Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:31:43 -0700: Hi, Try creating 2 volts over a gap that is stuffed with a metal powder i.s.o. air, let alone 10 V. >Robin-- > >The voltage may be an intermittent voltage like in a spark plug. The >current is low but the transient voltage is what is required to initiate the >LENR. Spark plugs in cars develop 20,000 volts as you probably know. I >have been shocked may times by such voltage sources. > >I guessed that the Quark wafer design made use of positive and negative >plates to collect either H- or H+, electrons and/or positrons. I would >guess that the mean free path of an energetic positron would be on the order >of a similar energetic electron. This would be several microns, I believe, >before a reaction with an electron might occur. > >Rossi noted that the Quark-X produced 1/2 thermal energy (maybe from .511 >Mev radiation) and 1/2 direct electrical output. > >Bob Cook > >-Original Message- >From: Roarty, Francis X >Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 6:55 AM >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both? > >Robin the 100kev might be an effect of direct current taking multipaths thru >metal powders loaded with H ions - he doesn't say he is using a 100kv power >supply.. [snip] "4 - a generator of direct current connected with a cathode >and an anode to accelerate the electrons" [/snip] I am thinking micro spark >gap circuits formed of powder grains and gas ions. > >Fran > > >-Original Message- >From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] >Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 5:43 PM >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or >both? > >In reply to a.ashfield's message of Sun, 24 Apr 2016 12:15:22 -0400: >Hi, >[snip] > >I wouldn't put too much stock in this. The metal parts are likely to short >out a >100 kV voltage supply. > >> From the lenr-forum.com >>Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both? >> >>"All replicators should pay attention to Rossi's provisional US-patent >>61/999,582, filing-date: August 01, 2014. Provisional patents are not >>published at USPTO but another site published a copy of this patent >>which contains the following description: >> >> "In a reactor are put nickel powders, hydrides at a pressure of 3-6 >>bars an a temperature of 400-600 Celsius, AND AT ONE SIDE OF THE REACTOR >>IS PUT AN ANODE, AT THE OPPOSITE A CATHODE, so that electrons are >>accelerated up to 100 keV, ..." >> >>At the ends of the reactor are an anode and a cathode!!! >> >>"4 - a generator of direct current connected with a cathode and an >>anode to accelrate the electrons" >> >>So Rossi is using DC to initiate (and maybe control) the reaction. (And >>possibly uses the anode and cathode for direct extraction of electric >>energy after the reaction occured - ECatX.)" >> >>https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/3183-Rossi-s-missing-secret-or-E-CatX-description-or-both/?postID=17802#post17802 >> >> >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > >http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?
Jones-- I would not worry about the NRC. Its jurisdiction does not extend to transmuted waste, unless the transmutation occurs as the result of a reactor that uses a special nuclear material—uranium, plutonium etc. Then it is called a by product material and does fall under NRC licensing. For example, material activation from accelerator operations do not come under NRC purview. I do think EPA regulation covers those accelerated produced wastes. Bob From: Jones Beene Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both? Bob, As mentioned in another thread, John Dash found excess heat and nuclear transmutation using pure titanium cathode and heavy water many years ago. Impurities in the Titanium are not needed… that is, if you use deuterium. But can we accept the consequences of radioactive transmutation products? >From a commercial standpoint, it is desirable to use light water and find >non-nuclear gain via DCE, even if the gain is less. The net cost will be >acceptable since there will be no impediment to usage of the device in >transportation or home, where anything producing toxic isotopes will be >proscribed due to the inevitability of accidents. Titanium hydride is way cheaper than the Hunter nickel powder these days (I recently bought a kilo) but heavy water is locked-in as expensive. It is in mass production already (due to CANDU) so the high cost will go no lower. Even if the yield for TiH2 is an order of magnitude less per unit of titanium, but the cost of deuterium is avoided along with transmutation products and NRC interference, it would seem to be preferable to go the non-nuclear route. This understated and almost unknown R is some of the best news of the year for alternative energy - if it can be validated in the USA: we should look forward to hearing more from the Ukraine/Russian group on this. Wouldn’t they love to make up for the embarrassment of Chernobyl with a breakthrough like this…? From: Bob Cook The correct impurities may allow for a higher reaction temperature for the LENR to go in SS mode. Excess energy from phase transition of the coherent system may be all it takes to induce LENR reactions involving nuclide changes and excess energy. In spite of “Coulomb Barriers”, the system may want to reach a more stable state with lower kinetic energy per nucleon and proceed to accomplish this goal. “ As suggested above, there may be a nuclear source of energy to feed the phase transitions associated with the Ti addition.
RE: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?
