Re: [Vo]:Re: Microwave based motor

[Alex]

intensive microwaves + H2 = BOOM

?Has anybody ever experimented microwaving H2/Hydrogen in a vacuum?
OR maybe we should start with He/Helium first~;)

> From: jone...@pacbell.net
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Microwave based motor
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:40:31 -0800
>
> Yes and No.
>
> The microwave lawnmower will run, if you plug the magnetron into the 
grid -
> but it does not work in the sense that it cannot be looped to 
provide enough

> power from an alternator to make the microwaves. I doubt if the net
> efficiency is over 10%.
>
> However, that is about the same efficiency as the Papp "popper", and 
we have

> seen that a dedicated scammer can make a small fortune on that one.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alex
>
> Hello,
> First Sorry in the previous Mail I dont specify where the plan is.
> I found a plan to make a microwave based motor, is this TRUE?
> Could it work?
>
> It looks a bit like the motor will run and run and just use a bit water.
>
> http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/magputt.txt
>
> Alex H.
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Re: Microwave based motor

[Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan]

?Has anybody ever experimented microwaving H2/Hydrogen in a vacuum?
OR maybe we should start with He/Helium first~;)
 

> From: jone...@pacbell.net
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Microwave based motor
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:40:31 -0800
> 
> Yes and No. 
> 
> The microwave lawnmower will run, if you plug the magnetron into the grid -
> but it does not work in the sense that it cannot be looped to provide enough
> power from an alternator to make the microwaves. I doubt if the net
> efficiency is over 10%.
> 
> However, that is about the same efficiency as the Papp "popper", and we have
> seen that a dedicated scammer can make a small fortune on that one.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alex 
> 
> Hello,
> First Sorry in the previous Mail I dont specify where the plan is.
> I found a plan to make a microwave based motor, is this TRUE?
> Could it work?
> 
> It looks a bit like the motor will run and run and just use a bit water.
> 
> http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/magputt.txt
> 
> Alex H.
> 
> 
> 
  

Re: [Vo]:Re: Microwave based motor

[Abd ul-Rahman Lomax]

At 03:42 PM 1/12/2013, Alex wrote:

This second link says much about the possibilty of this microwave motor.
But in the end I am not really able to try it, because once they 
were speaking about electrolysis from water into hydrogen then about 
splitting water with microwaves and then about making steam with 
microwaves and this should give a overunity.


BUT what is the Conclusion in the end?
Because I want to convert a internal combustion engine which uses 
petrol as fuel to use hydrogen. Well that is possible with a 
elecrolysis engine. But what about the steam generated by a magnetron?


I dont want some fake answers, just answers which are correct.


How about "there is no answer there"? Is that correct?

The idea described does not use water as a fuel, it uses water as a 
"working fluid." The water described is vaporized by microwave 
energy, supplied by a magnetron. There was no evidence provided that 
any energy was released over what was put in, electrically, by the 
magnetron. There were, though, some possibly confused or confusing statements.


It's a fancy kind of electric motor. As was ultimately described, you 
could, if you wanted, recycle the water. If the steam is allowed to 
exit the cyclinder on the return of the piston, with new water (as an 
atomized mist, presumably) sprayed into the cylinder for the next 
cycle. The exhaust water need be cooled only enough that it 
condenses, and if the water entering the cylinder is hot, it would 
take less energy to vaporize it.


However, TANSTAAFL. There will be waste heat, and any energy 
converted to work by the piston must come from the magnetron.


A little more below.



  Discussion: microwave motor.
  http://amasci.com/freenrg/magnet.html


When other users asked the message-poster "Tim Chandler" whether 
his claim was a joke, he stopped posting...



From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2...@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: magnetron engine O/U?
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 01:36:29 -0700 (PDT)
On May 12 Mike Butcher wrote:

  > "Did I understand this correctly, you did get a self-running
  >  engine to operate just on water? If this is the case then
  >  your statement "nothing more nothing less" seems a bit
  >  casual. Or have I misunderstood and you tried and failed to
  >  get the engine to operate in such a self sustaining mode?"
Me too, Mike. Frankly, I'm rather suspicious this story was put 
here to tease us a bit. My apologies to Timothy Chandler if it's a 
true story, but I think you have to admit it looks a little 
strange as posted here. It's like, yeah, we got an engine to run 
on *nothing but water*, and then just shrugged and went on with 
our lives.  I basically thought it might have been posted as a joke.


