Re: [Vo]:Re: How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time
Harry, I can’t speak to your method but I am convinced that you are correct in thinking whatever method provides LENR anomalies should work both ways and that driving the system in reverse we should be able to “push” against whatever the underlying source of force of the anomaly happens to ultimately be.. if I am correct about relativistic/ZPE we will get inertia less drive soon after robust LENR is mastered. I am also ok with the source being a new form of nuclear reaction – at this point I don’t care who is right just want to see a working device demonstrated so the ball will finally get rolling. Fran From: H Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 2:20 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time Here is example of resonant system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaxw4zbULMs Treat the concealed spring mechanism within each metronome as a model of a nucleus. However, instead of the pendulum being driven from previously stored energy in the spring, as happens in the video, imagine redesigning the link between the pendulum and the spring so that the spring is wound up as the pendulum oscillates. The pendulum oscillations would be powered from a force pushing the platform back and forth on the cans. Harry On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com<mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Harry-- It may be possible with proper design. It would seem to take a coherent system (entangled QM system) of electrons and various nuclei in which the electronic structure could be excited to an elevated energy state which would then be brought into resonance with a nucleus or several nucleus which would then transition to a metastable state or new nuclei will less stability (greater binding energy per nucleon) than the original coherent system of nuclei and electrons. (Einstein's assumed equivalence of the various types of energy would apply here.) Bob Cook From: H Veeder<mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time Could this process work in reverse, so that the energy of the electrons could be transferred to the nucleons and stored in the nucleus? Harry On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Bob Cook wrote: I have long thought that the magnetic field in a metal aligns the spins of the electrons as well as the nucleons and provides a coupling mechanism to match resonances and hence allow transfer of nuclear spin potential energy to the phonic energy of electrons.
RE: [Vo]:Re: How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time
I wonder if said nucleons would then tie together multiple inertial frames and if so would the inertia of the macro object be modified? Maybe a grain of truth behind claims of gravity modification / levitation myths without the need for collider scale superconductors using instead quantum effect of suppression geometry on ambient trapped gas inside limestone lattice. Fran From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:33 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time Harry-- It may be possible with proper design. It would seem to take a coherent system (entangled QM system) of electrons and various nuclei in which the electronic structure could be excited to an elevated energy state which would then be brought into resonance with a nucleus or several nucleus which would then transition to a metastable state or new nuclei will less stability (greater binding energy per nucleon) than the original coherent system of nuclei and electrons. (Einstein's assumed equivalence of the various types of energy would apply here.) Bob Cook From: H Veeder<mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time Could this process work in reverse, so that the energy of the electrons could be transferred to the nucleons and stored in the nucleus? Harry On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Bob Cook wrote: I have long thought that the magnetic field in a metal aligns the spins of the electrons as well as the nucleons and provides a coupling mechanism to match resonances and hence allow transfer of nuclear spin potential energy to the phonic energy of electrons.
Re: [Vo]:Re: How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time
Here is example of resonant system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaxw4zbULMs Treat the concealed spring mechanism within each metronome as a model of a nucleus. However, instead of the pendulum being driven from previously stored energy in the spring, as happens in the video, imagine redesigning the link between the pendulum and the spring so that the spring is wound up as the pendulum oscillates. The pendulum oscillations would be powered from a force pushing the platform back and forth on the cans. Harry On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Harry-- > > It may be possible with proper design. It would seem to take a coherent > system (entangled QM system) of electrons and various nuclei in which the > electronic structure could be excited to an elevated energy state which > would then be brought into resonance with a nucleus or several nucleus > which would then transition to a metastable state or new nuclei will less > stability (greater binding energy per nucleon) than the original coherent > system of nuclei and electrons. (Einstein's assumed equivalence of the > various types of energy would apply here.) > > Bob Cook > > > *From:* H Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 10:48 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time > > Could this process work in reverse, so that the energy of the electrons > could be transferred to the nucleons and stored in the nucleus? > > Harry > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Bob Cook wrote: > >> >> >> I have long thought that the magnetic field in a metal aligns the spins >> of the electrons as well as the nucleons and provides a coupling mechanism >> to match resonances and hence allow transfer of nuclear spin potential >> energy to the phonic energy of electrons. >> >> >
[Vo]:Re: How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time
Harry-- It may be possible with proper design. It would seem to take a coherent system (entangled QM system) of electrons and various nuclei in which the electronic structure could be excited to an elevated energy state which would then be brought into resonance with a nucleus or several nucleus which would then transition to a metastable state or new nuclei will less stability (greater binding energy per nucleon) than the original coherent system of nuclei and electrons. (Einstein's assumed equivalence of the various types of energy would apply here.) Bob Cook From: H Veeder Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time Could this process work in reverse, so that the energy of the electrons could be transferred to the nucleons and stored in the nucleus? Harry On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Bob Cook wrote: I have long thought that the magnetic field in a metal aligns the spins of the electrons as well as the nucleons and provides a coupling mechanism to match resonances and hence allow transfer of nuclear spin potential energy to the phonic energy of electrons.
[Vo]:Re: How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time
Dave-- I would say so—it would be a surprise. Bob Cook From: David Roberson Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:47 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time If you assume that energy is stored within the field structure then it follows that space would be warped by the mass associated with that energy. Would it not be a surprise to find otherwise? Dave -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 11, 2016 9:16 am Subject: RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time Hi Jack, I have been following this also and even the proposed use of large superconducting magnets in a collider are only expected to produce miniscule variations but just proving the correlation is a very important step and I think LENR will benefit enormously. Jones’ focus on a correlation between magnetic fields and LENR may turn out to be an understatement if, as I suspect, there is synergy between the suppression of a lattice NAE and the size of the magnetic field needed to redirect gravity. Fran From: Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com?] Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group. Seems interesting and has at least been accepted for publication in Physical Review D. The full paper is available on Arxiv. They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and detecting the effects. There does not seem to be any new physics proposed. Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no practical value in the immediate future, they note: "Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic field in laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability to produce, detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields. And would this technology be developed, it could lead to amazing applications like the controlled emission of gravitational waves with large alternative electric currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of the four fundamental forces not under control by human beings." Jack
