Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
It's just hyperbole. "How many ways did you try it?" "Thousands!" You are reading it too literally. Craig Haynie On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 22:11 +0100, Mattia Rizzi wrote: > It isn't. (I'm italian). > > > I find it downright unbelievable. > > Everything Rossi said is unbelievable. > Check my question on Ny Teknik about the secret catalyzers patent. > It was filed around end 2009 (public disclosure is 18 month after filing). > But the filing date of the publc available patent is April 2008. > Do you wait one year and half to protect yours ONLY secret (Ni-H reactor are > well know)? > Unbeliveable too. > -- > From: "Jed Rothwell" > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:57 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik > > > Terry Blanton wrote: > > > >> I found it remarkable that he claims to have tried 10,000 permutations > >> of ingredients. > > > > I find it downright unbelievable. Last time he said it was a thousand. Ask > > him again and it will be 100,000. > > > > My guess is that this is an Italian way of way of saying "many" or "a > > whole mess 'o tests" or "more permutations than you can shake a stick at." > > > > - Jed > > >
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
>If you are saying there are two patents, what are they? Do you have the titles >or dates or other information about them? There are two patents request.The first patent request is public: https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?number=EP08873805 The second patent request is secret and contain the catalyzers. From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 1:34 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Mattia Rizzi Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik Mattia Rizzi wrote: >There may be some unique and patentable aspects of the reactor itself, not just the material. The reactor has all those wires going into it, attached to resistance heaters. I assume that is for control. I assume it can be patented. How? The Ni-H reactor is widely know. As Rossi said, it works because there are some catalyzers inside. I have no idea how, but when one of the resistance heaters inside the machine broke, during the January 14 test, performance was degraded. No doubt it works "because there are some catalyzers inside" but there are also heaters and it seems they play a role. There is more than one secret involved. If you are saying there are two patents, what are they? Do you have the titles or dates or other information about them? - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
Mattia Rizzi wrote: >There may be some unique and patentable aspects of the reactor itself, not > just the material. The reactor has all those wires going into it, attached > to resistance heaters. I assume that is for control. I assume it can be > patented. > > How? The Ni-H reactor is widely know. As Rossi said, it works because there > are some catalyzers inside. > I have no idea how, but when one of the resistance heaters inside the machine broke, during the January 14 test, performance was degraded. No doubt it works "because there are some catalyzers inside" but there are also heaters and it seems they play a role. There is more than one secret involved. If you are saying there are two patents, what are they? Do you have the titles or dates or other information about them? - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
Because the secret catalyzer patent is not public, the filing date is after October-November 2009 (today minus 18 months). I can't have more details because is secret, if it exist. >There may be some unique and patentable aspects of the reactor itself, not >just the material. The reactor has all those wires going into it, attached to >resistance heaters. I assume that is for control. I assume it can be patented. How? The Ni-H reactor is widely know. As Rossi said, it works because there are some catalyzers inside. From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:30 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik Mattia Rizzi wrote: It isn't. (I'm italian). Meaning (I assume): "Ten thousand" isn't a way of saying "many, many!" Everything Rossi said is unbelievable. Check my question on Ny Teknik about the secret catalyzers patent. Is this your question? Guest: Dear Rossi, we know that there's a "secret" patent about the catalysts. What's the filing date of the catalyst patent? Rossi: It is secret. It is still in the phase pre-publication, so I have order from my Attorney not to give any info. It was filed around end 2009 (public disclosure is 18 month after filing). So it should be available soon? But the filing date of the publc available patent is April 2008. Do you wait one year and half to protect yours ONLY secret (Ni-H reactor are well know)? Unbeliveable too. What do you mean? I am confused. Is the filing date April 2008 or late 2009? Are we talking about two different patents? What do you mean by "wait one year and a half"? There may be some unique and patentable aspects of the reactor itself, not just the material. The reactor has all those wires going into it, attached to resistance heaters. I assume that is for control. I assume it can be patented. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
Hi Mattia > > the secret catalyzers patent. It was filed around end 2009 (public disclosure is 18 month after filing). But the filing date of the publc available patent is April 2008. Do you wait one year and half to protect yours ONLY secret (Ni-H reactor are well know)? I suggested some time ago that the "real" patent application of Rossi, the only he values at all, will probably be published soon but is not related to the BS which is out there now, and moreover, that the present one is some kind of joke (according to patent attorneys who have had a look) and is clearly a deliberate "smokescreen" (planned diversion) ... but I was unaware that anyone had tracked "the real one" down. That is good news! Can you be more specific on the details ? Thanks, Jones
