Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly...
Eric, Your calculations are correct, but present a problem. At least to me. It is very easy to generate a broad spectrum with a peak of some 30THz. Just heat up your cooking plate, so to say. The problem -to my opinion- is twofold: a) spatial: Any emitter has a certain area-density of emission. and the best we can do is concentrate this emission onto the receiver 1:1, on said area basis. The sun being a good example. Surface-temperature of the sun being say 5000K. You never can surpass this temperature at the receiving side (via a burning glass or concentrating mirror). Emitters like the sun or a heating plate are variants of Lambert-emitters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamberts_cosine_law To collect all those emissions, you need a big lens, especially if emitter and receiver are whithin close distance (unlike the sun) b) spectral now, if You want say 30--30.1THz, you cut out only a small segment of the whole emission. The smaller the interval of interest, the smaller the amount of energy within that, right? If You translate this to area-density, You get uW to mW at best per mm2. Now, to overcome this, you need a generator, like a Laser or some other electronic device (RF-generator) with an antenna, which would look quite cute, like a wood of nanowires. Now in the 30THz regime there are no generators, only Lasers. (Electronic generators in the 30GHz regime are quite a feat currently. And those are extremely low power. See eg LeCroy, the oscilloscope-manufacturer. They try to conquer the 100Ghz regime, which is 0.1THz, a meager factor of 300 below 30THz. ) THz lasers (say: 5THz) of significant power are a research topic. Google High power THz Laser and You see what I mean. The highest I could see is a theoretical power of 100W with efficiency in the 1%-region. So this is not an attractive option. As a final comment: To bring a nanostrucure into resonance needs, say a certain specific frequency with a bandwidth of 1%. This is just a reasonable guess. All other frequencies present possibly/probably -I do not know- HINDER/PREVENT the effect! The philosopher in me sees this as a feature, not a bug in the construction of the Universe. In the other case it would have exploded long time ago, So the stability of the universe, as we experience it, is a living proof for affairs as they are. A tautology this is. This is not quite the same as the anthropic principle, but some close relative. Tricking this is a nifty endeavor. Guenter Von: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 4:56 Freitag, 27.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: guys, whatever that is, do You really think that Rossi put something like that into real world commercial operation? THz pulses with significant energy? From my reading I've concluded that THz is basically infrared. Sometimes I've seen a distinction made between it and infrared, and at other times I have not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Light_spectrum.svg An application on a Web page is telling me that the blackbody radiation for an object at 300 C (573 K) is 30 THz, with a lower limit of 24 THz and an upper limit of 37 THz. So 300 C would seem to be the goldilocks zone as far as terahertz radiation is concerned. You don't need a fancy terahertz RF pulse device; you just heat something up. Eric
RE: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly...
I’ve toned it down for public consumption… Guenter: 1. Nobody was suggesting that Rossi implemented THz technology in his unit… 2. Whenever we see some developments which are interesting, we share that info here… 3. For your information, this forum is NOT a Rossi/E-Cat/LENR only forum. It has existed for DECADES, and many of the regular contributors have been here from the start; you’ve only been here for what, less than a year? 4. I suggest you read the founder’s explanation of what Vortex-l is here for…. http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html “The Vortex-L list was originally created for discussions of professional research into fluid vortex/cavitation devices which exhibit anomalous energy effects (i.e., the inventions of Schaeffer, Huffman, Griggs, and Potapov among others.) Currently it has evolved into a discussion on taboo physics reports and research. SKEPTICS BEWARE, the topics wander from Cold Fusion, to reports of excess energy in Free Energy devices, gravity generation and detection, reports of theoretically impossible phenomena, and all sorts of supposedly crackpot claims. Before you subscribe, please see the rules below. This is a public, lightly- moderated smartlist list. There is no charge, but donations towards expenses are recommended.” I would argue that the discussion thread on THz coupling directly into lattice vibrations is a helluva lot more relevant to this forum’s purpose than the political/philosophical crap you’ve been spewing out in copious amounts lately. “Did you ever build something slightly sophisticated? If not, shut up and retreat to your cave or listen to people who did.” Yeah, several things in fact; the latest being a RF/microwave (20+GHz) technology (sensors and algorithms) to noninvasively measure a person’s blood sugar… “Citing something exotic does not make it operational.” As explained above, *this forum exists explicitly for the purpose of discussing the exotic*; operational or not! And for your information, THz-based technologies are being commercialized, so the technology has operational products. http://www.wi-ltd.com/security/Scanning_and_Screening/X_Ray_and_Screening_Systems/People_Scanners/WG_Body_Passive_Terahertz_Scanner I suggest you learn to hit the ‘delete’ key… it’s not all that difficult, and takes much less time than posting an arrogant, condescending message. -Mark From: Guenter Wildgruber [mailto:gwildgru...