RE: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
I would argue the oscillation between atomic and molecular states of H or D represent the strongly coupled energy exchange with the oscillator. The critical temp places a large gas population near disassociation threshold and then the oscillator slaves the tripping of the threshold so the molecules all disassociate in phase and then emit photons as they immediately re-associate. [slaved multivibrator of bond state?] The disassociations appear to be further aided by motion through lattice defects where changes in suppression value may differentiate between atomic and molecular state. Fran [snip]Coherent energy exchange in these models works best when the coupling between Including nuclear degrees of freedom in a lattice Hamiltonian 4 the two-level transition (representing electronic and nuclear transitions) and oscillator (representing a vibrational mode) is strong. We studied a further generalization of the lossy spin-boson model in which two transitions are coupled to an oscillator, where one is strongly-coupled and one is weakly-coupled [32]. We found that the strongly coupled system could assist coherent energy exchange for the weakly coupled system. The model that resulted appeared to us to be very closely related to excess heat production in the Fleischmann-Pons experiment, assuming that the mechanism involved D2/4He transitions that were weakly coupled to a phonon mode (weakly coupled due to the Coulomb repulsion between the deuterons), and that a strongly-coupled transition were also present. The big problem in this kind of model ends up being the identification of the strongly-coupled transition. Finding an appropriate strongly-coupled transition with sufficiently strong coupling to do the job seems problematic within the approach [33]. After analyzing many candidate transitions, we came to the conclusion that there were no physical transitions which could serve as the strongly-coupled two-level transition within the model.[/snip] -Original Message- From: David ledin [mailto:mathematic.analy...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter to explain many observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems. they named Fleischmann , Pons and Piantelli but not rossi . http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4377.pdf
[Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter to explain many observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems. they named Fleischmann , Pons and Piantelli but not rossi . http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4377.pdf
Re: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
They were put in gen-ph, arxiv's trashbin. It would be better if they had not sent it. 2012/2/7 David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.com MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter to explain many observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems. they named Fleischmann , Pons and Piantelli but not rossi . http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4377.pdf -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
The key phrase in the abstract is: In the resulting model, there appears a new term in which nuclear transitions are coupled to lattice vibrations. I wonder if Hagelstein has been reading Znidarsic's work? :-) -m -Original Message- From: David ledin [mailto:mathematic.analy...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 7:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter to explain many observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems. they named Fleischmann , Pons and Piantelli but not rossi . http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4377.pdf
Re: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
A scientific layman's quick assessment: a gifted theoretical physicist and colleague have been working steadily for years with experimenters -- they carefully studied and rejected many theoretical dead ends for various anomalous phenomena -- finally they started to apply standard theoretical routes, while starting fresh with a comprehensive overview that held the nuclear level and the electronic level together on an equal basis -- finding new subtleties that indicate transactions between nuclear and electronic levels that so far seem may turn out to fit the puzzling experimental data -- publishing results quickly in many papers, thus inviting public critical examination by their peers -- thus, all the hallmarks of mature scientific breakthrough... On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: The key phrase in the abstract is: In the resulting model, there appears a new term in which nuclear transitions are coupled to lattice vibrations. I wonder if Hagelstein has been reading Znidarsic's work? :-) -m -Original Message- From: David ledin [mailto:mathematic.analy...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 7:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter to explain many observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems. they named Fleischmann , Pons and Piantelli but not rossi . http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4377.pdf
Re: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote: A scientific layman's quick assessment: a gifted theoretical physicist and colleague have been working steadily for years with experimenters -- they carefully studied and rejected many theoretical dead ends for various anomalous phenomena -- finally they started to apply standard theoretical routes, while starting fresh with a comprehensive overview that held the nuclear level and the electronic level together on an equal basis -- finding new subtleties that indicate transactions between nuclear and electronic levels that so far seem may turn out to fit the puzzling experimental data -- publishing results quickly in many papers, thus inviting public critical examination by their peers -- thus, all the hallmarks of mature scientific breakthrough... And your point is . . .? T
Re: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
more and more, faster and faster, capable professionals will explore this breakthrough, while we amateurs will be left yipping in the yard... On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote: A scientific layman's quick assessment: ... thus, all the hallmarks of mature scientific breakthrough... And your point is . . .? T
Re: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
Regarding (emphasis added): These experimental results, and many others, have motivated us to explore new models that might be relevant. A major issue that we have been interested in is the *possibility of coherent energy exchange between quantum systems with mismatched **characteristic energies*, which we considered to be the biggest theoretical problem associated with the anomalies. Coherent energy exchange between mismatched quantum systems occurs in high harmonic generation [22], so we know that it is possible in principle. However, there seems to be no analog to Corkum’s mechanism [23],[24] present in the condensed matter system. A lesser version of the effect is known within the multiphoton regime of the spin-boson model, which is used to model basic linear interactions of two-level systems with an oscillator [25],[26],[27]. We found that if the two-level system is augmented with loss, the coherent energy exchange rate is increased dramatically. This is due to the fact that destructive interference limits the rate at which coherent energy exchange occurs in the spin-boson model, so augmenting the model with a mechanism that removes this destructive interference would be expected to improve coherent energy exchange rates [28],[29],[30],[31]. Coherence transfer between systems is indeed absolutely required. The answer to this one is clear. Rossi has told us what does this job for him. “no analog to Corkum’s mechanism”...micro cavities that do this job. Micro-cavities allows protons (one quantum system) to be made coherent in the lattice via coherent lattice photons (another quantum system). Put some protons in a micro-cavity and shake until coherent. Rossi’s powder does this job. In the heavy water experiments, micro-cavities have done the same job in that system but not as intensely as it is done by the Rossi’s powder or Piantelli’s rough surface coating. The are many new quantum mechanical experiments done recently that show how quantum wells transfer coherence between quantum particle types of all kinds. I just saw one where a photon can spin a tinny quantum wheel...light to mechanical energy. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:39 AM, David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.comwrote: MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter to explain many observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems. they named Fleischmann , Pons and Piantelli but not rossi . http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4377.pdf
RE: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
Axil wrote: There are many new quantum mechanical experiments done recently that show how quantum wells transfer coherence between quantum particle types of all kinds. I just saw one where a photon can spin a tiny quantum wheel...light to mechanical energy. Here's the reference: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v482/n7383/full/nature10787.html Yes, there have been several developments in the last few months about coupling between different energy types. I think the pieces of the puzzle will be coming together this year. -Mark
RE: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
Although not quite the same, here's another one which is quite interesting: Harnessing plasmonics, engineers weld nanowires with light http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-harnessing-plasmonics-weld-nanowires.htm l In before-and-after electron-microscope images, individual nanowires are visually distinct prior to illumination. They lay atop one another, like two fallen trees in the forest. When illuminated, the top nanowire acts like an antenna of sorts, directing the plasmon waves of light into the bottom wire and creating heat that welds the wires together. Post-illumination images show X-like nanowires lying flat against the substrate with fused joints. -Mark From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:40 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter Axil wrote: There are many new quantum mechanical experiments done recently that show how quantum wells transfer coherence between quantum particle types of all kinds. I just saw one where a photon can spin a tiny quantum wheel...light to mechanical energy. Here's the reference: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v482/n7383/full/nature10787.html Yes, there have been several developments in the last few months about coupling between different energy types. I think the pieces of the puzzle will be coming together this year. -Mark
