Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
Michael Foster wrote: I suppose I'll have to go back and read your original posts on this subject, but if your idea depends on stimulated Brillouin scattering, there would be a problem of reaching a threshold, as SBS doesn't happen at low power densities. A high power argon- mercury arc with a quartz envelope might do the trick. Most of those low power "fluorescent" lights have an ordinary glass tube, thus.suppressing all of the short UV. I used the word "fluorescent" loosely in referring to the 4 watt clear quartz UV lamps used for EPROM erasers. I suggested using a GE A-H6 1,000 watthigh pressure quartz Hg lamp that puts out 31 watts of UV below 280 nanometers. 840 volts at 1.4 amps into a volume about 0.3 centimeters diameter x 8 centimeters length. (about 0.6 cm^3 giving about 1.6 kilowatts/cm^3) If nothing else the film boiling of high purity H2O or D2O around the bulb surface should mimic acoustic- induced cavitation bubble collapse,especially if the bulb is in a cylindrical cavity. Have I missed your whole concept here? Nope, just a follow-up post. :-) Fred
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
Fred wrote: Michael Foster asks: Could some CF be going on in these crystals unnoticed? In other words, if you measure the optical energy of the laser wavelength going in, the unconverted laser energy, the energy of the doubled wavelength, and the waste heat given off do you arrive at over unity? To answer a question with a question, wouldn't it be simpler to do calorimetry on a small fluorescent UV lamp in a aluminum hole cavity immersed in D2O? IOW, why bother with single frequencies, when the uv lamp output runs from micron infrared to 180 nm uv? Well, yes, it would be simpler. I was just wondering if CF was going on in those deuterated frequency doubling crystals unobserved. I suppose I'll have to go back and read your original posts on this subject, but if your idea depends on stimulated Brillouin scattering, there would be a problem of reaching a threshhould, as SBS doesn't happen at low power densities. A high power argon- mercury arc with a quartz envelope might do the trick. Most of those low power fluorescent lights have an ordinary glass tube, thus suppressing all of the short UV. Have I missed your whole concept here? M. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
The 3.25 inch long GE A-H6 1000 watt water-cooled Quartz Lamps provide 31 watts of uv below 280 nanometers, 75 watts in the 280-320 nm range, 90 watts320-380 nm range, or 195 watts total uv below 380 nm. And 290 watts in the visible 380-760 nm range. The rest is infrared (I suppose). "Water-Cooled" with D2O flowing past could be interesting. $8.79 each at this surplus outlet. If they are Quartz. http://www.electronicsurplus.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp;jsessionid=56CB4EDCD3F70176BD09F535A5D96092?product_id=70387czuid=1134571800423 Fred
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
GE A-H6 Lamp Data: Operating Pressure 110 Atmospheres (~1625 PSIG). 3.25 inch long x 0.186 dia base, Horizonal operation, 75 hour lamp life (based on 25 minute burning periods). Requires 840 volts at 1.4 amps. (transformer secondary 1200 volts open circuit) 120 or 240 voltprimary. 4.0 second start time, 2.0 second restart time. With 190 watts worth of photons at 3.27 eV-4.88 eV it might rival the MAHG. :-) Fred - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 12/14/2005 5:36:05 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action The 3.25 inch long GE A-H6 1000 watt water-cooled Quartz Lamps provide 31 watts of uv below 280 nanometers, 75 watts in the 280-320 nm range, 90 watts320-380 nm range, or 195 watts total uv below 380 nm. And 290 watts in the visible 380-760 nm range. The rest is infrared (I suppose). "Water-Cooled" with D2O flowing past could be interesting. $8.79 each at this surplus outlet. If they are Quartz. http://www.electronicsurplus.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp;jsessionid=56CB4EDCD3F70176BD09F535A5D96092?product_id=70387czuid=1134571800423 Fred
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
Hi Fred, May I add a word of caution on these type lamps. There are not child's play. One should have experience and safety training before working with high pressure UV lamps. Richard - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action GE A-H6 Lamp Data: Operating Pressure 110 Atmospheres (~1625 PSIG). 3.25 inch long x 0.186 dia base, Horizonal operation, 75 hour lamp life (based on 25 minute burning periods). Requires 840 volts at 1.4 amps. (transformer secondary 1200 volts open circuit) 120 or 240 voltprimary. 4.0 second start time, 2.0 second restart time. With 190 watts worth of photons at 3.27 eV-4.88 eV it might rival the MAHG. :-) Fred - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 12/14/2005 5:36:05 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action The 3.25 inch long GE A-H6 1000 watt water-cooled Quartz Lamps provide 31 watts of uv below 280 nanometers, 75 watts in the 280-320 nm range, 90 watts320-380 nm range, or 195 watts total uv below 380 nm. And 290 watts in the visible 380-760 nm range. The rest is infrared (I suppose). "Water-Cooled" with D2O flowing past could be interesting. $8.79 each at this surplus outlet. If they are Quartz. http://www.electronicsurplus.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp;jsessionid=56CB4EDCD3F70176BD09F535A5D96092?product_id=70387czuid=1134571800423 Fred
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
BTW. A 4watt quartz envelope fluorescent will give off 20% of it's input power as uv photons below 280 nanometers as opposed to the 3% below 280 nanometer uv photons given off by the 1000 watt A-H6 sledgehammer. Fred - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 12/14/2005 6:23:46 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action GE A-H6 Lamp Data: Operating Pressure 110 Atmospheres (~1625 PSIG). 3.25 inch long x 0.186 dia base, Horizonal operation, 75 hour lamp life (based on 25 minute burning periods). Requires 840 volts at 1.4 amps. (transformer secondary 1200 volts open circuit) 120 or 240 voltprimary. 4.0 second start time, 2.0 second restart time. With 190 watts worth of photons at 3.27 eV-4.88 eV it might rival the MAHG. :-) Fred - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 12/14/2005 5:36:05 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action The 3.25 inch long GE A-H6 1000 watt water-cooled Quartz Lamps provide 31 watts of uv below 280 nanometers, 75 watts in the 280-320 nm range, 90 watts320-380 nm range, or 195 watts total uv below 380 nm. And 290 watts in the visible 380-760 nm range. The rest is infrared (I suppose). "Water-Cooled" with D2O flowing past could be interesting. $8.79 each at this surplus outlet. If they are Quartz. http://www.electronicsurplus.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp;jsessionid=56CB4EDCD3F70176BD09F535A5D96092?product_id=70387czuid=1134571800423 Fred
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
One way to get rid of those Bible Thumping Sex Maniacs on Vortex, Richard. :-) Fred - Original Message - From: RC Macaulay To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: 12/14/2005 7:02:30 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action Hi Fred, May I add a word of caution on these type lamps. There are not child's play. One should have experience and safety training before working with high pressure UV lamps. Richard - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action GE A-H6 Lamp Data: Operating Pressure 110 Atmospheres (~1625 PSIG). 3.25 inch long x 0.186 dia base, Horizonal operation, 75 hour lamp life (based on 25 minute burning periods). Requires 840 volts at 1.4 amps. (transformer secondary 1200 volts open circuit) 120 or 240 voltprimary. 4.0 second start time, 2.0 second restart time. With 190 watts worth of photons at 3.27 eV-4.88 eV it might rival the MAHG. :-) Fred - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 12/14/2005 5:36:05 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action The 3.25 inch long GE A-H6 1000 watt water-cooled Quartz Lamps provide 31 watts of uv below 280 nanometers, 75 watts in the 280-320 nm range, 90 watts320-380 nm range, or 195 watts total uv below 380 nm. And 290 watts in the visible 380-760 nm range. The rest is infrared (I suppose). "Water-Cooled" with D2O flowing past could be interesting. $8.79 each at this surplus outlet. If they are Quartz. http://www.electronicsurplus.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp;jsessionid=56CB4EDCD3F70176BD09F535A5D96092?product_id=70387czuid=1134571800423 Fred
RE: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
Title: Message Come on Fred, people that type that much don't have much time for stuff like research or experiments. 8^) I do applaud your perpetual never-say-die effort to try and keep the science in this 'science' discussion group though. I am glad the nonsense hasn't quite chased you off yet. -john -Original Message-From: Frederick Sparber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:25 AMTo: vortex-l@eskimo.comSubject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action One way to get rid of those Bible Thumping Sex Maniacs on Vortex, Richard. :-) Fred - Original Message - From: RC Macaulay To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: 12/14/2005 7:02:30 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action Hi Fred, May I add a word of caution on these type lamps. There are not child's play. One should have experience and safety training before working with high pressure UV lamps. Richard - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action GE A-H6 Lamp Data: Operating Pressure 110 Atmospheres (~1625 PSIG). 3.25 inch long x 0.186 dia base, Horizonal operation, 75 hour lamp life (based on 25 minute burning periods). Requires 840 volts at 1.4 amps. (transformer secondary 1200 volts open circuit) 120 or 240 voltprimary. 4.0 second start time, 2.0 second restart time. With 190 watts worth of photons at 3.27 eV-4.88 eV it might rival the MAHG. :-) Fred - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 12/14/2005 5:36:05 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action The 3.25 inch long GE A-H6 1000 watt water-cooled Quartz Lamps provide 31 watts of uv below 280 nanometers, 75 watts in the 280-320 nm range, 90 watts320-380 nm range, or 195 watts total uv below 380 nm. And 290 watts in the visible 380-760 nm range. The rest is infrared (I suppose). "Water-Cooled" with D2O flowing past could be interesting. $8.79 each at this surplus outlet. If they are Quartz. http://www.electronicsurplus.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp;jsessionid=56CB4EDCD3F70176BD09F535A5D96092?product_id=70387czuid=1134571800423 Fred
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
Title: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action ...and replace them with Bible Humping Sex Maniacs. ;-) Harry Frederick Sparber wrote: One way to get rid of those Bible Thumping Sex Maniacs on Vortex, Richard. :-) Fred - Original Message - From: RC Macaulay mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: 12/14/2005 7:02:30 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action Hi Fred, May I add a word of caution on these type lamps. There are not child's play. One should have experience and safety training before working with high pressure UV lamps. Richard - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action GE A-H6 Lamp Data: Operating Pressure 110 Atmospheres (~1625 PSIG). 3.25 inch long x 0.186 dia base, Horizonal operation, 75 hour lamp life (based on 25 minute burning periods). Requires 840 volts at 1.4 amps. (transformer secondary 1200 volts open circuit) 120 or 240 volt primary. 4.0 second start time, 2.0 second restart time. With 190 watts worth of photons at 3.27 eV-4.88 eV it might rival the MAHG. :-) Fred - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: 12/14/2005 5:36:05 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action The 3.25 inch long GE A-H6 1000 watt water-cooled Quartz Lamps provide 31 watts of uv below 280 nanometers, 75 watts in the 280-320 nm range, 90 watts 320-380 nm range, or 195 watts total uv below 380 nm. And 290 watts in the visible 380-760 nm range. The rest is infrared (I suppose). Water-Cooled with D2O flowing past could be interesting. $8.79 each at this surplus outlet. If they are Quartz. http://www.electronicsurplus.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp;jsessionid=56CB4EDCD3F70176BD09F535A5D96092?product_id=70387czuid=1134571800423 http://www.electronicsurplus.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp;jsessionid=56CB4EDCD3F70176BD09F535A5D96092?product_id=70387amp;czuid=1134571800423 Fred
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
At 10:47 pm 12/12/2005 -0500, Michael wrote: snip Could some CF be going on in these crystals unnoticed? Quite possibly, in view of the 12th power law for the 3D Casimir Effect. See the three recent Casimir posts at, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Beta-atmosphere_group/ Just a mindless speculation. Not mindless at all, Michael. 8-) It would be mindless to ignore such an intriguing possibility. Frank Grimer
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
Michael Foster asks: Could some CF be going on in these crystals unnoticed? In other words, if you measure the optical energy of the laser wavelength going in, the unconverted laser energy, the energy of the doubled wavelength, and the waste heat given off do you arrive at over unity? To answer a question with a question, wouldn't it besimpler to do calorimetry on a small fluorescent UV lamp in a aluminum hole "cavity" immersed in D2O? IOW, why bother with single frequencies, when the uv lamp output runs from micron infrared to 180 nm uv? These folks got tripling of 532 nm Nd:YAG photons in light water. http://www.nat.vu.nl/atom/thesis-iavor.pdf Fred