@ymail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:17 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... guys, whatever that is, do You really think that Rossi put something like that into real world commercial operation? THz pulses with significant energy? on a partial cost basis of say $100 of his ecat-3. Sorry to say: You must be completely deluded and have not idea what technology is all about. Did you ever build something slightly sophisticated? If not, shut up and retreat to your cave or listen to people who did. Citing something exotic does not make it operational, Daily techno-gossip is full of crap like this. GET REAL! Very annoyed. Plus: Dear Lou. If You cite crappy points from dkos, please elaborate. I have no problem if You attack me directly. I will respond accordingly. Please be warned! Guenter _ Von: pagnu...@htdconnect.com pagnu...@htdconnect.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 0:00 Freitag, 27.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... According to this news item, THz radiation also induces ballistic current flow in some semiconductors. I am curious if this can occur in semiconductors containing, or in contact with, hydrides. The author has a number of papers in arxiv.org. -- Lou Pagnucco Mark Iverson wrote: Terahertz radiation can induce insulator-to-metal change of state in some materials http://phys.org/news/2012-07-terahertz-insulator-to-metal-state-materials.ht ml the researchers used an antenna-like structure called a split ring resonator to concentrate the electric field of a THz pulse in a small area, increasing the electric field from hundreds of kilovolts per centimeter to about 4 megavolts per centimeter. Is there anything about H-loaded metals with shallow fractures, or Ni tubercles, which might act like a split-ring resonator? .because THz frequencies match the resonant frequencies at which neighboring atoms and molecules in crystal lattices vibrate against each other, *THz pulses can drive the lattice vibrations directly*-possibly to large amplitudes. THz light can drive electrons and whole atoms and molecules far from their equilibrium locations in a crystal lattice, which can lead to phase transitions in electronic state and/or crystal structure. -Mark Iverson
Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly...
Guenter, We certainly don't think anyone is intentionally creating efficent THZ pulses but there is a very difficult to reproduce anomaly in play which is why we historically vet suggestions like Mark's with an open mind. we have slowly and painfully tried to fit different puzzle pieces into place only to find none of the traditional pieces fit - this site is dedicated to considering the more exotic possibilities when traditional explanations just don't work. If you have read any of my posts you know I advocate a Puthoff like atomic model and share his opinions regarding vacuum engineering with a pinch of Jan Naudts relativistic explanation for hydrogen in a lattice being equivalent to hydrogen expelled from the suns corona at relativistic speed [without the need for high velocity spatial displacement - It is these relativistic anomalies created by the tubules or nano geometry that lend support to Mark's suggestion as frequencies are up and down converted by direct manipulation of space-time via suppression / Casimir geometries. We know that many of these claims rest upon different methods of agitation that all seem to have properties that result in changing the geometry.when you are talking changes in distance based on 1/a^4 you can create huge swings in the Casimir value [dynamic Casimir effect ?] with very little energy -my pet theory being it discounts the amount of energy needed to disassociate any h2 to the point where more energy is released upon the reassociation at the new Casimir value than it takes in heat energy to cause the disassociation -harnessing this change in pressure when the motive force opposing the change in value is the random motion of gas [hup] would be a valid method to extract ZPE. Regards Fran Bottom of Form Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:18:04 -0700 guys, whatever that is, do You really think that Rossi put something like that into real world commercial operation? THz pulses with significant energy? on a partial cost basis of say $100 of his ecat-3. Sorry to say: You must be completely deluded and have not idea what technology is all about. Did you ever build something slightly sophisticated? If not, shut up and retreat to your cave or listen to people who did. Citing something exotic does not make it operational, Daily techno-gossip is full of crap like this. GET REAL! Very annoyed. Plus: Dear Lou. If You cite crappy points from dkos, please elaborate. I have no problem if You attack me directly. I will respond accordingly. Please be warned! Guenter
Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly...