Actually, Tim Chandler posted again, 20 July, 1996.


>There has been some talk on this list of how to modify a
>standard combustion engine to use Microwaves and water as
>fuel.
>
>Has anyone done this to a car's engine?

Yes I know of someone who did try it, last I checked, he wasn't very 
successful.


>If anyone has done this, how can I get in touch with them?

I will see if I can dig up his email address and send it to you...
[...]
Tim


May 13, Rick Monteverde had written:


[...] Mike. Frankly, I'm rather suspicious this story was put here to tease
us a bit. My apologies to Timothy Chandler if it's a true story, but I think
you have to admit it looks a little strange as posted here. It's 
like, yeah, we
got an engine to run on *nothing but water*, and then just shrugged 
and went on
with our lives.  I basically thought it might have been posted as a 
joke. [...]


Before that, Tim Chandler had written:


Rather than using a battery, we took the time to modify the existing
ignition coil setup on the engine, in order that it would properly
trigger/fire the magnetron.  For our first few runs we did however use an
external power supply to power the filiment heater on the magnetron (approx.
3VAC), but eventually that too was supplied by the ignition system.  So we
really had no battery, to go dead, the power was generated and used...

I personally did not handle the major modifications to the ignition system,
and I do not recall exactly what they were.  I have however skoke with the
guy who did redesign it, he said he would draw up a schematic and send it to
me when he finishes up with his finals (which are all this week).  Once I
get the schematic I will post it to the list.


This is a striking claim. From other discussion and a report of a 
phone conversation with Tim, they used a "magnatron," note the 
spelling difference. This ignition device generates an impulse of 
power from rotation of a permanent magnet or magnets past a coil. If 
the engine actually ran and maintained rotation even without load, 
this would be a remarkable achievement, apparently violating 
conservation of energy. (Some energy must be lost in heating of the 
components, so the available energy to "recycle" would decline. 
Unless there was other energy stora

Re: [Vo]:Re: Microwave based motor

[Eric Walker]

>From the link on Bill's page [1]:

"The engine I have invented is far more efficient than any other steam
engine
because the efficiency of the magnetron in turning water into steam.  In
fact,
the water droplet 'explodes' very much like air/gasoline explodes in a
conventional internal combustion engine."

It sounds a little like Heinz Klostermann's reworked air-fueled popper [2].

Eric

[1] 
http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/**magputt.txt
[2]
http://coldfusionnow.org/heinz-klostermann-on-the-papp-engine-there-should-be-a-marshall-plan-to-support-this/


On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 2:15 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Alex's message of Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:42:54 +0100:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >BUT what is the Conclusion in the end?
> >Because I want to convert a internal combustion engine which uses petrol
> >as fuel to use hydrogen. Well that is possible with a elecrolysis
> >engine. But what about the steam generated by a magnetron?
> >
> >I dont want some fake answers, just answers which are correct.
>
> I doubt anyone on this list knows for sure. The short answer is try it and
> see.
> Let us know if it works. Hydrino formation would be one possible
> explanation,
> potentially with some nuclear reactions as a result of the Hydrino
> formation.
> If you build and run it, then also test for gamma-ray production (Geiger
> counter).
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: Microwave based motor

[mixent]

In reply to  Alex's message of Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:42:54 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
>BUT what is the Conclusion in the end?
>Because I want to convert a internal combustion engine which uses petrol 
>as fuel to use hydrogen. Well that is possible with a elecrolysis 
>engine. But what about the steam generated by a magnetron?
>
>I dont want some fake answers, just answers which are correct.

I doubt anyone on this list knows for sure. The short answer is try it and see.
Let us know if it works. Hydrino formation would be one possible explanation,
potentially with some nuclear reactions as a result of the Hydrino formation.
If you build and run it, then also test for gamma-ray production (Geiger
counter).
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Re: Microwave based motor

[Alex]

This second link says much about the possibilty of this microwave motor.
But in the end I am not really able to try it, because once they were 
speaking about electrolysis from water into hydrogen then about 
splitting water with microwaves and then about making steam with 
microwaves and this should give a overunity.


BUT what is the Conclusion in the end?
Because I want to convert a internal combustion engine which uses petrol 
as fuel to use hydrogen. Well that is possible with a elecrolysis 
engine. But what about the steam generated by a magnetron?


