Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Alain dit le Cycliste]

seems reasonable to fear that kind of problem.
could reduce/kill the diffusion of that technology to small home units ,
and globally increase the price.
the good point of price, is that it is not raw materials, but work, unlike
middle-east oil and alike.
the governance of that energy shall be better that thos based on mines.

as I've read:
- the quantity of nickel and H is small, but it is really consumed (40% of
the Ni load
- but Ni is 99.999%
- H very pure too
- No D, no N, No O ...

however, like microelectronics micro-devices, one can expect
- les expensive, smaller solution to reach purity and closedness
- reductions of the constraints to a less expensive level, when they are
better known

assuming tha rossi say right about his long term experiements
we can expect the problem are solved over 6month...

 also feel that when good engineer (like NI anet the mysterious clieny are)
will work on the subject, the will find good efficient solutions.
Rossi seems not to bee the best industrializer on earth 8)


2011/11/26 Axil Axil 

> *However Rossi has said in the past that Deuterium kills the reaction.*
>
> ...
>
> I predict that any reactor that uses the Piantelli reaction where high
> hydrogen purity is required will suffer from low power production and short
> run times due the contamination of gaseous boson based transmutation
> reaction products.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Axil Axil]

*However Rossi has said in the past that Deuterium kills the reaction.*

If the conjecture that coherent entanglement is involved in the LENR
reaction, then mixing bosons and fermions will stymie the formation of the
associated condensate



Nitrogen is known to kill the Ni-H reaction. I will predict that any gas
composed of bosons will kill the Ni-H reaction because this reaction that
only depends on the formation of cooper pairs like superconductivity will
be blocked.



Bosons base gases must somehow inhibit the production of fermionic based
cooper pairs and their associated condensate formation.



The Piantelli reaction is especially sensitive to interference from boson
contaminants like oxygen and nitrogen.



On the other hand, Rossi who depends on Rydberg based species for his
coherence and entanglement can tolerate a large amount of boson
contamination. This sort of boson contamination is not a problem for Rossi.



I predict that any reactor that uses the Piantelli reaction where high
hydrogen purity is required will suffer from low power production and short
run times due the contamination of gaseous boson based transmutation
reaction products.


*


*
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Man on Bridges wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> On 25-11-2011 17:13, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
>
>> Rossi has said it becomes too much Cu. I seem to recall he said the fuel
>> was 30% Cu after 6 months and 60% Cu after 12 months.
>>
>> On 11/26/2011 2:33 AM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote:
>>
>>> moreover Deuterium is known to be a killing contaminant of Ni-H cells...
>>>
>>> maybe is it why the fuel have to be changed despite very few is used?
>>>
>>> i'm curious to know why the Ni fuel have to be change every 6month,
>>> while it is very little consumed?
>>> it is "cooked" (crytal lattice modified by heat, chemical reactions), or
>>> contaminated with Cu, or D ...
>>>
>>
> I fail to see the problem with Cu.
> If Stable 62Ni (or 64Ni) is used as the binding agent for the hydrinos
> then this results in Stable 63Cu (or 65Cu) which is on itself also a very
> good binding agent for the hydrinos and results in Stable 64Zn (or 66Zn).
> However Rossi has said in the past that Deuterium kills the reaction.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> MoB
>
>

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Man on Bridges]

Hi,

On 25-11-2011 17:13, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Rossi has said it becomes too much Cu. I seem to recall he said the 
fuel was 30% Cu after 6 months and 60% Cu after 12 months.


On 11/26/2011 2:33 AM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote:

moreover Deuterium is known to be a killing contaminant of Ni-H cells...

maybe is it why the fuel have to be changed despite very few is used?

i'm curious to know why the Ni fuel have to be change every 6month, 
while it is very little consumed?
it is "cooked" (crytal lattice modified by heat, chemical reactions), 
or contaminated with Cu, or D ...


I fail to see the problem with Cu.
If Stable 62Ni (or 64Ni) is used as the binding agent for the hydrinos 
then this results in Stable 63Cu (or 65Cu) which is on itself also a 
very good binding agent for the hydrinos and results in Stable 64Zn (or 
66Zn).

However Rossi has said in the past that Deuterium kills the reaction.

Kind regards,

MoB

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Robert Lynn]

The problem is that deuterium is already .00016% of natural hydrogen, you
would need to separate out the created deuterium 'signal' from natural
deuterium in an experiment.