Excellent Post Fran. Does you theory provide guidance as to the shape, size, location and creation mechanism of these Dynamic Casimir Cavities that support these mechanism? Don't know if you have posted this before, if you have, it would still help those of us who are Quantum-Physics-challenged and Special Relativity-challenged to understand things and help move it forward to a practical reactor design. In your opinion, what sort of structures will provide such dynamic Casimir Forces? Can you speculate as to whether Carbon Nanostructures might fit the bill? I was thinking along the lines of Carbon Nanohorns being the right geometry. (Carbon Nanohorns are Carbon nanotubes with open ends.) I was thinking that a bunch of vertically aligned Carbon nanohorms with open ends might provide an abundance of these cavities of the right size and configuration. A landscape of Vertically oriented Carbon nanohorns would probably look like a metal lattice with a multitude of cracks of different sizes, or may look like nickel micropowder with nanosized tubercules. Creating Carbon Nanohorns should not be too difficults in theory, just simply quickly abort the process you are using to create Vertically aligned nanotubes and you should end up with uncompleted Carbon Nanotubes, which would be Carbon Nanohorns. Jojo - Original Message - From: francis To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... Guenter, We certainly don't think anyone is intentionally creating efficent THZ pulses but there is a very difficult to reproduce anomaly in play which is why we historically vet suggestions like Mark's with an open mind. we have slowly and painfully tried to fit different puzzle pieces into place only to find none of the traditional pieces fit - this site is dedicated to considering the more exotic possibilities when traditional explanations just don't work. If you have read any of my posts you know I advocate a Puthoff like atomic model and share his opinions regarding vacuum engineering with a pinch of Jan Naudts relativistic explanation for hydrogen in a lattice being equivalent to hydrogen expelled from the suns corona at relativistic speed [without the need for high velocity spatial displacement - It is these relativistic anomalies created by the tubules or nano geometry that lend support to Mark's suggestion as frequencies are up and down converted by direct manipulation of space-time via suppression / Casimir geometries. We know that many of these claims rest upon different methods of agitation that all seem to have properties that result in changing the geometry.when you are talking changes in distance based on 1/a^4 you can create huge swings in the Casimir value [dynamic Casimir effect ?] with very little energy -my pet theory being it discounts the amount of energy needed to disassociate any h2 to the point where more energy is released upon the reassociation at the new Casimir value than it takes in heat energy to cause the disassociation -harnessing this change in pressure when the motive force opposing the change in value is the random motion of gas [hup] would be a valid method to extract ZPE. Regards Fran Bottom of Form
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Mark, sorry to annoy You. ReWell, ...And for your information, THz-based technologies are being commercialized, so the technology has operational products I looked at that: ...This system uses the natural terahertz waves produced by individuals ... Those are DETECTION systems, not emitters. Cost is typically $200K per system So do You have a more relevant reference? The issue was in the context: a possible THz emitter in the 100W to 1kW range (Rossi COP 6). Known systems involving THz lasers are low power and VERY costly. The most cost effective high power systems being CO2 at 10um, but this is FIR, not THz. If You have ever seen a high power CO2-laser, You know what the cost is. And , yes I am a 'newbie' with a mere 1yr participation in the list, and actually was not aware of the founding charter of the list. I am mainly in here because of LENR-related topics. Other topics varyingly catch my interest. My 'philosophical' musings may not be in everybody's interest. Cannot be. Most people lack the background. But some have it. So what is wrong with that? If the list would be something like a comment section on eg Sterling Allan's mostly abstruse 'revelations', I am actually not interested. I call this crap. Waste of time. Nevertheless, ZPE, as Your nick suggests, is sort of interesting, like homeopathy, but delivers nothing. I listen. But there are some interesting people here. Opt out, ignore my posts, it is easy. If the storm of outrage in the list crashes over my head, I will leave. Guenter Von: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 8:19 Freitag, 27.Juli 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... I’ve toned it down for public consumption… Guenter: 1. Nobody was suggesting that Rossi implemented THz technology in his unit… 2. Whenever we see some developments which are interesting, we share that info here… 3. For your information, this forum is NOT a Rossi/E-Cat/LENR only forum. It has existed for DECADES, and many of the regular contributors have been here from the start; you’ve only been here for what, less than