[Vo]:STEORN: When do measurement errors cease to be measurement errors
Regarding recent STEORN forum PMM discussions: http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=60132page=1 http://tinyurl.com/29n2xf The recent spate of alleged independent PMM replications by garage inventors got me to wondering why we haven't heard didley squat from any of the independent laboratories who signed on to test STEORN's claims. I would have thought that by now that we would have at least heard something from one of these labs. But we haven't, and perhaps that's a good thing. The following is complete unsupported speculation on my part, but I have found myself thinking that it might be possible that most of the independent labs have by now recorded a phenomenon that seems to suggest OverUnity. However, being the conservative laboratory testers that they are (Remember, their professional reputations are at stake here), the predominant thoughts that have most likely passed through their justifiably skeptical minds is that their measurements can't be correct. Better test the contraption again, and again. ...Try to figure out where they messed up. Will they succeed in uncovering the mistake? I bet they are ALL hoping they can. In the meantime, would YOU want to be the first to announce shocking findings of this caliber to the world? If you know other independent laboratories are also working on the same project, where all it would take is just ONE of them announcing to the world the teeny-tiny mistake in measurement that every other independent laboratory was too dumb to notice, well, it's probably perceived under the circumstances to see who else is brave enough to stick their neck out first. No, please! YOU FIRST! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:STEORN: When do measurement errors cease to be measurement errors
Pardon my mangling of your name, Jed. I still remember the flack I got here when I accidentally misspelled Puthoff's name as Putoff. Everyone, and I mean *everyone* thought I was being intentionally derisive towards Puthoff. Dyslexia strikes again. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:STEORN: When do measurement errors cease to be measurement errors
Jet sez: ... It is puzzling that they have not come out with negative reports yet. As Martin Fleischmann remarked, the easiest thing in the world is to convince yourself you are wrong. Any scientist worth his salt can come up with a non-existent error to dismiss a result. See, for example, Reviewer #7's handwaving here: http://lenr-canr.org/Collections/DoeReview.htm#StormsRothwellCritique - Jed IMO, being open minded does not necessarily translate into possessing sufficient confidence in one's findings, especially if the evidence suggests centuries of how magnetism was thought to work is in danger of being flipped upside down. Better let someone else stick their neck out first. I believe this was the complaint STEORN brought up when they had their findings initially tested in an independent laboratory. The lab declined to publish their findings. At least that's what STEORN claims happened - which subsequently precipitated their audacious announcement in The Guardian in an attempt to force the issue to the fore front. The fact that, as you say, none of these independent labs have yet to come out with a negative report causes me to speculate that they may be repeating the experiment over and over in an attempt to discover where they screwed up! Don't come back until you get it right!!! Alas, speculation of this sort is a dangerous sport. Guilty as charged. Screwing up royally last Summer at Kinetica Museum destroyed a considerable amount confidence and good will in STEORN's claims. I have to ask myself: Right at this moment... The Evidence as presented so far in the public domain - what are the odds... Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:STEORN: When do measurement errors cease to be measurement errors
OrionWorks wrote: . . . it might be possible that most of the independent labs have by now recorded a phenomenon that seems to suggest OverUnity. However, being the conservative laboratory testers that they are (Remember, their professional reputations are at stake here), the predominant thoughts that have most likely passed through their justifiably skeptical minds is that their measurements can't be correct. That's plausible, but on the other hand they would not have taken the assignment in the first place if they were not somewhat open minded. A pathological skeptic will refuse to look. He will not even read a paper. It is puzzling that they have not come out with negative reports yet. As Martin Fleischmann remarked, the easiest thing in the world is to convince yourself you are wrong. Any scientist worth his salt can come up with a non-existent error to dismiss a result. See, for example, Reviewer #7's handwaving here: http://lenr-canr.org/Collections/DoeReview.htm#StormsRothwellCritique - Jed
Re: [Vo]:STEORN: When do measurement errors cease to be measurement errors
Could be worse. You could also be an agnostic isomniac and stay up all night wordering if there really is a Dog. Terry On Jan 17, 2008 2:17 PM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pardon my mangling of your name, Jed. I still remember the flack I got here when I accidentally misspelled Puthoff's name as Putoff. Everyone, and I mean *everyone* thought I was being intentionally derisive towards Puthoff. Dyslexia strikes again. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:STEORN: When do measurement errors cease to be measurement errors
Could be worse. You could also be an agnostic isomniac and stay up all night wordering if there really is a Dog. Terry It's probably advisable that you don't express such concerns to the cat of the house. We're in enuf trubel already. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