Interesting that the energies released in H-H fusion are relatively tiny -
0.42MeV for the fusion with 2 x 0.51 MeV gammas from the released
positron annihilation = 1.44 MeV total (about 19145 kWh/g H2). No neutrons,
no hard gammas.  That would align with lack of observed radiation from NiH
and low 0.4-0.5 MeV gamma signals I think were reported from one of Rossi
or Piantelli's experiments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton%E2%80%93proton_chain_reaction

Given about .04grams of hydrogen in a 50mL e-cat operating at 20bar and
300°C you would expect to see a doubling of the deuterium ratio (ie
0.065g extra Deuterium) with just 0.12kWh produced.  Perhaps 10-100x in
a typical 10(ish) kWh per ecat Rossi demo such as we have observed this
year.  It would be pretty straight-forward to check for anyone who had
access to even a black box test (just sample the hydrogen released).  It
might also provide a reason why Rossi has not run his demo's for longer -
the Hydrogen gets polluted by Deuterium and needs replacing, something he
cannot do if the hydrogen bottle is disconnected from the units unless he
has a large reservoir of hydrogen inside or attached to the Ecats.  It
would also explain why he states such a high rate of hydrogen consumption
(about 1gram per e-cat per day) - simply to retain relative hydrogen purity.

Those 511keV gammas have a half stopping thickness in lead of 4.1mm, 34mm
for concrete, so that is still a lot of shielding required to cut down to
safe/background levels (25mm would catch about 90%) if it were a straight
hot fusion type process, but we know from numerous Pd-D systems that nasty
gammas are not being released in appreciable numbers, so there must indeed
be some sort of lattice mechanism to capture or limit gamma release.


On 25 November 2011 15:57, Edmund Storms  wrote:

> Good thinking, Robert.  I agree, deuterium is the natural nuclear product
> when H is used. In addition, deuterium is easy to detect because it would
> produce the DH molecule that has mass 3. Mass 3 has a very small peak in a
> mass spectrum.
>
> Ed
>
> On Nov 25, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Robert Lynn wrote:
>
>  Most interesting is the clear evidence for D-D fusion to make He4 in
>> Pd systems, none of this Nickel transmutation business.
>>
>> Does that mean that it is more likely to be H-H fusion making
>> deuterium in Ni-H systems?  The deuterium would be very hard to detect
>> as a reaction product.
>>
>> On 25 November 2011 02:44, Aussie Guy E-Cat 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Q & A session at the end is interesting.
>>>
>>> AG
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/25/2011 1:07 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
>>>

 On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Jouni Valkonen>>> com >
  wrote:


  Quite nice lecture. Here are each video segments with direct links and
> titles:
>

 If you start with the first it will automatically play all 8 using
 autoplay.

 T



>>>
>>>
>>
>

RE: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

>From Jed:

...

> Additional comments about Rossi at the beginning of the Q&A segment:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWkVyg_iul4
>
> He discusses Rossi's business plans and his frequency generator.
> He says "Rossi is the master of misdirection." He is brilliant
> and his business strategy is brilliant. He is keeping his results
> ambiguous to "avoid competition and the evil eye of the DoE."
>
>
> I like his remark about the "conservation of miracles." The underlying
> physics of the Pd-D and Ni-H must be something in common.

The last question/answer was very encouraging news. Mckubre notes that
Academic interest in conducting CF research is beginning to increase.
Graduate courses are being proposed.

The old guard is dying off.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

Rossi has said it becomes too much Cu. I seem to recall he said the fuel 
was 30% Cu after 6 months and 60% Cu after 12 months.


AG


On 11/26/2011 2:33 AM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote:

moreover Deuterium is known to be a killing contaminant of Ni-H cells...

maybe is it why the fuel have to be changed despite very few is used?

i'm curious to know why the Ni fuel have to be change every 6month, 
while it is very little consumed?
it is "cooked" (crytal lattice modified by heat, chemical reactions), 
or contaminated with Cu, or D ...


anyway , it is good to have at last phenomenological science,
that works before the model know how...
we are far from the dogmatic science and models abused as proof.


2011/11/25 Robert Lynn >


likely 

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Alain dit le Cycliste]

moreover Deuterium is known to be a killing contaminant of Ni-H cells...

maybe is it why the fuel have to be changed despite very few is used?

i'm curious to know why the Ni fuel have to be change every 6month, while
it is very little consumed?
it is "cooked" (crytal lattice modified by heat, chemical reactions), or
contaminated with Cu, or D ...

anyway , it is good to have at last phenomenological science,
that works before the model know how...
we are far from the dogmatic science and models abused as proof.


2011/11/25 Robert Lynn 

> likely

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Robert Lynn]

Most interesting is the clear evidence for D-D fusion to make He4 in
Pd systems, none of this Nickel transmutation business.