a year? 4. I suggest you read the founder’s explanation of what Vortex-l is here for…. http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html “The Vortex-L list was originally created for discussions of professional research into fluid vortex/cavitation devices which exhibit anomalous energy effects (i.e., the inventions of Schaeffer, Huffman, Griggs, and Potapov among others.) Currently it has evolved into a discussion on taboo physics reports and research. SKEPTICS BEWARE, the topics wander from Cold Fusion, to reports of excess energy in Free Energy devices, gravity generation and detection, reports of theoretically impossible phenomena, and all sorts of supposedly crackpot claims. Before you subscribe, please see the rules below. This is a public, lightly- moderated smartlist list. There is no charge, but donations towards expenses are recommended.” I would argue that the discussion thread on THz coupling directly into lattice vibrations is a helluva lot more relevant to this forum’s purpose than the political/philosophical crap you’ve been spewing out in copious amounts lately. “Did you ever build something slightly sophisticated? If not, shut up and retreat to your cave or listen to people who did.” Yeah, several things in fact; the latest being a RF/microwave (20+GHz) technology (sensors and algorithms) to noninvasively measure a person’s blood sugar… “Citing something exotic does not make it operational.” As explained above, *this forum exists explicitly for the purpose of discussing the exotic*; operational or not! And for your information, THz-based technologies are being commercialized, so the technology has operational products. http://www.wi-ltd.com/security/Scanning_and_Screening/X_Ray_and_Screening_Systems/People_Scanners/WG_Body_Passive_Terahertz_Scanner I suggest you learn to hit the ‘delete’ key… it’s not all that difficult, and takes much less time than posting an arrogant, condescending message. -Mark From:Guenter Wildgruber [mailto:gwildgru...@ymail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:17 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... guys, whatever that is, do You really think that Rossi put something like that into real world commercial operation? THz pulses with significant energy? on a partial cost basis of say $100 of his ecat-3. Sorry to say: You must be completely deluded and have not idea what technology is all about. Did you ever build something slightly sophisticated? If not, shut up and retreat to your cave or listen to people who did. Citing something exotic does not make it operational, Daily techno-gossip is full of crap like this. GET REAL! Very annoyed. Plus: Dear Lou. If You cite crappy
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fran, thank you for Your kind and moderate words. Actually my thinking and arguing in the list here is centered about the possibility that Rossi eventually might use THz. About other aspects I do not know a lot. Wrt Rossi my comment is a resolute NO, with very basic arguments, technological and commercial/cost-related. Mark has been very upset about my argument, which I do not understand. ZPE is not on my radar, I must confess. I am waiting for a blip of evidence, not Sterling Allan type. The Casimir-effect is a tiny effect, which eventually could turn our understanding of all-that-is completely around. One interesting person I encountered was Robert Laughlin, the Nobel-Price winner, who argued that 'vacuum' actually is dense, like glass. But he seems to be a lonely voice, and the pity is, I do not understand that. All the best Guenter V ison: francis froarty...@comcast.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 14:19 Freitag, 27.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... Guenter, We certainly don’t think anyone is “intentionally” creating efficent THZ pulses but there is a very difficult to reproduce anomaly in play which is why we historically vet suggestions like Mark’s with an open mind… we have slowly and painfully tried to fit different puzzle pieces into place only to find none of the traditional pieces fit – this site is dedicated to considering the more exotic possibilities when traditional explanations just don’t work. If you have read any of my posts you know I advocate a Puthoff like atomic model and share his opinions regarding vacuum engineering with a pinch of Jan Naudts relativistic explanation for hydrogen in a lattice being “equivalent” to hydrogen expelled from the suns corona at relativistic speed [without the need for high velocity spatial displacement – It is these relativistic anomalies created by the tubules or nano geometry that lend support to Mark’s suggestion as frequencies are up and down converted by direct manipulation of space-time via suppression / Casimir geometries. We know that many of these claims rest upon different methods of agitation that all seem to have properties that result in changing the geometry…when you are talking changes in distance based on 1/a^4 you can create huge swings in the Casimir value [dynamic Casimir effect ?] with very little energy –my pet theory being it discounts the amount of energy needed to disassociate any h2 to the point where more energy is released upon the reassociation at the new Casimir value than it