ** ** Charles
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo
Keep in mind that this is a demonstration, and not an experiment. There will certainly be several things that will come up which will eventually need to be addressed, as has happened in every demonstration. But if this group is getting the same results as Rossi, with the same methodology, then that's the best sign of all that the results are what they appear to be. Craig On 07/23/2013 01:10 PM, Charles Francis wrote: Test is looking professional so far and promising. One concern for me though is that after all that careful flow calibration, they switched the water flow from bucket to sink – thereby changing the system under test. For example, by restricting water flow using a hidden control valve, they might cause the system to run much hotter even though the pump is doing the same work and could therefore report a much greater flow than is actually the case. Obviously, the wires need to be cut at the end of the test to check for sub-wires (or coax) that could deceive the clamp on meters. There is a labyrinth of redundant wires that should be disconnected if possible. Not happy about the interruption of the video stream, hope the observers check for tampering during this time. Charles
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo
Looks like ignition! http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US Craig
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo
In reply to Craig's message of Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:06:28 -0400: Hi, [snip] Looks like ignition! http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US Craig I wonder why T_out is coloured, while all the other numbers are black? Is this possibly indicative of an error condition? (If so then the output energy calculation is not reliable.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo
wonder why T_out is coloured, while all the other numbers are black? Is this possibly indicative of an error condition? Interesting speculation. Are you familiar with LabView and that's why you say that? I think I'd be more concerned about them juking the flow rate as steam was coming out when high temps were reached. If flow rate remained consistent throughout the experiment and assuming the water wasn't collecting somewhere out of sight, then the only thing you need to worry about is input energy - right? On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:23 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Craig's message of Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:06:28 -0400: Hi, [snip] Looks like ignition! http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US Craig I (If so then the output energy calculation is not reliable.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo
In reply to blaze spinnaker's message of Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:42:10 -0700: Hi, [snip] wonder why T_out is coloured, while all the other numbers are black? Is this possibly indicative of an error condition? Interesting speculation. Are you familiar with LabView and that's why you say that? No, I'm not familiar with LabView, but it's the sort of thing I might do myself if I were programming it. That's why I ask. I think I'd be more concerned about them juking the flow rate as steam was coming out when high temps were reached. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