Does that mean that it is more likely to be H-H fusion making
deuterium in Ni-H systems?  The deuterium would be very hard to detect
as a reaction product.

On 25 November 2011 02:44, Aussie Guy E-Cat  wrote:
> The Q & A session at the end is interesting.
>
> AG
>
>
> On 11/25/2011 1:07 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Jouni Valkonen
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Quite nice lecture. Here are each video segments with direct links and
>>> titles:
>>
>> If you start with the first it will automatically play all 8 using
>> autoplay.
>>
>> T
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

The Q & A session at the end is interesting.

AG


On 11/25/2011 1:07 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Jouni Valkonen  wrote:



Quite nice lecture. Here are each video segments with direct links and titles:

If you start with the first it will automatically play all 8 using autoplay.

T

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Terry Blanton]

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Jouni Valkonen  wrote:


> Quite nice lecture. Here are each video segments with direct links and titles:

If you start with the first it will automatically play all 8 using autoplay.

T

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Jed Rothwell]

This is a good lecture. It brings things up to date. I think I will add it
to the News at LENR-CANR.org.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Jouni Valkonen]

2011/11/25 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint :
> Thanks Mary!
>
> That is a welcome contribution!!
>

Quite nice lecture. Here are each video segments with direct links and titles:


What Happened to Cold Fusion? (eight parts, total: 102 min)
===
SRI Mike McKubre's Presentation at Cafe Scientifique Silicon Valley (1/8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtweR_qGHEc

Major Segments (2/8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeikEgjC1qg

Department of Energy Reference (3/8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqeA8n37XFg

Necessary but Not Sufficient Conditions (4/8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_XN52jXl78

Gas-Loading Experiments (5/8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYZfgvSFYDM

Experiments by Italian Scientists (6/8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3N3dWlIPUQ

Recap (7/8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QhIWrA4pGI

Q&A Discussion (8/8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWkVyg_iul4

RE: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint]

Thanks Mary!

That is a welcome contribution!!

Happy Thanksgiving,

-mark 

 

From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:48 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

 

Link below is to the first video.  These are from Nov 15 and I have not seem
them mentioned here before -- sorry if this turns out to be redundant.

No time to view it all or to list all the videos.  I think there are 8, each
from around 6 to 10 or so minutes long.  Why not all at once?  I don't know.
If someone has time, I'd like to know where the Rossi coverage is.  I
watched the first video and he promises to give some time to that issue:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtweR_qGHEc

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Jed Rothwell]

In this segment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3N3dWlIPUQ

He discusses some of Piantelli's nuclear evidence around minute 3. Then he
goes on to discuss Rossi.

At 5:40 he calls Rossi a "dodgy character" but later he says he is
brilliant.

He lists of the experiments that has not been made public as far as I know,
at 10:44. This is:

AmpEnerco Run II
Sept. 25, 2009
New Hampshire
64 L H2O [coolant, I think]
T-in 23°C, T-out 46°C
Duration 4 hours
Average P-in <40 W, P-out ~400 W

Additional comments about Rossi at the beginning of the Q&A segment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWkVyg_iul4

He discusses Rossi's business plans and his frequency generator. He says
"Rossi is the master of misdirection." He is brilliant and his business
strategy is brilliant. He is keeping his results ambiguous to "avoid
competition and the evil eye of the DoE."

I like his remark about the "conservation of miracles." The underlying
physics of the Pd-D and Ni-H must be something in common.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Mary Yugo]

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Akira Shirakawa
wrote:

>
> This is the segment where he speaks about Rossi:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=N3N3dWlIPUQ
>

 Thanks Akira.  You're on top of things as usual.

Re: [Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2011-11-24 23:47, Mary Yugo wrote:

don't know.  If someone has time, I'd like to know where the Rossi
coverage is.  I watched the first video and he promises to give some
time to that issue:


I've seen these videos a few days ago. They're quite interesting as a 
whole. I've also found out that McKubre has attempted successfully 
gas-loaded Ni-H experiments.


This is the segment where he speaks about Rossi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3N3dWlIPUQ

Cheers,
S.A.

[Vo]:New Youtube videos from SRI features a lecture by McKubre

[Mary Yugo]

Link below is to the first video.  These are from Nov 15 and I have not
seem them mentioned here before -- sorry if this turns out to be redundant.

No time to view it all or to list all the videos.  I think there are 8,
each from around 6 to 10 or so minutes long.  Why not all at once?  I don't
know.  If someone has time, I'd like to know where the Rossi coverage is.
I watched the first video and he promises to give some time to that issue:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtweR_qGHEc