takes in heat energy to cause the disassociation –harnessing this change in pressure when the motive force opposing the change in value is the random motion of gas [hup] would be a valid method to extract ZPE. Regards Fran Bottom of Form Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:18:04 -0700 guys, whatever that is, do You really think that Rossi put something like that into real world commercial operation? THz pulses with significant energy? on a partial cost basis of say $100 of his ecat-3. Sorry to say: You must be completely deluded and have not idea what technology is all about. Did you ever build something slightly sophisticated? If not, shut up and retreat to your cave or listen to people who did. Citing something exotic does not make it operational, Daily techno-gossip is full of crap like this. GET REAL! Very annoyed. Plus: Dear Lou. If You cite crappy points from dkos, please elaborate. I have no problem if You attack me directly. I will respond accordingly. Please be warned! Guenter
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Guenter, I am closer to Laughlin’s camp than Axisl’s or Thom Prevenslik’s but after many long communications with Thomas it became clear that, IMHO, the differences are far more semantic than most people realize… if you say the ether is unphysical I will agree totally because we are 3d physical beings unable to perceive or even verbalize “matter” if it does not exist in “our” plane – where our 3D plane is an absurdly thin ribbon that particles from this other dimension suddenly emerge into from the future, grow to full size in the Present and then shrink into the past..note my use of temporal direction as opposed to spatial since the ether has no spatial bias and just like time is perpendicular to 3d space. The rate at which these virtual particles pass through our plane will always appear to be C from our local perspective whether we are in a spaceship travelling at .9C and experiencing time dilation slow relative to earth normal or if we are a tiny observer inside a Casimir cavity where we experience time dilation fast relative to earth normal. This would also explain why the MM experiment fails to uncover any spatial bias to the ether since the direction of the ether is perpendicular to all 3 spatial axis. I vaguely recall a comment made by Bohr on this same argument between 2 of his famous peers [I don’t recall which] but the upshot of the comment was that these seemingly opposing theories of whether the ether medium is populated really aren’t. Instead of a sea of nonphysical virtual particles one might consider a many body interaction where some gas atoms are time dilated and get much older [catalyzed?] how does this effect conservation of momentum –note we don’t care if the time stream is occupied by virtual particles or is an absolute vacuum – the results – time dilation are the same and my question is the “direction” of those time dilated atoms …does the Casimir geometry which appears to approach 2D from our perspective allow us to unbalance the conservation of momentum? I know DiFiore et all were studying this in Italy with respect to possible gravity modification but my position has always been that Casimir effect is actually a segregation where the suppressed area inside the cavity is exactly balanced by a shallow larger area of compressed area outside the plates – so I wasn’t surprised they failed to measure any weight modification.. similarly I think Mills and Rossi need to introduce gas molecules in a biased manner or simply exploit a geometrical preference of the gas atoms to occupy one type of a region preferentially over the other so the segregated effects don’t cancel. The tritium and other radioactive gas decay anomalies would then be just a matter of which areas inside a segregated Casimir geometry they prefer to occupy. OK I rambled on enough Fran From: Guenter Wildgruber [mailto:gwildgru...@ymail.com] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 2:22 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... fran, thank you for Your kind and moderate words. Actually my thinking and arguing in the list here is centered about the possibility that Rossi eventually might use THz. About other aspects I do not know a lot. Wrt Rossi my comment is a resolute NO, with very basic arguments, technological and commercial/cost-related. Mark has been very upset about my argument, which I do not understand. ZPE is not on my radar, I must confess. I am waiting for a blip of evidence, not Sterling Allan type. The Casimir-effect is a tiny effect, which eventually could turn our understanding of all-that-is completely around. One interesting person I encountered was Robert Laughlin, the Nobel-Price winner, who argued that 'vacuum' actually is dense, like glass. But he seems to be a lonely voice, and the pity is, I do not understand that. All the best Guenter V ison: francis froarty...@comcast.netmailto:froarty...@comcast.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 14:19 Freitag, 27.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... Guenter, We certainly don’t think anyone is “intentionally” creating efficent THZ pulses but there is a very difficult to reproduce anomaly in play which is why we historically vet suggestions like Mark’s with an open mind… we have slowly and painfully tried to fit different puzzle pieces into place only to find none of the traditional pieces fit – this site is dedicated to considering the more exotic possibilities when traditional explanations just don’t work. If you have read any of my posts you know I advocate a Puthoff like atomic model and share his opinions regarding vacuum engineering with a pinch of Jan Naudts relativistic explanation for hydrogen in a lattice being “equivalent” to hydrogen expelled from the suns corona
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Terahertz vibrational stimulation of the nucleons at a 50 nm domain forces the nuclear and gravitational constants of the motion toward those of the electromagnetic. been saying this for years Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:02 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... Mark, sorry to annoy You. Re Well, ...And for your information, THz-based technologies are being commercialized, so the technology has operational products I looked at that: ...This system uses the natural terahertz waves produced by individuals ... Those are DETECTION systems, not emitters. Cost is typically $200K per system So do You have a more relevant reference? The issue was in the context: a possible THz emitter in the 100W to 1kW range (Rossi COP 6). Known systems involving THz lasers are low power and VERY costly. The most cost effective high power systems being CO2 at 10um, but this is FIR, not THz. If You have ever seen a high power CO2-laser, You know what the cost is. And , yes I am a 'newbie' with a mere 1yr participation in the list, and actually was not aware of the founding charter of the list. I am mainly in here because of LENR-related topics. Other topics varyingly catch my interest. My 'philosophical' musings may not be in everybody's interest. Cannot be. Most people lack the background. But some have it. So what is wrong with that? If the list would be something like a comment section on eg Sterling Allan's mostly abstruse 'revelations', I am actually not interested. I call this crap. Waste of time. Nevertheless, ZPE, as Your nick suggests, is sort of interesting, like homeopathy, but delivers nothing. I listen. But there are some interesting people here. Opt out, ignore my posts, it is easy. If the storm of outrage in the list crashes over my head, I will leave. Guenter Von: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 8:19 Freitag, 27.Juli 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... I’ve toned it down for public consumption… Guenter: 1. Nobody was suggesting that Rossi implemented THz technology in his unit… 2. Whenever we see some developments which are interesting, we share that info here… 3. For your information, this forum is NOT a Rossi/E-Cat/LENR only forum. It has existed for DECADES, and many of the regular contributors have been here from the start; you’ve only been here for what, less than a year? 4. I suggest you read the founder’s explanation of what Vortex-l is here for…. http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html “The Vortex-L list was originally created for discussions of professional research into fluid vortex/cavitation devices which exhibit anomalous energy effects (i.e., the inventions of Schaeffer, Huffman, Griggs, and Potapov among others.) Currently it has evolved into a discussion on taboo physics reports and research. SKEPTICS BEWARE, the topics wander from Cold Fusion, to reports of excess energy in Free Energy devices, gravity generation and detection, reports of theoretically impossible phenomena, and all sorts of supposedly crackpot claims. Before you subscribe, please see the rules below. This is a public, lightly- moderated smartlist list. There is no charge, but donations towards expenses are recommended.” I would argue that the discussion thread on THz coupling directly into lattice vibrations is a helluva lot more relevant to this forum’s purpose than the political/philosophical crap you’ve been spewing out in copious amounts lately. “Did you ever build something slightly sophisticated? If not, shut up and retreat to your cave or listen to people who did.” Yeah, several things in fact; the latest being a RF/microwave (20+GHz) technology (sensors and algorithms) to noninvasively measure a person’s blood sugar… “Citing something exotic does not make it operational.” As explained above, *this forum exists explicitly for the purpose of discussing the exotic*; operational or not! And for your information, THz-based technologies are being commercialized, so the technology has operational products. http://www.wi-ltd.com/security/Scanning_and_Screening/X_Ray_and_Screening_Systems/People_Scanners/WG_Body_Passive_Terahertz_Scanner I suggest you learn to hit the ‘delete’ key… it’s not all that difficult, and takes much less time than posting an arrogant, condescending message. -Mark From: Guenter Wildgruber [mailto:gwildgru...@ymail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:17 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... guys, whatever that is, do You really think that Rossi put something like that into real world commercial operation? THz pulses with significant energy
Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly...
