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[Terry Blanton]

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> A superfund site such as an
> old battery factory with lead in the ground costs tens of millions.

Then there's Hanford, whose waste vitrification plant alone cost
$12,000,000,000.

And there's the human cost.  My secretary, who is from that area,
sports the "Hanford Smile", a scar on her neck where her malignant
thyroid was removed.

T

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[Mary Yugo]

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Mary Yugo  wrote:
>
>
>> I'm sure it was minor for you -- you don't live there.
>
>
> There have been environmental cleanup and remediation projects within a
> few miles of my house a lot bigger than this, at the end of the pipeline
> from Texas to Georgia. We had a fuel tank explode. Heck, there was a dry
> cleaning plant in Chamblee that cost hundreds of thousands to clean up, and
> many months.
>
>

" To reclaim the
1997had
been spent 57 billion
pounds
[5]supported
by the Lombardy
Regionand
the
State(in
2004 it will spend 41 million euros
[10])."
 (from the Italian Wiki).  I think the translation was bad and 57
billion *pounds *should have been *lira*.  The 41 million Euros is
correctly translated.  Hardly a broken fuel tank in a corner gas station.
Where do you get those comparisons?

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[Jed Rothwell]

Mary Yugo  wrote:


> I'm sure it was minor for you -- you don't live there.


There have been environmental cleanup and remediation projects within a few
miles of my house a lot bigger than this, at the end of the pipeline from
Texas to Georgia. We had a fuel tank explode. Heck, there was a dry
cleaning plant in Chamblee that cost hundreds of thousands to clean up, and
many months.


  For the people dealing with millions of pounds of toxic waste at a cost
> of millions of dollars, it was far from trivial.


A clean up costing millions of dollars is minor. A superfund site such as
an old battery factory with lead in the ground costs tens of millions.



> By the way, do you always excuse outrageous neglect and/or criminality by
> pointing out the world's worst cases as counterpoint?   Is Fukushima
> somehow an excuse for Petroldragon?  Really?


YOU are the one who called this a "stupendously expensive and
environmentally disastrous failure." You made that absurd comparison, not
me!

-  Jed

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[Mary Yugo]

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Mary Yugo wrote:
>
>  Rossi views the mention of Petroldragon, a stupendously expensive and
>> environmentally disastrous failure,
>>
>>
> That is an absurd exaggeration. A thing like that can be cleaned up
> without much difficulty or expense. A "stupendously expensive and
> environmentally disastrous failure" would be something like the Deepwater
> Horizon oil spill or the Fukushima nuclear plant disaster.
>
> Petroldragon was a minor, annoying, short term problem.
>


I'm sure it was minor for you -- you don't live there.  For the people
dealing with millions of pounds of toxic waste at a cost of millions of
dollars, it was far from trivial.  See for example:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fit.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPetroldragon

By the way, do you always excuse outrageous neglect and/or criminality by
pointing out the world's worst cases as counterpoint?   Is Fukushima
somehow an excuse for Petroldragon?  Really?

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[Jed Rothwell]

Mary Yugo wrote:

Rossi views the mention of Petroldragon, a stupendously expensive and 
environmentally disastrous failure,




That is an absurd exaggeration. A thing like that can be cleaned up 
without much difficulty or expense. A "stupendously expensive and 
environmentally disastrous failure" would be something like the 
Deepwater Horizon oil spill or the Fukushima nuclear plant disaster.


Petroldragon was a minor, annoying, short term problem.

- Jed

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[Mary Yugo]

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Akira Shirakawa
wrote:

>
> Therefore, putting aside the actual content of the talks (which could have
> ended either positively or not), this news must in my opinion be regarded
> as a good one, because the more people and entities get involved, the
> bigger are the chances that we'll know soon if all of this is either the
> biggest scam ever conceived or the next big revolution in energy.
>

Agreed up until the above.  If this is an investor scam, it's probably not
the biggest.  It depends on definitions.  Without question, it won't rival
Bernard Madoff's performance.  In terms of attention from the scientific
community, I don't know how big it really is.  There are a lot of web sites
but how many reputable scientists and technologists are following Rossi and
Defkalion isn't clear.  I suspect a lot of the following is pretty casual
at this point.  And how many believe Rossi based on the evidence provided
thus far is probably even fewer.  It's just that those folks are very vocal
and many critics and skeptics tend not to bother.

As to whether or not we will know soon, it depends.  If Rossi is
legitimate, we might.  If he's conducting an investor scam, perhaps we
won't.  Steorn equivocated and gave lousy "demos" for more than five years
and they are still going.  What is really going on at BLP and Eestor is
still unknown.  Mark Goldes still makes big claims all over the internet
and has never delivered a single thing.  Sterling Allan's web site is
always full of promises of free energy, magnetic and gravity motors, and
the like and it's the same silly ones over and over again -- Bedini, Dennis
Lee, Bearden, Aviso and so on.

As time passes, more and more people acknowledge that Steorn is probably
scamming but there are still holdouts.  And nobody has been able to get
iron clad proof, as in a court of law.  So I wouldn't count on resolution
of the issues around Defkalion and Rossi any time soon.  Of course, the
more time passes without a single incontrovertible independent test of
either of their devices, the more it will appear to be a fraud.  But when
will we *know* for sure what it is?  Don't hold your breath!

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[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2012-01-03 17:42, Mary Yugo wrote:


Interesting way to put it.  I suppose it "could be true".  But there is
plenty of reason to doubt that it *is* true.


This should be easily verifiable, differently than when Rossi speaks of 
"secret" individuals or entities.



We've been all over that
ground before. And this is not the same sort of story as the one
involving National Instruments which turned out to be false.  If NI had
in fact *bought* Rossi's supposed megawatt plant, it would be very
significant because it is doubtful that they would do it without due
diligence. But all that was about is that Rossi is an NI customer.  Big
deal.


I don't recall Rossi himself saying that NI was a customer of his 
1-megawatt plants. That he was in a partnership with them (or something 
along these lines), yes however. Besides, it appears that NI is giving 
Rossi's company Leonardo Corporation more credit than what would be 
normally expected as a simple customer of theirs:


http://digital.ni.com/worldwide/bwcontent.nsf/websearch/2c6b449a3f0f8f3a862579480060a07f

Of course, this might mean nothing, and NI might be simply just 
providing ordinary hardware to Rossi like with countless other companies.



If Rossi is in talks with Home Depot, which has not even been confirmed,


Again, this should be easy to confirm.


all it would mean is more talk.  We've been all over that ground as
well.  Rossi talks a lot.


My point is that to my memory he never lied when referring to specific 
(verifiable) names and entities, so it's probable that the notion that 
Rossi is in talks with Home Depot is true.


Therefore, putting aside the actual content of the talks (which could 
have ended either positively or not), this news must in my opinion be 
regarded as a good one, because the more people and entities get 
involved, the bigger are the chances that we'll know soon if all of this 
is either the biggest scam ever conceived or the next big revolution in 
energy.


Cheers,
S.A.