Bob, As mentioned in another thread, John Dash found excess heat and nuclear transmutation using pure titanium cathode and heavy water many years ago. Impurities in the Titanium are not needed… that is, if you use deuterium. But can we accept the consequences of radioactive transmutation products? >From a commercial standpoint, it is desirable to use light water and find >non-nuclear gain via DCE, even if the gain is less. The net cost will be >acceptable since there will be no impediment to usage of the device in >transportation or home, where anything producing toxic isotopes will be >proscribed due to the inevitability of accidents. Titanium hydride is way cheaper than the Hunter nickel powder these days (I recently bought a kilo) but heavy water is locked-in as expensive. It is in mass production already (due to CANDU) so the high cost will go no lower. Even if the yield for TiH2 is an order of magnitude less per unit of titanium, but the cost of deuterium is avoided along with transmutation products and NRC interference, it would seem to be preferable to go the non-nuclear route. This understated and almost unknown R is some of the best news of the year for alternative energy - if it can be validated in the USA: we should look forward to hearing more from the Ukraine/Russian group on this. Wouldn’t they love to make up for the embarrassment of Chernobyl with a breakthrough like this…? From: Bob Cook The correct impurities may allow for a higher reaction temperature for the LENR to go in SS mode. Excess energy from phase transition of the coherent system may be all it takes to induce LENR reactions involving nuclide changes and excess energy. In spite of “Coulomb Barriers”, the system may want to reach a more stable state with lower kinetic energy per nucleon and proceed to accomplish this goal. “ As suggested above, there may be a nuclear source of energy to feed the phase transitions associated with the Ti addition.
[Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?
Jones-- Back on April 21 I commented: “Could impurities in the Ti or Ni FCC structure create a bigger 5 atom hole with a greater transition energy, particularly as changes from alpha to beta phases occur? The correct impurities may allow for a higher reaction temperature for the LENR to go in SS mode. Excess energy from phase transition of the coherent system may be all it takes to induce LENR reactions involving nuclide changes and excess energy. In spite of “Coulomb Barriers”, the system may want to reach a more stable state with lower kinetic energy per nucleon and proceed to accomplish this goal. “ As suggested above, there may be a nuclear source of energy to feed the phase transitions associated with the Ti addition. Bob Cook From: Jones Beene Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 10:09 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both? From: Jack Cole Maybe Rossi has finally found something that will work (e.g., using a method similar to Andrew Hrischanovich with titanium). This is interesting work from Ukraine/Russia. One of the claims, according to Alan Smith who translated the documents - is that they have a system where the adsorption / desorption of hydrogen by titanium is exothermic in both directions. That is huge – if true, since it gets us away from the potential problem of inviting scrutiny from the NRC. IOW - this is not LENR and probably not related to Parkhomov. What is most interesting is that it operates like asymmetric phase change, since the volume of material changes at the subnanometer level, and phase change is known to be very energetic is certain circumstances. The precise mechanism for gain could be another instance of DCE – or the Dynamical Casimir Effect – which is a proved phenomenon but heretofore was not very robust and only involved light emission. And we can see why such a system which is cycling around what are operative phase-changes -- would benefit from on/off cycling of the power supply… which… come to think of it… makes the details even more interesting to anyone using TiH2 in an experiment…
[Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?
Bob Cook, Elsewhere Rossi has described the Quark X as being like a pencil and producing 100 W. I assume the casing is made out of a ceramic if the reactor can run at 1400C.
[Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?
Robin-- The voltage may be an intermittent voltage like in a spark plug. The current is low but the transient voltage is what is required to initiate the LENR. Spark plugs in cars develop 20,000 volts as you probably know. I have been shocked may times by such voltage sources. I guessed that the Quark wafer design made use of positive and negative plates to collect either H- or H+, electrons and/or positrons. I would guess that the mean free path of an energetic positron would be on the order of a similar energetic electron. This would be several microns, I believe, before a reaction with an electron might occur. Rossi noted that the Quark-X produced 1/2 thermal energy (maybe from .511 Mev radiation) and 1/2 direct electrical output. Bob Cook -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 6:55 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both? Robin the 100kev might be an effect of direct current taking multipaths thru metal powders loaded with H ions - he doesn't say he is using a 100kv power supply.. [snip] "4 - a generator of direct current connected with a cathode and an anode to accelerate the electrons" [/snip] I am thinking micro spark gap circuits formed of powder grains and gas ions. Fran -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 5:43 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both? In reply to a.ashfield's message of Sun, 24 Apr 2016 12:15:22 -0400: Hi, [snip] I wouldn't put too much stock in this. The metal parts are likely to short out a 100 kV voltage supply. From the lenr-forum.com Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both? "All replicators should pay attention to Rossi's provisional US-patent 61/999,582, filing-date: August 01, 2014. Provisional patents are not published at USPTO but another site published a copy of this patent which contains the following description: "In a reactor are put nickel powders, hydrides at a pressure of 3-6 bars an a temperature of 400-600 Celsius, AND AT ONE SIDE OF THE REACTOR IS PUT AN ANODE, AT THE OPPOSITE A CATHODE, so that electrons are accelerated up to 100 keV, ..." At the ends of the reactor are an anode and a cathode!!! "4 - a generator of direct current connected with a cathode and an anode to accelrate the electrons" So Rossi is using DC to initiate (and maybe control) the reaction. (And possibly uses the anode and cathode for direct extraction of electric energy after the reaction occured - ECatX.)" https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/3183-Rossi-s-missing-secret-or-E-CatX-description-or-both/?postID=17802#post17802 Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