According to this news item, THz radiation also induces ballistic current flow in some semiconductors. I am curious if this can occur in semiconductors containing, or in contact with, hydrides. The author has a number of papers in arxiv.org. -- Lou Pagnucco Mark Iverson wrote: Terahertz radiation can induce insulator-to-metal change of state in some materials http://phys.org/news/2012-07-terahertz-insulator-to-metal-state-materials.ht ml the researchers used an antenna-like structure called a split ring resonator to concentrate the electric field of a THz pulse in a small area, increasing the electric field from hundreds of kilovolts per centimeter to about 4 megavolts per centimeter. Is there anything about H-loaded metals with shallow fractures, or Ni tubercles, which might act like a split-ring resonator? .because THz frequencies match the resonant frequencies at which neighboring atoms and molecules in crystal lattices vibrate against each other, *THz pulses can drive the lattice vibrations directly*-possibly to large amplitudes. THz light can drive electrons and whole atoms and molecules far from their equilibrium locations in a crystal lattice, which can lead to phase transitions in electronic state and/or crystal structure. -Mark Iverson
Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly...
guys, whatever that is, do You really think that Rossi put something like that into real world commercial operation? THz pulses with significant energy? on a partial cost basis of say $100 of his ecat-3. Sorry to say: You must be completely deluded and have not idea what technology is all about. Did you ever build something slightly sophisticated? If not, shut up and retreat to your cave or listen to people who did. Citing something exotic does not make it operational, Daily techno-gossip is full of crap like this. GET REAL! Very annoyed. Plus: Dear Lou. If You cite crappy points from dkos, please elaborate. I have no problem if You attack me directly. I will respond accordingly. Please be warned! Guenter Von: pagnu...@htdconnect.com pagnu...@htdconnect.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 0:00 Freitag, 27.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... According to this news item, THz radiation also induces ballistic current flow in some semiconductors. I am curious if this can occur in semiconductors containing, or in contact with, hydrides. The author has a number of papers in arxiv.org. -- Lou Pagnucco Mark Iverson wrote: Terahertz radiation can induce insulator-to-metal change of state in some materials http://phys.org/news/2012-07-terahertz-insulator-to-metal-state-materials.ht ml the researchers used an antenna-like structure called a split ring resonator to concentrate the electric field of a THz pulse in a small area, increasing the electric field from hundreds of kilovolts per centimeter to about 4 megavolts per centimeter. Is there anything about H-loaded metals with shallow fractures, or Ni tubercles, which might act like a split-ring resonator? .because THz frequencies match the resonant frequencies at which neighboring atoms and molecules in crystal lattices vibrate against each other, *THz pulses can drive the lattice vibrations directly*-possibly to large amplitudes. THz light can drive electrons and whole atoms and molecules far from their equilibrium locations in a crystal lattice, which can lead to phase transitions in electronic state and/or crystal structure. -Mark Iverson
Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly...
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.comwrote: guys, whatever that is, do You really think that Rossi put something like that into real world commercial operation? THz pulses with significant energy? From my reading I've concluded that THz is basically infrared. Sometimes I've seen a distinction made between it and infrared, and at other times I have not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Light_spectrum.svg An application on a Web page is telling me that the blackbody radiation for an object at 300 C (573 K) is 30 THz, with a lower limit of 24 THz and an upper limit of 37 THz. So 300 C would seem to be the goldilocks zone as far as terahertz radiation is concerned. You don't need a fancy terahertz RF pulse device; you just heat something up. Eric
[Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly...
FYI: Terahertz radiation can induce insulator-to-metal change of state in some materials http://phys.org/news/2012-07-terahertz-insulator-to-metal-state-materials.ht ml the researchers used an antenna-like structure called a split ring resonator to concentrate the electric field of a THz pulse in a small area, increasing the electric field from hundreds of kilovolts per centimeter to about 4 megavolts per centimeter. Is there anything about H-loaded metals with shallow fractures, or Ni tubercles, which might act like a split-ring resonator? .because THz frequencies match the resonant frequencies at which neighboring atoms and molecules in crystal lattices vibrate against each other, *THz pulses can drive the lattice vibrations directly*-possibly to large amplitudes. THz light can drive electrons and whole atoms and molecules far from their equilibrium locations in a crystal lattice, which can lead to phase transitions in electronic state and/or crystal structure. -Mark Iverson
