[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy

2012-02-18 Thread Harry Veeder
2012/2/16 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com:
 So Rossi doesn't take money from investors, but he does take money
 from the sale of licenses for an unreliable product. Is this a responsible
 way to run a business?

 Harry, what's your point?

 Surely you realize the fact that many within the Vort Collective
 question Rossi's business practices. And so do I. It's exacerbated by
 the fact that Rossi tells us only what he wants to tell us, so who the
 hell really knows what is happening.

 I also know that I'm not in Rossi's shoes. Are you in his shoes? Do
 you really know what's happening?


Rossi doesn't just selectively reveal information about the state his
business he also lies about the state of his business. I don't think
the misinformation is part of some brilliant business stragety.
Instead, I think he lies out of a sense of shame of appearing
falliable and therefore weak.  Perhaps he behaves this way because he
his mother or father did not tolerate failure. Anyway a recognition of
your own weakness is essential for success in any endeavour.

harry



[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy

2012-02-18 Thread Terry Blanton
2012/2/18 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com:

 Perhaps he behaves this way because he
 his mother or father did not tolerate failure.

Or poor potty training.

T



[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy

2012-02-16 Thread Andre Blum


Nowhere does Rossi say the invoice is fabricated. He just says it is 
'unvalid', which apart from not entirely correct or usual English, is a 
bit vague, and maybe intentionally so. (he might be conveniently hiding 
behind his language barrier, here, knowing he gives the impression that 
it is fabricated, but keeping options open in case more evidence pops up).


My feeling is that the invoice is real. The rest of the message very 
much acknowledges that he has indeed been selling commercial licenses 
bound to territories, so I wouldn't know why the Byron New Energy 
Charity Trust couldn't be one of them. [ Nor do I understand exactly why 
that would incriminate Rossi much ]


Rossi puts his faith in the strangest people (remember Rossi allowing 
Stirling Allen to build his official website? You may think what you 
want of Stirling, a lot of that was discussed earlier this week, but one 
thing is clear: he can NOT build a decent website).


The 'unvalid' theoretically might more indirectly refer to the 
'invalidness' of the act of bringing the invoice out to the public, 
which must probably conflict with the NDA he had with Byron, and that is 
what his attorneys are looking at.


Final remark: the invoice # (101) is interesting. Either he has sent 100 
previous invoices, or it is hist first. I know when I was 20 and had my 
first company, I started my first invoice with # 101 for not wanting to 
show that I was such a rookie.


Andre



On 02/16/2012 12:10 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:

Regarding:


http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185662


Andrea Rossi
February 16th, 2012 at 7:21 AM

IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ CAREFULLY

Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy:
Since some clown ( probably a “millionaire” clown, who has teamed up with
a puppet snake) has put on the net an unvalid invoice from Leonardo
Corporation, while our attorneys are working on the issue, I deem opportune
to clarify the policy of Leonardo Corporation regarding the commercial
licenses.
We give exclusive commercial licenses for limited territories. When the
interested persons ask to us a commercial license to sell the E-Cats we make
an offer. The price of the license depends on many factors, regarding the
Territory. If the interested persons agree upon the text that we propose, we
send a text of an agreement, which is obviously covered by NDA. The
uncorrect persons do not respect the NDA and our attorneys take care of
them. After the interested persons sign the agreement, we send an invoice,
and the agreement is deemed valid only after the payment of the license fee
is done within the term agreed. If the payment is not done, the agreement
expires and that invoice for which the payment has not been made is
compensated in the accounting by a credit memo.
When a Customer asks to buy a product of Leonardo Corp, he is addressed to
the proper licensee.
All the persons interested to our commercial licenses can send the request
and a description of their organization to:
i...@leonardocorp1996.com
I must add that practically all the world’s Territories have been already
licensed. Soon we will organize a convention of all our Licensees, for the
presentation of the E-Cat, in the final shape that will be marketed, and in
that occasion we will give the full list of all our Licensees. The most
important Territories in which we have not yet found the right licensee are:
1- Russia
2- Japan
We take this occasion to solicit the People interested to these
territories to contact us. Attention: we give the licences only to
Organizations which are settled inside the Territories for which they want
to buy the license.
Warm Regards,
Andrea Rossi
CEO of Leonardo Corp.

I assume this is in reference to the following PDF file of an alleged
INVOICE posted on Krivit's NET site:

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Solihin-Millin/20120127Rossi-Invoice-Redact.pdf

Rossi's seems to be claiming this alleged document is nothing more
than a complete fabrication. I see three possible scenarios that come
to mind in regards to what this could possibly mean for Krivit.

SCENARIO ONE: Depending on how one interprets what Rossi is actually
saying here it still seems conceivable to me that Leonardo Corp
actually did send this document to Bryon New Energy Charitable Trust.
However, it's not clear to me whether the document was an actual bill
or just an initial proposal to pay a certain amount of money in
exchange for a product. It's possible the invoice Krivit received
was incomplete, meaning that there may have been additional pages
containing wording that spelled out specific terms and conditions. In
my own experience requests (invoices) for services or products between
interested parties are sent out all the time with dollar figures
attached on the last page. It's all part of the on-going negotiation
process. It's called bargaining! Negotiations of this nature are
typically done IN PRIVATE. In my 

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy

2012-02-16 Thread Robert McKay
2012/2/16 Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl:

 Nowhere does Rossi say the invoice is fabricated. He just says it is
 'unvalid', which apart from not entirely correct or usual English, is a bit
 vague, and maybe intentionally so. (he might be conveniently hiding behind
 his language barrier, here, knowing he gives the impression that it is
 fabricated, but keeping options open in case more evidence pops up).

 My feeling is that the invoice is real. The rest of the message very much
 acknowledges that he has indeed been selling commercial licenses bound to
 territories, so I wouldn't know why the Byron New Energy Charity Trust
 couldn't be one of them. [ Nor do I understand exactly why that would
 incriminate Rossi much ]

Agreed. See this paragraph of Rossi's post;

After the interested persons sign the agreement, we send an invoice,
and the agreement is deemed valid only after the payment of the
license fee is done within the term agreed. If the payment is not
done, the agreement expires and that invoice for which the payment has
not been made is compensated in the accounting by a credit memo.

So basically he seems to be saying that invoice is 'unvalid' because
Byron never paid him.

Rob



[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy

2012-02-16 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
 So Rossi doesn't take money from investors, but he does take money
 from the sale of licenses for an unreliable product. Is this a responsible
 way to run a business?

Harry, what's your point?

Surely you realize the fact that many within the Vort Collective
question Rossi's business practices. And so do I. It's exacerbated by
the fact that Rossi tells us only what he wants to tell us, so who the
hell really knows what is happening.

I also know that I'm not in Rossi's shoes. Are you in his shoes? Do
you really know what's happening?

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks