Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR
It looks to me me like our Navy guy is doing The Right Thing: getting a ground floor patent that covers /everything/ that hasn't been done yet in LENR. Necessarily he ties it to a theory; the one he's got, or that he thinks has the best chance. I wouldn't be surprised if he repeats the whole thing, but with a different theory, to cover more eventualities. Ol' Bab, who was an engineer... On 6/24/2012 5:28 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:57:24 -0400 (EDT): Hi, In private email with someone not from this list, someone suggested to me that the WL theory was the beast candidate so far for an explanation of CF. I would suggest rather that it is the theory most easily accepted by the mainstream because it requires that they make the least adjustment to their current way of thinking. God forbid that they should have been totally wrong their entire lives. The dent to their egos would be just too much to bear. ;) [snip] This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power production [snip] Dave
Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR
This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power production. Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture? Have actual gamma rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is necessary if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated? I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is based upon much speculation. Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate at the nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me. Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that progress will rapidly begin? If they do put forth far more effort than before I hope that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is proven incorrect. It would be in the best interest of everyone for them and other researchers to continue on as many possible fronts as arise since no one really can be sure that this particular mechanism is the best and only one operating. The recent paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of another possible mechanism that needs to be fleshed out. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty plasmas with the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated low energy neutrons.
Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR
It would appear the government has a double standard regarding cold fusion patents. On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power production. Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture? Have actual gamma rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is necessary if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated? I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is based upon much speculation. Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate at the nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me. Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that progress will rapidly begin? If they do put forth far more effort than before I hope that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is proven incorrect. It would be in the best interest of everyone for them and other researchers to continue on as many possible fronts as arise since no one really can be sure that this particular mechanism is the best and only one operating. The recent paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of another possible mechanism that needs to be fleshed out. Dave http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty plasmas with the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated low energy neutrons.
RE: [Vo]:US government patents LENR
Dave typo'd: . and we can all go celibate at the nearest pub soon. celibate = abstaining from sex; I thought the whole purpose of going to the pub was not to celibate? J -m From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:57 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power production. Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture? Have actual gamma rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is necessary if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated? I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is based upon much speculation. Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate at the nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me. Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that progress will rapidly begin? If they do put forth far more effort than before I hope that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is proven incorrect. It would be in the best interest of everyone for them and other researchers to continue on as many possible fronts as arise since no one really can be sure that this particular mechanism is the best and only one operating. The recent paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of another possible mechanism that needs to be fleshed out. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty plasmas with the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated low energy neutrons.
Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:57:24 -0400 (EDT): Hi, In private email with someone not from this list, someone suggested to me that the WL theory was the beast candidate so far for an explanation of CF. I would suggest rather that it is the theory most easily accepted by the mainstream because it requires that they make the least adjustment to their current way of thinking. God forbid that they should have been totally wrong their entire lives. The dent to their egos would be just too much to bear. ;) [snip] This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power production. Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture? Have actual gamma rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is necessary if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated? I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is based upon much speculation. Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate at the nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me. Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that progress will rapidly begin? If they do put forth far more effort than before I hope that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is proven incorrect. It would be in the best interest of everyone for them and other researchers to continue on as many possible fronts as arise since no one really can be sure that this particular mechanism is the best and only one operating. The recent paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of another possible mechanism that needs to be fleshed out. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty plasmas with the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated low energy neutrons. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR
Oh my, guess I used a bad word! I hope that you guys will forgive me for such a terrible suggestion. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:49 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:US government patents LENR Dave typo’d: “… and we can all go celibate at the nearest pub soon…” celibate = abstaining from sex; I thought the whole purpose of going to the pub was not to celibate? J -m From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:57 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power production. Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture? Have actual gamma rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is necessary if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated? I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is based upon much speculation. Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate at the nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me. Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that progress will rapidly begin? If they do put forth far more effort than before I hope that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is proven incorrect. It would be in the best interest of everyone for them and other researchers to continue on as many possible fronts as arise since no one really can be sure that this particular mechanism is the best and only one operating. The recent paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of another possible mechanism that needs to be fleshed out. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty plasmas with the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated low energy neutrons.
