RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)
One thing your theory does not seem to cover is why the original Proton + Proton fusion happened in the first place. On the sun, it's because there's so much gravity holding the protons together. In a lattice, presumably it's due to the metallic atoms caging the protons close enough together to experience a probability of a Coulomb barrier depletion. --- On Mon, 9/3/12, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1) To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Monday, September 3, 2012, 6:39 PM Well – yes – the theory is falsifiable in exactly this way, but of course - you only do mass spectrometry on the hydrogen fill not the entire device. And yes – at least I have heard that SRI has an instrument sensitive enough to do this kind of measurement on hydrogen – but for whatever reason, it is not in use as of this date. It would indeed take a very sophisticated piece of equipment - as the proton mass on average will not go down by more than a fractional percent following a long gainful run, like the 50 hours of Celani. From: helloke...@sbcglobal.net Energy comes from proton mass depletion So... the way to test this theory is to weigh the thing before after the experiment? Does any LENR researcher have equipment sensitive enough to detect the difference in proton mass depletion?
RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)
Hello Kevin – very perceptive about solar gravity, and of course as to this factor being the most difficult property to simulate on Earth, in an effort to frame a working hypothesis for P+P which is similar to the solar model. This subject of “effective pressure” leads to the Casimir cavity, and to matrix confinement as part of the larger theory – which was not covered in my original post, since much of it can be gathered from Fran Roarty’s blog. In 1989 Pons Fleischmann argued initially that real fusion was taking place at low temperature because the effective confinement pressure which exists in a D-loaded Pd matrix, and which they claimed was equivalent to D2 gas pressures of about 8x10^26 atm. They were attempting to frame in an alternative to what is known as the “Lawson criteria” for hot fusion. The hydrogen loading in a proton conductor is called “overpotential” and it has equivalent pressure that has proved to be contentious, with some experts denying the high numbers. Celani, in his early work, has gone to great lengths to equate actual pressure with overpotential - and he estimates that 1:1 gas loading is the indeed the real equivalent of 22,000 atm. His argument is convincing. At any rate, either number is considerably higher than the sun’s gravity, at its surface (~28 times higher than earth). BTW – the citation I have for this quote from Celani is now a dead link and I don’t have time to track it down: http://www.memex.it/Fusione/Celani.htm From: helloke...@sbcglobal.net One thing your theory does not seem to cover is why the original Proton + Proton fusion happened in the first place. On the sun, it's because there's so much gravity holding the protons together. In a lattice, presumably it's due to the metallic atoms caging the protons close enough together to experience a probability of a Coulomb barrier depletion. From: Jones Beene Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1) Well – yes – the theory is falsifiable in exactly this way, but of course - you only do mass spectrometry on the hydrogen fill not the entire device. And yes – at least I have heard that SRI has an instrument sensitive enough to do this kind of measurement on hydrogen – but for whatever reason, it is not in use as of this date. It would indeed take a very sophisticated piece of equipment - as the proton mass on average will not go down by more than a fractional percent following a long gainful run, like the 50 hours of Celani. From: helloke...@sbcglobal.net http://us.mc1630.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=helloke...@sbcglobal.net Energy comes from proton mass depletion So... the way to test this theory is to weigh the thing before after the experiment? Does any LENR researcher have equipment sensitive enough to detect the difference in proton mass depletion?
RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)
If you are asking for a personal opinion, then it is not a simple yes or no. I believe Papp demonstrated a way to convert radioactive isotopes, mostly radium/radon, into electricity at higher than expected efficiency, and that is all there was to it. You cannot ready his biography - including the Fraud involving the 300 mph submarine, without realizing the man was a scam artist at heart! BTW mesothorium from Papp's patent is an old name for a radium isotope. Do not confuse it with thorium. I will admit that it is possible for a scam artist to actually make a great discovery, if only by accident, but there is no proof that Papp or his successors achieved this. He was not a brilliant inventor. LeClair may be much smarter than Papp was, but he has nothing to show. Period. Ahern lives nearby - tried for months to visit him, and found that he is completely elusive and without personal credibility. His lab is a shed. His claims could be derived from what others have reported. Without some kind of minimal validation - other than what is already known about sonofusion, why waste your time? From: Axil Axil Do you favor the mystery energy source claims of LeClair and Papp? Cheers: axil attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)
Same counts for Keshe foundation On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: If you are asking for a personal opinion, then it is not a simple yes or no. I believe Papp demonstrated a way to convert radioactive isotopes, mostly radium/radon, into electricity at higher than expected efficiency, and that is all there was to it. You cannot ready his biography - including the Fraud involving the 300 mph submarine, without realizing the man was a scam artist at heart! BTW mesothorium from Papp's patent is an old name for a radium isotope. Do not confuse it with thorium. I will admit that it is possible for a scam artist to actually make a great discovery, if only by accident, but there is no proof that Papp or his successors achieved this. He was not a brilliant inventor. LeClair may be much smarter than Papp was, but he has nothing to show. Period. Ahern lives nearby - tried for months to visit him, and found that he is completely elusive and without personal credibility. His lab is a shed. His claims could be derived from what others have reported. Without some kind of minimal validation - other than what is already known about sonofusion, why waste your time? From: Axil Axil Do you favor the mystery energy source claims of LeClair and Papp? Cheers: axil
Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)
Spooky/crazy action at a distance. Works the same in people associated
with it...
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012, Teslaalset wrote:
Same counts for Keshe foundation
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Jones Beene
jone...@pacbell.netjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jone...@pacbell.net');
wrote:
If you are asking for a personal opinion, then it is not a simple yes or
no.
I believe Papp demonstrated a way to convert radioactive isotopes, mostly
radium/radon, into electricity at higher than expected efficiency, and
that
is all there was to it. You cannot ready his biography - including the
Fraud
involving the 300 mph submarine, without realizing the man was a scam
artist
at heart! BTW mesothorium from Papp's patent is an old name for a radium
isotope. Do not confuse it with thorium.
I will admit that it is possible for a scam artist to actually make a
great
discovery, if only by accident, but there is no proof that Papp or his
successors achieved this. He was not a brilliant inventor.
LeClair may be much smarter than Papp was, but he has nothing to show.
Period. Ahern lives nearby - tried for months to visit him, and found that
he is completely elusive and without personal credibility. His lab is a
shed. His claims could be derived from what others have reported. Without
some kind of minimal validation - other than what is already known about
sonofusion, why waste your time?
From: Axil Axil
Do you favor the mystery energy source claims of LeClair
and
Papp?
Cheers: axil
[Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)
An arcane concept - the Goldstone boson, could be one key to understanding the emergent nanomagnetism hypothesis for energy gain in Ni-H. The energy transfer originates from strong force and QCD color change dynamics, and therefore from the nuclear pion (via slight depletion of proton mass) then ending up as magnons, then heat. This is in stark contrast to WL theory, and others which depend on the weak force (plus an imaginary ultracold neutron, which has not been shown to exist in physical reality). Pion (gluon) - magnon. This is looking more and more like the key concept for energy exchange in nanomagnetism and the quasi-nuclear QNF powerhouse behind it. It is a route to convert tiny packets of nuclear mass (derived from color change variations) into magnetic waves, then into heat. This is similar to heating an iron core by magnetic induction, but it happens from the inside-out. Energy comes from proton mass depletion but there is no change in the identity of the active particle (the proton). Thus the name QNF quasi-nuclear fusion instead of nuclear fusion or cold fusion. The fusion is short-lived, sequential, reversible and happens for less than 10^-20 seconds with almost no gain, but during this time, the strong force is disrupted (broken symmetry). This is by far the most common nuclear reaction in the Universe, and it happens for almost no gain. The reaction can be designated as P+P -2He-P+P. One earth, it occurs in Casimir cavities, and possibly only in such a cavity - and that is what makes it uniquely different from the solar variety of proton fusion. An extended lifetime effect is courtesy of Casimir time dilation - which is a correlate of the Reifenschweiler effect. It is a relativistic effect of cavity confinement. A following post will sum this up the cavity connection and tie it to proton mass variations - but for now, the emphasis is on two Goldstone bosons which are involved in energy transfer. The strong force (color force) is mediated by the gluon which involves pions and the color changes. If you want to get more specific, gluons hold quarks together to form hadrons and pions hold hadrons together to form atomic nuclei. It gets very colorful, with red quarks emitting a red-anti-green gluons, and green quarks changing into a red quark, and so on, but this color change has been the way QCD chooses to describe the residual forces holding nuclear quarks together. As mentioned in past posts on this topic, the magnon is a quasiparticle, with mass-equivalence, which can be viewed as a quantized spin wave. As a quasiparticle, a magnon carries a fixed but small amount of energy and lattice momentum- which energy it must obtain from somewhere. It possesses a spin energy equal to the Dirac constant (reduced Planck constant) so we can estimate energy transfer. It is similar to an excited phonon, which is a collective excitation of the crystal lattice atoms or ions. What nanomagnetism suggests is that color change dynamics, in the decay of transient fusion diprotons (from 2He fusion and immediate decay) actually creates magnons, which transfer a bit of nuclear mass to lattice in the same way that the windings of an electromagnet would do to a core. The end result is thermal gain. It requires more than 10^16 of these 2He reactions to transfer every eV, but not to worry - the complete transaction to provide one eV can potentially happen sequentially thousands of times per second per Casimir cavity. In prior speculation, this has been referred to as a ZPE pump, since before, the source of energy could not be pinpointed, so the catch-all of ZPE was designated as the source. Now we have a nuclear candidate. in place of ZPE. In magnets, the original rotational symmetry (in the absence of an external magnetic field) is spontaneously broken by magnetization into a specific vector. The Goldstone bosons then are the magnons, i.e., the quantized spin waves, in which the local magnetization oscillates (precesses). This becomes an energy transfer process - mass to energy. In every proton nucleus there are pions. The pions are also the Goldstone bosons that result from the spontaneous breakdown of the chiral-flavor symmetries of QCD, effected by quark condensation due to the strong interaction. These symmetries are further explicitly broken during the brief 2He fusion and decay event - and some mass will be transferred, in order to provide magnons. Cross-identity of Goldstone bosons is probably a key and not coincidental. If you are not yet confused by all of this colorful word salad, then you obviously have a strong appetite for QCD. Good. Let me close by saying that Ni-H is a strong force (color change) reaction, in which a small bit of proton mass is converted into energy by spin waves and magnons. This is deposited as heat in a ferromagnetic matrix. The normal indicia of nuclear reactions are mostly absent. As with all QM reactions, there can be a bit of actual nuclear transmutation, but it is
Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)
This is by far the simplest looking theory I've seen for LENR. It would seem Occham's Razor is in play here, especially when the theory is contrasted with Widom-Larson. How do you test it? --- On Mon, 9/3/12, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Subject: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1) To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Monday, September 3, 2012, 8:26 AM An arcane concept - the Goldstone boson, could be one key to understanding the emergent nanomagnetism hypothesis for energy gain in Ni-H. The energy transfer originates from strong force and QCD color change dynamics, and therefore from the nuclear pion (via slight depletion of proton mass) then ending up as magnons, then heat. This is in stark contrast to WL theory, and others which depend on the weak force (plus an imaginary ultracold neutron, which has not been shown to exist in physical reality). Pion (gluon) - magnon. This is looking more and more like the key concept for energy exchange in nanomagnetism and the quasi-nuclear QNF powerhouse behind it. It is a route to convert tiny packets of nuclear mass (derived from color change variations) into magnetic waves, then into heat. This is similar to heating an iron core by magnetic induction, but it happens from the inside-out. Energy comes from proton mass depletion but there is no change in the identity of the active particle (the proton). Thus the name QNF quasi-nuclear fusion instead of nuclear fusion or cold fusion. The fusion is short-lived, sequential, reversible and happens for less than 10^-20 seconds with almost no gain, but during this time, the strong force is disrupted (broken symmetry). This is by far the most common nuclear reaction in the Universe, and it happens for almost no gain. The reaction can be designated as P+P -2He-P+P. One earth, it occurs in Casimir cavities, and possibly only in such a cavity - and that is what makes it uniquely different from the solar variety of proton fusion. An extended lifetime effect is courtesy of Casimir time dilation - which is a correlate of the Reifenschweiler effect. It is a relativistic effect of cavity confinement. A following post will sum this up the cavity connection and tie it to proton mass variations - but for now, the emphasis is on two Goldstone bosons which are involved in energy transfer. The strong force (color force) is mediated by the gluon which involves pions and the color changes. If you want to get more specific, gluons hold quarks together to form hadrons and pions hold hadrons together to form atomic nuclei. It gets very colorful, with red quarks emitting a red-anti-green gluons, and green quarks changing into a red quark, and so on, but this color change has been the way QCD chooses to describe the residual forces holding nuclear quarks together. As mentioned in past posts on this topic, the magnon is a quasiparticle, with mass-equivalence, which can be viewed as a quantized spin wave. As a quasiparticle, a magnon carries a fixed but small amount of energy and lattice momentum- which energy it must obtain from somewhere. It possesses a spin energy equal to the Dirac constant (reduced Planck constant) so we can estimate energy transfer. It is similar to an excited phonon, which is a collective excitation of the crystal lattice atoms or ions. What nanomagnetism suggests is that color change dynamics, in the decay of transient fusion diprotons (from 2He fusion and immediate decay) actually creates magnons, which transfer a bit of nuclear mass to lattice in the same way that the windings of an electromagnet would do to a core. The end result is thermal gain. It requires more than 10^16 of these 2He reactions to transfer every eV, but not to worry - the complete transaction to provide one eV can potentially happen sequentially thousands of times per second per Casimir cavity. In prior speculation, this has been referred to as a ZPE pump, since before, the source of energy could not be pinpointed, so the catch-all of ZPE was designated as the source. Now we have a nuclear candidate. in place of ZPE. In magnets, the original rotational symmetry (in the absence of an external magnetic field) is spontaneously broken by magnetization into a specific vector. The Goldstone bosons then are the magnons, i.e., the quantized spin waves, in which the local magnetization oscillates (precesses). This becomes an energy transfer process - mass to energy. In every proton nucleus there are pions. The pions are also the Goldstone bosons that result from the spontaneous breakdown of the chiral-flavor symmetries of QCD, effected by quark condensation due to the strong interaction. These symmetries are further explicitly broken during the brief 2He fusion and decay event - and some mass will be transferred, in order to provide magnons. Cross-identity of Goldstone bosons is probably a key and not coincidental. If you are not yet confused by all of this colorful word salad
Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)
Energy comes from proton mass depletion So... the way to test this theory is to weigh the thing before after the experiment? Does any LENR researcher have equipment sensitive enough to detect the difference in proton mass depletion?
Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)
Yeah, this might be interesting enough to motivate another few weeks of frantic reading. And I just got done with electron capture, sheesh. ;-) On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:06 PM, helloke...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Energy comes from proton mass depletion So... the way to test this theory is to weigh the thing before after the experiment? Does any LENR researcher have equipment sensitive enough to detect the difference in proton mass depletion?
RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)
Well - yes - the theory is falsifiable in exactly this way, but of course - you only do mass spectrometry on the hydrogen fill not the entire device. And yes - at least I have heard that SRI has an instrument sensitive enough to do this kind of measurement on hydrogen - but for whatever reason, it is not in use as of this date. It would indeed take a very sophisticated piece of equipment - as the proton mass on average will not go down by more than a fractional percent following a long gainful run, like the 50 hours of Celani. From: helloke...@sbcglobal.net Energy comes from proton mass depletion So... the way to test this theory is to weigh the thing before after the experiment? Does any LENR researcher have equipment sensitive enough to detect the difference in proton mass depletion?
RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)
The underlying major hypothesis for ultimate gain is mass-to-energy conversion, but with little or no fission, beta decay, non-reversible fusion, or transmutation. There can be slight transmutation from QM tunneling but far from sufficient to account for gain. The proton mass is not quantized and is in the vicinity of 938.272013 MeV on average (even this accepted value is in contention) this value becomes what is really an average mass, with expected variations higher and lower. The average mass can vary a fractional percent between atoms as either overage or deficit and the hydrogen will still be hydrogen. Imagine a bell curve of mass around the average of 938.272013 .The overage fraction is in play for conversion into energy via QCD and Goldstone bosons - magnons. This becomes the mystery energy source for Ni-H reactions, whether they be from Mills, Rossi, DGT, Piantelli, Celani, or Thermacore. It begins with spillover hydrogen and a Casimir connection - in the geometry or in the metal porosity. And next a ferromagnetic catalyst with a Curie point that serves as a trigger temperature, and around which gain is seen. = Well - yes - the theory is falsifiable in exactly this way, but of course - you only do mass spectrometry on the hydrogen fill not the entire device. And yes - at least I have heard that SRI has an instrument sensitive enough to do this kind of measurement on hydrogen - but for whatever reason, it is not in use as of this date. It would indeed take a very sophisticated piece of equipment - as the proton mass on average will not go down by more than a fractional percent following a long gainful run, like the 50 hours of Celani. From: helloke...@sbcglobal.net Energy comes from proton mass depletion So... the way to test this theory is to weigh the thing before after the experiment? Does any LENR researcher have equipment sensitive enough to detect the difference in proton mass depletion?
Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)
Do you favor the mystery energy source claims of LeClair and Papp? Cheers: axil On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The underlying major hypothesis for ultimate gain is mass-to-energy conversion, but with little or no fission, beta decay, non-reversible fusion, or transmutation. There can be slight transmutation from QM tunneling but far from sufficient to account for gain. The proton mass is not quantized and is in the vicinity of 938.272013 MeV on average (even this accepted value is in contention) this value becomes what is really an average mass, with expected variations higher and lower. ** ** The average mass can vary a fractional percent between atoms as either overage or deficit and the hydrogen will still be hydrogen. Imagine a bell curve of mass around the average of 938.272013 .The “overage” fraction is in play for conversion into energy via QCD and Goldstone bosons - magnons. This becomes the mystery energy source for Ni-H reactions, whether they be from Mills, Rossi, DGT, Piantelli, Celani, or Thermacore. It begins with spillover hydrogen and a Casimir connection – in the geometry or in the metal porosity. And next a ferromagnetic catalyst with a Curie point that serves as a trigger temperature, and around which gain is seen. ** ** = ** ** Well – yes – the theory is falsifiable in exactly this way, but of course - you only do mass spectrometry on the hydrogen fill not the entire device. ** ** And yes – at least I have heard that SRI has an instrument sensitive enough to do this kind of measurement on hydrogen – but for whatever reason, it is not in use as of this date. It would indeed take a very sophisticated piece of equipment - as the proton mass on average will not go down by more than a fractional percent following a long gainful run, like the 50 hours of Celani. ** ** ** ** *From:* helloke...@sbcglobal.net ** ** Energy comes from proton mass depletion So... the way to test this theory is to weigh the thing before after the experiment? Does any LENR researcher have equipment sensitive enough to detect the difference in proton mass depletion? ** **
