Re: [Vo]:Need assistance with math terminology
After the third person addressing offense, now we have first person addressing! This is intolerable, where's the moderator? ;-) Michel 2009/6/25 William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote: The problem is people believe that their learnt or innate prejudice exceeds evidence and logic, indeed most people seemingly have been raise to be entirely comfortable deceiving themselves. It's not just people. There's a second half to it. I start striving for clear vision, and I slowly become aware of my own embarassing history of self-important delusions. I knew everybody else was a victim, but I didn't know I was the same! I can't work on shedding my self-deception until I give up looking at others and instead use that time to look at myself. Yeah, people always said that scientists are supposed to strive for humility, but I finally discovered why. Feynman mentions both halves: The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool. (( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Need assistance with math terminology
John Berry wrote: Is it 20 v or 20v? 20 V (capital V). Alexander Hollins wrote: seriously, did everyone NOT get drilled on significant digits in measurements? Nope. I learned it in primary school, and I thought everyone else did too, but alas they did not. People missed many other lessons, such as the fact that replicated experiments overrule theory. It is astounding how many distinguished scientists, including Nobel laureates, do not know that. Huizenga is a prime example with his famous conclusion: Furthermore, if the claimed excess heat exceeds that possible by other conventional processes (chemical, mechanical, etc.), one must conclude that an error has been made in measuring the excess heat. I used to think he knew perfectly well that can't be right, and he was being hypocritical or trying to bamboozle the public, but I now think he was sincere. The people who agree with him are also sincere. That makes our job harder. I would rather deal with scoundrels than fools. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Need assistance with math terminology
The problem is people believe that their learnt or innate prejudice exceeds evidence and logic, indeed most people seemingly have been raise to be entirely comfortable deceiving themselves. In fact I have come to the following conclusion, the most important qualities in a human are: Logic - few people use it Truth - most happy to believe a lie Research/Inquiry - few bother to investigate a subject even if their life depends on it By having integrity in thought and by seeking out more information then everything takes care of it's self as every other important thing can be generated by logic and research and this includes ethics/morals/love/unity or good nutrition or any other important thing. Another thing and I guess most here don't lack it, it is odd to me how few people seem to have a real purpose in life beyond basic procreation and recreation and even many who do pour great amounts of effort and genius and risk do so for things that are kinda pointless like sports or climbing a mountain. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: John Berry wrote: Is it 20 v or 20v? 20 V (capital V). Alexander Hollins wrote: seriously, did everyone NOT get drilled on significant digits in measurements? Nope. I learned it in primary school, and I thought everyone else did too, but alas they did not. People missed many other lessons, such as the fact that replicated experiments overrule theory. It is astounding how many distinguished scientists, including Nobel laureates, do not know that. Huizenga is a prime example with his famous conclusion: Furthermore, if the claimed excess heat exceeds that possible by other conventional processes (chemical, mechanical, etc.), one must conclude that an error has been made in measuring the excess heat. I used to think he knew perfectly well that can't be right, and he was being hypocritical or trying to bamboozle the public, but I now think he was sincere. The people who agree with him are also sincere. That makes our job harder. I would rather deal with scoundrels than fools. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Need assistance with math terminology
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote: The problem is people believe that their learnt or innate prejudice exceeds evidence and logic, indeed most people seemingly have been raise to be entirely comfortable deceiving themselves. It's not just people. There's a second half to it. I start striving for clear vision, and I slowly become aware of my own embarassing history of self-important delusions. I knew everybody else was a victim, but I didn't know I was the same! I can't work on shedding my self-deception until I give up looking at others and instead use that time to look at myself. Yeah, people always said that scientists are supposed to strive for humility, but I finally discovered why. Feynman mentions both halves: The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Need assistance with math terminology
Is it 20 v or 20v? Anyway yeah the spurious resolution thing is annoying. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: While you folks are doing experiments in your kitchen, I am translating a paper from Japanese in my office. From each according to his abilities -- as someone said. I need some assistance with mathematics terminology relating to curve-fitting algorithms. A program called OriginPro from OriginLab was used for this purpose. I could scour their web page or download their manual, but anyone familiar with sort of thing should please contact me by private e-mail. Also I would like to say something to Scientists and Engineers everywhere. Let me get this off my chest: For goodness sake people! -- units should not be more precise than the measurement; i.e., if you measure in centimeters don't report in millimeters. If you measure in hours don't report kilosecond (ks). I'll bet you did not leave that sample evacuated for 86.4 ks; you left it for about a day, or 24 hours if you must. You were not watching the clock to remove it to within one second the next day. And for crying out loud, learn to put a SPACE after the number before the unit, except with degrees Celsius. It is 20 g, 30 cm, 15 MJ, not 20g, 30cm, 15MJ. See: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/ - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Need assistance with math terminology
seriously, did everyone NOT get drilled on significant digits in measurements? On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:54 PM, John Berryaethe...@gmail.com wrote: Is it 20 v or 20v? Anyway yeah the spurious resolution thing is annoying. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: While you folks are doing experiments in your kitchen, I am translating a paper from Japanese in my office. From each according to his abilities -- as someone said. I need some assistance with mathematics terminology relating to curve-fitting algorithms. A program called OriginPro from OriginLab was used for this purpose. I could scour their web page or download their manual, but anyone familiar with sort of thing should please contact me by private e-mail. Also I would like to say something to Scientists and Engineers everywhere. Let me get this off my chest: For goodness sake people! -- units should not be more precise than the measurement; i.e., if you measure in centimeters don't report in millimeters. If you measure in hours don't report kilosecond (ks). I'll bet you did not leave that sample evacuated for 86.4 ks; you left it for about a day, or 24 hours if you must. You were not watching the clock to remove it to within one second the next day. And for crying out loud, learn to put a SPACE after the number before the unit, except with degrees Celsius. It is 20 g, 30 cm, 15 MJ, not 20g, 30cm, 15MJ. See: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/ - Jed
