[Vo]:E-CAT Home to be $50/kW
On Rossi's JONP - http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=11#comment-169012 Andrea Rossi January 13th, 2012 at 3:03 AM Dear Albert Ellul: Thank you. The big science, after trying to ridiculize us, now has understood that the E-Cat works, so now they are trying to copy and make patents to overcome us, discourage us and trying with this sophysticated way to stop us under a disguise of an indirect vindication. Is a smart move, but they are underevaluating us. I will never stop, within one year we will start the delivery of million pieces at 50 $/kW, with a totally new concept, at that point the game will be over. This technology must be popular, must cost a very low price, must be a real revoluton, not a bunch of theoretical (wrong) chatters. Warm Regards, A.R. The price is really tumbling now.
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I've been thinking about this a little more and am starting to wonder how Rossi is able to achieve such a low price. At $500 for 10kW, that's way lower than any conventional boiler that I know of. I'd image the actual process of machining and automated assembly, of the unit can be kept quite low with the volumes Rossi is talking about but what about the instrumentation and control costs? I would have thought that they would be a significant cost in the production of the unit. NI must have come up with some smart and economical ways for performing the monitoring and control of the device. I would also hope that each device is tested before being packaged for shipping which must involve some manual labour and so would account for a significant portion of the device's production cost. There is also the industrial design aspect. Rossi must have come up with some sort of design for an enclosure for the unit which must be cheap to manufacture and easy to remove for refuelling. On 13/01/12 10:53, Energy Liberator wrote: On Rossi's JONP - http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=11#comment-169012 Andrea Rossi January 13th, 2012 at 3:03 AM Dear Albert Ellul: Thank you. The big science, after trying to ridiculize us, now has understood that the E-Cat works, so now they are trying to copy and make patents to overcome us, discourage us and trying with this sophysticated way to stop us under a disguise of an indirect vindication. Is a smart move, but they are underevaluating us. I will never stop, within one year we will start the delivery of million pieces at 50 $/kW, with a totally new concept, at that point the game will be over. This technology must be popular, must cost a very low price, must be a real revoluton, not a bunch of theoretical (wrong) chatters. Warm Regards, A.R. The price is really tumbling now.
Re: [Vo]:E-CAT Home to be $50/kW
Just because the price is so low per kilowatt doesn't mean that you can buy it per kilowatt. I imagine that that's the price for the big ones, and the smaller ones are more expensive. Joe -- Dr Joe Karthauser On 13 Jan 2012, at 15:28, Energy Liberator energylibera...@gmail.com wrote: I've been thinking about this a little more and am starting to wonder how Rossi is able to achieve such a low price. At $500 for 10kW, that's way lower than any conventional boiler that I know of. I'd image the actual process of machining and automated assembly, of the unit can be kept quite low with the volumes Rossi is talking about but what about the instrumentation and control costs? I would have thought that they would be a significant cost in the production of the unit. NI must have come up with some smart and economical ways for performing the monitoring and control of the device. I would also hope that each device is tested before being packaged for shipping which must involve some manual labour and so would account for a significant portion of the device's production cost. There is also the industrial design aspect. Rossi must have come up with some sort of design for an enclosure for the unit which must be cheap to manufacture and easy to remove for refuelling. On 13/01/12 10:53, Energy Liberator wrote: On Rossi's JONP - http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=11#comment-169012 Andrea Rossi January 13th, 2012 at 3:03 AM Dear Albert Ellul: Thank you. The big science, after trying to ridiculize us, now has understood that the E-Cat works, so now they are trying to copy and make patents to overcome us, discourage us and trying with this sophysticated way to stop us under a disguise of an indirect vindication. Is a smart move, but they are underevaluating us. I will never stop, within one year we will start the delivery of million pieces at 50 $/kW, with a totally new concept, at that point the game will be over. This technology must be popular, must cost a very low price, must be a real revoluton, not a bunch of theoretical (wrong) chatters. Warm Regards, A.R. The price is really tumbling now.
Re: [Vo]:E-CAT Home to be $50/kW
My understanding is that the low price per kilowatt only applies to the domestic e-cat which are 10kW. The e-cats in the 1MW plant use a different reactor and are more expensive at $1500/kW. On 13/01/12 15:46, Dr Joe Karthauser wrote: Just because the price is so low per kilowatt doesn't mean that you can buy it per kilowatt. I imagine that that's the price for the big ones, and the smaller ones are more expensive. Joe -- Dr Joe Karthauser On 13 Jan 2012, at 15:28, Energy Liberator energylibera...@gmail.com wrote: I've been thinking about this a little more and am starting to wonder how Rossi is able to achieve such a low price. At $500 for 10kW, that's way lower than any conventional boiler that I know of. I'd image the actual process of machining and automated assembly, of the unit can be kept quite low with the volumes Rossi is talking about but what about the instrumentation and control costs? I would have thought that they would be a significant cost in the production of the unit. NI must have come up with some smart and economical ways for performing the monitoring and control of the device. I would also hope that each device is tested before being packaged for shipping which must involve some manual labour and so would account for a significant portion of the device's production cost. There is also the industrial design aspect. Rossi must have come up with some sort of design for an enclosure for the unit which must be cheap to manufacture and easy to remove for refuelling.
Re: [Vo]:E-CAT Home to be $50/kW
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Energy Liberator energylibera...@gmail.com wrote: The price is really tumbling now. If I didn't have one to sell, I'd offer it to you cheap too. Just saying... nobody who has ever talked about it has ever bought an E-cat from Rossi .
Re: [Vo]:E-CAT Home to be $50/kW
If an e-cat is really nothing but a boiler with a steel core, some electronics (wouldn't be multi-purpose but possibly on a single ASIC), a heater element and connectors for some kind of heat exchanger, I'd expect a small home unit to cost about $ 400 to produce and ship from China. This is about what simple 1-cylinder 4-stroke engines cost. I don't know about nickel in the purities allegedly required and whatever else Rossi claims to use as a catalyst and all that - but looking at how primitive the equipment in Rossi's demo setups seems to be, it would probably be even cheaper. Lets say $300 per. If he plans to sell a million of them and a unit is rated at 10 kW and he sells them for $50/kW, he'd turn over $500 million at $300 million cost. That leaves $200 million gross margin to cover development, testing, certification for a bunch of markets, marketing, sales, administration (most of all that up front), capital cost etc. and of course profit to do all the good things Rossi promised when he set out. I have a hard time to believe that an e-cat works at all (in fact I don't) but even IF it works - it will surely be significantly more expensive than $50/kW for any size. And as long as there is no competition, he'd be crazy to sell them so low anyway.
