Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC (mostly): Ground Zero: Madison, Wisconsin, USA's Cairo continues
On 02/21/2011 02:48 AM, Horace Heffner wrote: Carl Marx's dire prediction of the inevitability of a worker's revolution failed to come true in the USA because he didn't anticipate the remedial role of labor unions. Thanks, Horace! I've never run across that insight before -- it's, like, an AHA moment!
[Vo]:OFF TOPIC (mostly): Ground Zero: Madison, Wisconsin, USA's Cairo continues
If you're not interested in the on-going struggle pertaining to two diametrically opposing political POVs vying to steer the direction our economy may soon have to contend with I would recommend skipping this Off-Topic post. Actually, IMHO, it's not entirely off-topic. I hope our planet may soon benefit from the fallout of Rossi Focardi duo (and possibly Mills Co.) work, assuming it's not all smoke and mirrors. In the meantime, we must contend with the reality of the situation: The reality of Broken Economies: Who are we going to blame. Versus How do we fix the problem. Another Brief Public Service Announcement On Friday, Wisconsin's state and local public employees offered to accept all of the economic concessions called for in the budget repair bill - including Governor Walker's pension and health care concessions, the very items our governor originally stated are absolutely necessary in order to solve Wisconsin's looming deficits. (Personally, I knew right from the beginning that the unions would eventually concede to all of Scott Walker's economic austerity cuts, even if it is unfair. It was the right thing to do under the current circumstances.) The unions only asked that Scott Walker remove the provision that does away with 50 years of collective bargaining. Governor Walker flatly turned the offer down. If the issue had really been about solving Wisconsin's looming budget deficit a budgetary solution is now at-hand. The unions have now conceded to all of Walker's key budgetary demands. It has become blatantly clear at this point that the primary agenda in Walker's modus operandi was never about balancing the budget; rather it is to get rid of unions, particularly the right of unions to bargain collectively. It is incredulous to me that our governor is willing to refuse a solution to our state's looming budget crisis by refusing to accept the very fiscal concessions he has constantly been calling for. It is my sincere hope that many readers of this post can at least appreciate why Wisconsin public employees feel just tad ticked off. Walker's political arm twisting is at least finally beginning to leave a bad taste in the mouths of many who in the past could have cared less about politics or unions. Scott Walker not only has an interesting political past life, he has interesting financial backers as well: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/wisconsin-scott-walker-koch-brothers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_%28politician%29 And here's a gem concerning dirty politics: http://milwaukeecourieronline.com/index.php/2010/08/21/walker-fails-to-act-o n-campaign-controversy/ For some of the latest raw video footage of political unrest at the Capital Square: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrionworksVideos PS: 14 Wisconsin senators remain AWOL. At present all it would it take for Scott Walker to get the entirety of his bill passed as-is (with no negotiating), which would include the destruction of collective bargaining would be to nab just one missing senator and force him back to the capital to complete a quorum. Unless several remaining republican senators eventually take heart and demand that their governor follow through on what was presumed to be his original intention to balance the budget, budgetary concessions for which the unions have now met - the writing is on the wall. It was still a good fight. Maybe there will be another day. /Another Brief Public Service Announcement Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks --- Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC (mostly): Ground Zero: Madison, Wisconsin, USA's Cairo continues
Dear Steven, Please, you and Wisconsin accept my empathy, we have similar problems here in Romania but at a more existential level. Your message has helped me to find the simplest explanation and the most general one- of the Crisis and I have already published it at my Ego-Out blog. Best wishes - and solutions to your pending problem Peter On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 6:18 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: If you're not interested in the on-going struggle pertaining to two diametrically opposing political POVs vying to steer the direction our economy may soon have to contend with I would recommend skipping this Off-Topic post. Actually, IMHO, it's not entirely off-topic. I hope our planet may soon benefit from the fallout of Rossi Focardi duo (and possibly Mills Co.) work, assuming it's not all smoke and mirrors. In the meantime, we must contend with the reality of the situation: The reality of Broken Economies: Who are we going to blame… Versus How do we fix the problem. Another Brief Public Service Announcement On Friday, Wisconsin’s state and local public employees offered to accept all of the economic concessions called for in the budget repair bill – including Governor Walker’s pension and health care concessions, the very items our governor originally stated are absolutely necessary in order to solve Wisconsin's looming deficits. (Personally, I knew right from the beginning that the unions would eventually concede to all of Scott Walker's economic austerity cuts, even if it is unfair. It was the right thing to do under the current circumstances.) The unions only asked that Scott Walker remove the provision that does away with 50 years of collective bargaining. Governor Walker flatly turned the offer down. If the issue had really been about solving Wisconsin's looming budget deficit a budgetary solution is now at-hand. The unions have now conceded to all of Walker's key budgetary demands. It has become blatantly clear at this point that the primary agenda in Walker's modus operandi was never about balancing the budget; rather it is to get rid of unions, particularly the right of unions to bargain collectively. It is incredulous to me that our governor is willing to refuse a solution to our state's looming budget crisis by refusing to accept the very fiscal concessions he has constantly been calling for. It is my sincere hope that many readers of this post can at least appreciate why Wisconsin public employees feel just tad ticked off. Walker's political arm twisting is at least finally beginning to leave a bad taste in the mouths of many who in the past could have cared less about politics or unions. Scott Walker not only has an interesting political past life, he has interesting financial backers as