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
Mattia Rizzi wrote: It isn't. (I'm italian). Meaning (I assume): "Ten thousand" isn't a way of saying "many, many!" Everything Rossi said is unbelievable. Check my question on Ny Teknik about the secret catalyzers patent. Is this your question? *Guest:*Dear Rossi, we know that there's a "secret" patent about the catalysts. What's the filing date of the catalyst patent? *Rossi:*It is secret. It is still in the phase pre-publication, so I have order from my Attorney not to give any info. It was filed around end 2009 (public disclosure is 18 month after filing). So it should be available soon? But the filing date of the publc available patent is April 2008. Do you wait one year and half to protect yours ONLY secret (Ni-H reactor are well know)? Unbeliveable too. What do you mean? I am confused. Is the filing date April 2008 or late 2009? Are we talking about two different patents? What do you mean by "wait one year and a half"? There may be some unique and patentable aspects of the reactor itself, not just the material. The reactor has all those wires going into it, attached to resistance heaters. I assume that is for control. I assume it can be patented. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
It isn't. (I'm italian). I find it downright unbelievable. Everything Rossi said is unbelievable. Check my question on Ny Teknik about the secret catalyzers patent. It was filed around end 2009 (public disclosure is 18 month after filing). But the filing date of the publc available patent is April 2008. Do you wait one year and half to protect yours ONLY secret (Ni-H reactor are well know)? Unbeliveable too. -- From: "Jed Rothwell" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:57 PM To: Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik Terry Blanton wrote: I found it remarkable that he claims to have tried 10,000 permutations of ingredients. I find it downright unbelievable. Last time he said it was a thousand. Ask him again and it will be 100,000. My guess is that this is an Italian way of way of saying "many" or "a whole mess 'o tests" or "more permutations than you can shake a stick at." - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > >> I found it remarkable that he claims to have tried 10,000 permutations >> of ingredients. > > I find it downright unbelievable. Last time he said it was a thousand. I thought he meant that he had tried 1000 mechanical configurations and this time he meant he had tried 10,000 ingredient permutations. But, I think you are right and can't begin to quantify either. T
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
Terry Blanton wrote: I found it remarkable that he claims to have tried 10,000 permutations of ingredients. I find it downright unbelievable. Last time he said it was a thousand. Ask him again and it will be 100,000. My guess is that this is an Italian way of way of saying "many" or "a whole mess 'o tests" or "more permutations than you can shake a stick at." - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:35 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Just how > many ways are there to skin this cat! I'm surprised coming from a cat lover like you! Oh, you meant ECat. ;-) Did you see that Rossi discounts neutron capture touted by W-L? I found it remarkable that he claims to have tried 10,000 permutations of ingredients. T
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
>From Alan, > http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3126617.ece > > And here are 36 more questions – with Rossi's answers Thanks, Alan, Last Q&A caught my eye: Q: Karl-Henrik Malmqvist: In the reactor there might be a flow of electrons. Is it possible to directly take care of that flow for electrical generation, or is the number of moving electrons too small? A: Rossi: It is too small; it is not worth to take care of it. * * * * I wonder if Dr. Mills begs to differ with that conclusion. Just how many ways are there to skin this cat! Guess we shall see... ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3126617.ece And here are 36 more questions with Rossi's answers
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
Harry Veeder wrote: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiECatPortal.shtml > > This is quite a collection of links! You have to hand it to Steve, he is on the ball. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiECatPortal.shtml - Original Message > From: Jed Rothwell > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 5:41:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik > > Harry Veeder wrote: > > > link from Kirvit's Rossi portal. > > Where exactly is the portal? What is the URL? http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiECatPortal.shtml harry
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
Harry Veeder wrote: link from Kirvit's Rossi portal. Where exactly is the portal? What is the URL? A new version of New Energy Times is out. The first in a while: http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/NET36.pdf It is a curious mixture of useful information, good reporting, and lunacy with regard to helium, McKubre, Melich and the W-L theory. I wonder if Larsen is paying Krivit to promote his theories? That would explain some of the nuttiness. - Jed
[Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
NY TEKNIK http://tinyurl.com/4nyxly2 [google translation] Wanted: What do you know about cold fusion? Friday, March 11 at 10:00 chats Italian engineer Andrea Rossi with new technology readers. Men redan nu kan du fråga uppfinnaren vad du vill om hans ”energikatalysator” som möjligen bygger på kall fusion. But now you can ask the inventor what you want about his "energy catalyst" possibly based on cold fusion. link from Kirvit's Rossi portal. harry
