Re: [Vo]:So close but so far away ... or was it?
just a side question. what are the exact link between SPAWAR researches and GEC and their GeNiE hybrid Fission/LENR incineration reactor. It seems some retired Spawar researchers are member. the link with some US invaded islands (Guamaround) is not clear... note that I don't see clearly the link between fission and LENR. if confirmed it is a safety problem. 2014-02-08 5:45 GMT+01:00 Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com: Jones-- Bob Cook here-- I doubt there was no connection. I would guess the work at SPAWAR became a black project. LENR clearly has potential for ship propulsion and other high energy density fuel needs in the Navy. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:24 PM Subject: [Vo]:So close but so far away ... or was it? http://www.google/patents/US4489049 In 1982 - several years before PF made the big splash, scientists working under US Navy contracts filed for what became US 4489049 for Solid state hydrogen pumping and storage material. Abstract: A solid-state hydrogen storage system. A layer of an amorphous binary metal alloy of a lanthanide and iron, nickel or cobalt is disposed on a suitable substrate and overcoated with palladium metal. Geeze, it would be a bit of a surprise, thirty+ years thereafter to learn that the nickel version of this hydrogen pump did not produce some small amount of anomalous heat. Of course, there would have been no reason to look for excess heat, at that time, but who knows how careful they were in the details? Funny that years later, on the cancellation of SPAWAR some doubts linger as to ultimate motivations and to what could be going on behind the scenes. Yet, on or about early November 2011, one Rear Admiral Patrick Brady, commander of SPAWAR, ordered researchers to terminate all LENR research. He may or may not have initiated the order, but one is left to wonders where Brady, or his superior, was located in 1982 and was he involved in continuing RD on the hydrogen storage system ? Anyway, his order came about a week after News broke about Rossi's October, 2011, demonstration of the E-Cat. Probably no connection just a coincidence... nothing to see here, please move on. Let's turn this over to the conspiracy theorists now so that it will be certain to be discredited as with the rest of LENR... Jones
[Vo]:So close but so far away ... or was it?
http://www.google/patents/US4489049 In 1982 - several years before PF made the big splash, scientists working under US Navy contracts filed for what became US 4489049 for Solid state hydrogen pumping and storage material. Abstract: A solid-state hydrogen storage system. A layer of an amorphous binary metal alloy of a lanthanide and iron, nickel or cobalt is disposed on a suitable substrate and overcoated with palladium metal. Geeze, it would be a bit of a surprise, thirty+ years thereafter to learn that the nickel version of this hydrogen pump did not produce some small amount of anomalous heat. Of course, there would have been no reason to look for excess heat, at that time, but who knows how careful they were in the details? Funny that years later, on the cancellation of SPAWAR some doubts linger as to ultimate motivations and to what could be going on behind the scenes. Yet, on or about early November 2011, one Rear Admiral Patrick Brady, commander of SPAWAR, ordered researchers to terminate all LENR research. He may or may not have initiated the order, but one is left to wonders where Brady, or his superior, was located in 1982 and was he involved in continuing RD on the hydrogen storage system ? Anyway, his order came about a week after News broke about Rossi's October, 2011, demonstration of the E-Cat. Probably no connection just a coincidence... nothing to see here, please move on. Let's turn this over to the conspiracy theorists now so that it will be certain to be discredited as with the rest of LENR... Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:So close but so far away ... or was it?
Some years ago I was on a Church walk and got chatting with an elderly gentleman from the Church and I found that he had been a metallergist, so we got to talking about LENR. It turned out that in the 50's he had been working on a project that involved hydrogen and palladium and noticed a number of anomolous effects. For various reasons which he explained, and which I can no longer remember they decided not to pursue this. He said that he was not suprised at the Pons and Fleischmann developments many years later, but was unaware of the continuing work. As you say, so close, but so far away... Nigel On 07/02/2014 21:24, Jones Beene wrote: http://www.google/patents/US4489049 In 1982 - several years before PF made the big splash, scientists working under US Navy contracts filed for what became US 4489049 for Solid state hydrogen pumping and storage material. Abstract: A solid-state hydrogen storage system. A layer of an amorphous binary metal alloy of a lanthanide and iron, nickel or cobalt is disposed on a suitable substrate and overcoated with palladium metal. Geeze, it would be a bit of a surprise, thirty+ years thereafter to learn that the nickel version of this hydrogen pump did not produce some small amount of anomalous heat. Of course, there would have been no reason to look for excess heat, at that time, but who knows how careful they were in the details? Funny that years later, on the cancellation of SPAWAR some doubts linger as to ultimate motivations and to what could be going on behind the scenes. Yet, on or about early November 2011, one Rear Admiral Patrick Brady, commander of SPAWAR, ordered researchers to terminate all LENR research. He may or may not have initiated the order, but one is left to wonders where Brady, or his superior, was located in 1982 and was he involved in continuing RD on the hydrogen storage system ? Anyway, his order came about a week after News broke about Rossi's October, 2011, demonstration of the E-Cat. Probably no connection just a coincidence... nothing to see here, please move on. Let's turn this over to the conspiracy theorists now so that it will be certain to be discredited as with the rest of LENR... Jones
Re: [Vo]:So close but so far away ... or was it?
Jones-- Bob Cook here-- I doubt there was no connection. I would guess the work at SPAWAR became a black project. LENR clearly has potential for ship propulsion and other high energy density fuel needs in the Navy. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:24 PM Subject: [Vo]:So close but so far away ... or was it? http://www.google/patents/US4489049 In 1982 - several years before PF made the big splash, scientists working under US Navy contracts filed for what became US 4489049 for Solid state hydrogen pumping and storage material. Abstract: A solid-state hydrogen storage system. A layer of an amorphous binary metal alloy of a lanthanide and iron, nickel or cobalt is disposed on a suitable substrate and overcoated with palladium metal. Geeze, it would be a bit of a surprise, thirty+ years thereafter to learn that the nickel version of this hydrogen pump did not produce some small amount of anomalous heat. Of course, there would have been no reason to look for excess heat, at that time, but who knows how careful they were in the details? Funny that years later, on the cancellation of SPAWAR some doubts linger as to ultimate motivations and to what could be going on behind the scenes. Yet, on or about early November 2011, one Rear Admiral Patrick Brady, commander of SPAWAR, ordered researchers to terminate all LENR research. He may or may not have initiated the order, but one is left to wonders where Brady, or his superior, was located in 1982 and was he involved in continuing RD on the hydrogen storage system ? Anyway, his order came about a week after News broke about Rossi's October, 2011, demonstration of the E-Cat. Probably no connection just a coincidence... nothing to see here, please move on. Let's turn this over to the conspiracy theorists now so that it will be certain to be discredited as with the rest of LENR... Jones
RE: [Vo]:So close but so far away ... or was it?
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones-- Bob Cook here-- I doubt there was no connection. I would guess the work at SPAWAR became a black project. LENR clearly has potential for ship propulsion and other high energy density fuel needs in the Navy. Bob, Yes - that is my feeling as well (no proof whatsoever, other than coincidence) and deconstruction based on depth or interest (no pun intended). In fact the seeds of a putative black project could go back to before PF. That was why I brought up that particular patent, but it could have been based on something else which was found in Naval RD as a consequence of say- torpedoes powered by hydrogen. - Original Message - From: Jones Beene http://www.google/patents/US4489049 In 1982 - several years before PF made the big splash, scientists working under US Navy contracts filed for what became US 4489049 for Solid state hydrogen pumping and storage material. Abstract: A solid-state hydrogen storage system. A layer of an amorphous binary metal alloy of a lanthanide and iron, nickel or cobalt is disposed on a suitable substrate and overcoated with palladium metal. Geeze, it would be a bit of a surprise, thirty+ years thereafter to learn that the nickel version of this hydrogen pump did not produce some small amount of anomalous heat. Of course, there would have been no reason to look for excess heat, at that time, but who knows how careful they were in the details? Funny that years later, on the cancellation of SPAWAR some doubts linger as to ultimate motivations and to what could be going on behind the scenes. Yet, on or about early November 2011, one Rear Admiral Patrick Brady, commander of SPAWAR, ordered researchers to terminate all LENR research. He may or may not have initiated the order, but one is left to wonders where Brady, or his superior, was located in 1982 and was he involved in continuing RD on the hydrogen storage system ? Anyway, his order came about a week after News broke about Rossi's October, 2011, demonstration of the E-Cat. Probably no connection just a coincidence... nothing to see here, please move on. Let's turn this over to the conspiracy theorists now so that it will be certain to be discredited as with the rest of LENR... Jones