well: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/wisconsin-scott-walker-koch-brothers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_%28politician%29 And here's a gem concerning dirty politics: http://milwaukeecourieronline.com/index.php/2010/08/21/walker-fails-to-act-on-campaign-controversy/ For some of the latest raw video footage of political unrest at the Capital Square: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrionworksVideos PS: 14 Wisconsin senators remain AWOL. At present all it would it take for Scott Walker to get the entirety of his bill passed as-is (with no negotiating), which would include the destruction of collective bargaining would be to nab just one “missing” senator and force him back to the capital to complete a quorum. Unless several remaining republican senators eventually take heart and demand that their governor follow through on what was presumed to be his original intention to balance the budget, budgetary concessions for which the unions have now met – the writing is on the wall. It was still a good fight. Maybe there will be another day. /Another Brief Public Service Announcement Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks --- Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC (mostly): Ground Zero: Madison, Wisconsin, USA's Cairo continues
Wisconsin Democratic aide says governor must compromise http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/21/us-wisconsin-protests-democrats-idUSTRE71I3Y420110221 (article provides a summary of the issues) harry From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 12:51:36 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC (mostly): Ground Zero: Madison, Wisconsin, USA's Cairo continues Dear Steven, Please, you and Wisconsin accept my empathy, we have similar problems here in Romania but at a more existential level. Your message has helped me to find the simplest explanation and the most general one- of the Crisis and I have already published it at my Ego-Out blog. Best wishes - and solutions to your pending problem Peter On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 6:18 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: If you're not interested in the on-going struggle pertaining to two diametrically opposing political POVs vying to steer the direction our economy may soon have to contend with I would recommend skipping this Off-Topic post. Actually, IMHO, it's not entirely off-topic. I hope our planet may soon benefit from the fallout of Rossi Focardi duo (and possibly Mills Co.) work, assuming it's not all smoke and mirrors. In the meantime, we must contend with the reality of the situation: The reality of Broken Economies: Who are we going to blame… Versus How do we fix the problem. Another Brief Public Service Announcement On Friday, Wisconsin’s state and local public employees offered to accept all of the economic concessions called for in the budget repair bill – including Governor Walker’s pension and health care concessions, the very items our governor originally stated are absolutely necessary in order to solve Wisconsin's looming deficits. (Personally, I knew right from the beginning that the unions would eventually concede to all of Scott Walker's economic austerity cuts, even if it is unfair. It was the right thing to do under the current circumstances.) The unions only asked that Scott Walker remove the provision that does away with 50 years of collective bargaining. Governor Walker flatly turned the offer down. If the issue had really been about solving Wisconsin's looming budget deficit a budgetary solution is now at-hand. The unions have now conceded to all of Walker's key budgetary demands. It has become blatantly clear at this point that the primary agenda in Walker's modus operandi was never about balancing the budget; rather it is to get rid of unions, particularly the right of unions to bargain collectively. It is incredulous to me that our governor is willing to refuse a solution to our state's looming budget crisis by refusing to accept the very fiscal concessions he has constantly been calling for. It is my sincere hope that many readers of this post can at least appreciate why Wisconsin public employees feel just tad ticked off. Walker's political arm twisting is at least finally beginning to leave a bad taste in the mouths of many who in the past could have cared less about politics or unions. Scott Walker not only has an interesting political past life, he has interesting financial backers as well: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/wisconsin-scott-walker-koch-brothers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_%28politician%29 And here's a gem concerning dirty politics: http://milwaukeecourieronline.com/index.php/2010/08/21/walker-fails-to-act-on-campaign-controversy/ For some of the latest raw video footage of political unrest at the Capital Square: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrionworksVideos PS: 14 Wisconsin senators remain AWOL. At present all it would it take for Scott Walker to get the entirety of his bill passed as-is (with no negotiating), which would include the destruction of collective bargaining would be to nab just one “missing” senator and force him back to the capital to complete a quorum. Unless several remaining republican senators eventually take heart and demand that their governor follow through on what was presumed to be his original intention to balance the budget, budgetary concessions for which the unions have now met – the writing is on the wall. It was still a good fight. Maybe there will be another day. /Another Brief Public Service Announcement Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks --- Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC (mostly): Ground Zero: Madison, Wisconsin, USA's Cairo continues
Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana Carl Marx's dire prediction of the inevitability of a worker's revolution failed to come true in the USA because he didn't anticipate the remedial role of labor unions. Also, the turn of the 20th century was a time of much religious fervor in the USA, and high moral ideals for many. These things helped the USA suffer through the depression hardships with nominal civil unrest. These factors are now greatly diminished in their capacity to help us thorough the calamity that can ensue if the bond market collapses, precipitating a second stock market and real estate market collapse, stress on the banks, problems with food production and problems with the transportation network. Default on some state and municipal bonds is already a feared possibility. Shutting down already shaky local governments by starting civil unrest only adds to the likelihood of default, and the severity of the consequences. Unthinking adherence to dogma in the face of grievously inhumane consequences is truly evil. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