I dont want some fake answers, just answers which are correct.


  Discussion: microwave motor.
  http://amasci.com/freenrg/magnet.html


When other users asked the message-poster "Tim Chandler" whether his 
claim was a joke, he stopped posting...



From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2...@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: magnetron engine O/U?
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 01:36:29 -0700 (PDT)
On May 12 Mike Butcher wrote:

  > "Did I understand this correctly, you did get a self-running
  >  engine to operate just on water? If this is the case then
  >  your statement "nothing more nothing less" seems a bit
  >  casual. Or have I misunderstood and you tried and failed to
  >  get the engine to operate in such a self sustaining mode?"
Me too, Mike. Frankly, I'm rather suspicious this story was put here 
to tease us a bit. My apologies to Timothy Chandler if it's a true 
story, but I think you have to admit it looks a little strange as 
posted here. It's like, yeah, we got an engine to run on *nothing but 
water*, and then just shrugged and went on with our lives.  I 
basically thought it might have been posted as a joke.






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Seattle, WA  206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci

Re: [Vo]:Re: Microwave based motor

[William Beaty]

On Sat, 12 Jan 2013, Alex wrote:


Hello,
First Sorry in the previous Mail I dont specify where the plan is.

http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/magputt.html


That one is listed on "not your average construction project" as Microwave 
O/U Lawnmower Engine.  Also read the second file:


  Discussion: microwave motor.
  http://amasci.com/freenrg/magnet.html


When other users asked the message-poster "Tim Chandler" whether his claim 
was a joke, he stopped posting...



From: Rick Monteverde <76216.2...@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: magnetron engine O/U?
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 01:36:29 -0700 (PDT)
On May 12 Mike Butcher wrote:

  > "Did I understand this correctly, you did get a self-running
  >  engine to operate just on water? If this is the case then
  >  your statement "nothing more nothing less" seems a bit
  >  casual. Or have I misunderstood and you tried and failed to
  >  get the engine to operate in such a self sustaining mode?"
Me too, Mike. Frankly, I'm rather suspicious this story was put here to 
tease us a bit. My apologies to Timothy Chandler if it's a true story, 
but I think you have to admit it looks a little strange as posted here. 
It's like, yeah, we got an engine to run on *nothing but water*, and 
then just shrugged and went on with our lives.  I basically thought it 
might have been posted as a joke.






(( ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) )))
William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website
billb at amasci com http://amasci.com
EE/programmer/sci-exhibits   amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair
Seattle, WA  206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci

RE: [Vo]:Re: Microwave based motor

[Jones Beene]

Yes and No. 

The microwave lawnmower will run, if you plug the magnetron into the grid -
but it does not work in the sense that it cannot be looped to provide enough
power from an alternator to make the microwaves. I doubt if the net
efficiency is over 10%.

However, that is about the same efficiency as the Papp "popper", and we have
seen that a dedicated scammer can make a small fortune on that one.


-Original Message-
From: Alex 

Hello,
First Sorry in the previous Mail I dont specify where the plan is.
I found a plan to make a microwave based motor, is this TRUE?
Could it work?

It looks a bit like the motor will run and run and just use a bit water.

http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/magputt.txt

  Alex H.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Microwave based motor

[Alex]

Hello,
First Sorry in the previous Mail I dont specify where the plan is.
I found a plan to make a microwave based motor, is this TRUE?
Could it work?
It looks a bit like the motor will run and run and just use a bit water.

http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/magputt.txt

 Alex H.

RE: [Vo]:Re: Microwave based motor

[Jones Beene]

... not sure who "your plan" refers to, in your question - but this rocket
motor below is as reliable as anything you will see from hot-fusion
aficionados.

http://users.rowan.edu/~marchese/finalpres.pdf
 



-Original Message-
From: Alex 

Hello,

I found your plan to make a microwave based motor, is this TRUE?
Could it work?

Please be honest dont fake me. It looks a bit like the idea of a 
perpeetum mobile, but I dont know.

Alex H. A fascinated Guy who dont know the truth about this

[Vo]:Re: Microwave based motor

[Alex]

Hello,

I found your plan to make a microwave based motor, is this TRUE?
Could it work?
Please be honest dont fake me. It looks a bit like the idea of a 
perpeetum mobile, but I dont know.


Alex H. A fascinated Guy who dont know the truth about this