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
Photon and Phonon frequencies in the ZettaHz (10^21 Hz) and YottaHz (10^24 Hz) and wavelengths down to Attometers (10^-18 meters) when looking at the frequency/wavelength of gamma rays, quarks, and electrons. Einstein (and others) throw in the atomic vibration frequency and energy in determining the specific heat of matter. Diamond at 331 K has an "Einstein Temperature" of 1300 K (which corresponds to an infrared w3avelength of 11 microns)etc. The Brillouin Effect allows Phonons (Sound EnergyQuanta) to Beat/Heterdyne against Photons (Light Energy Quanta) with the result that intermediate frequencies equal to the sum or difference can be generated, and conversely, Photons can beat against Phonons with the same Beat/Heterdyne effect (as originally proven by Garmire Townes in 1964). Does this imply a Hot Phonon Gas in H2O or D2O that doesn't necessarily show up as a higher temperature? Fred
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
Next question, Jones. Do you think that the 254 nanometer (4.88 eV)UV from a 4 watt fluorescent bulb(quartz) surrounded by D2O in a hole drilled in an Aluminum block can vibrate Deuterons (4.51 eV D-OD bond scission energy) enough to shake off Neutrons? Fred - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 12/12/2005 5:04:09 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action Photon and Phonon frequencies in the ZettaHz (10^21 Hz) and YottaHz (10^24 Hz) and wavelengths down to Attometers (10^-18 meters) when looking at the frequency/wavelength of gamma rays, quarks, and electrons. Einstein (and others) throw in the atomic vibration frequency and energy in determining the specific heat of matter. Diamond at 331 K has an "Einstein Temperature" of 1300 K (which corresponds to an infrared w3avelength of 11 microns)etc. The Brillouin Effect allows Phonons (Sound EnergyQuanta) to Beat/Heterdyne against Photons (Light Energy Quanta) with the result that intermediate frequencies equal to the sum or difference can be generated, and conversely, Photons can beat against Phonons with the same Beat/Heterdyne effect (as originally proven by Garmire Townes in 1964). Does this imply a Hot Phonon Gas in H2O or D2O that doesn't necessarily show up as a higher temperature? Fred
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
Known-Measured Effects related to the Brillouin Effect: Lamb Shift. Raman Effect (Stokes andAntiStokes lines).. Compton Effect. This (Stimulated Brillouin Scattering) research covers a lot: http://www.nat.vu.nl/atom/thesis-iavor.pdf Fred - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 12/12/2005 6:10:14 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action Next question, Jones. Do you think that the 254 nanometer (4.88 eV)UV from a 4 watt fluorescent bulb(quartz) surrounded by D2O in a hole drilled in an Aluminum block can vibrate Deuterons (4.51 eV D-OD bond scission energy) enough to shake off Neutrons? Fred - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 12/12/2005 5:04:09 AM Subject: Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action Photon and Phonon frequencies in the ZettaHz (10^21 Hz) and YottaHz (10^24 Hz) and wavelengths down to Attometers (10^-18 meters) when looking at the frequency/wavelength of gamma rays, quarks, and electrons. Einstein (and others) throw in the atomic vibration frequency and energy in determining the specific heat of matter. Diamond at 331 K has an "Einstein Temperature" of 1300 K (which corresponds to an infrared w3avelength of 11 microns)etc. The Brillouin Effect allows Phonons (Sound EnergyQuanta) to Beat/Heterdyne against Photons (Light Energy Quanta) with the result that intermediate frequencies equal to the sum or difference can be generated, and conversely, Photons can beat against Phonons with the same Beat/Heterdyne effect (as originally proven by Garmire Townes in 1964). Does this imply a Hot Phonon Gas in H2O or D2O that doesn't necessarily show up as a higher temperature? Fred
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
--- Frederick Sparber wrote: Do you think that the 254 nanometer (4.88 eV) UV from a 4 watt fluorescent bulb (quartz) surrounded by D2O in a hole drilled in an Aluminum block can vibrate Deuterons (4.51 eV D-OD bond scission energy) enough to shake off Neutrons? Mizuno found some neutrons just by using cryogenics on D2 in a strong, time-varying magnetic filed. I think he was matching up phonon and photon vibrations in the low terahertz and getting a partial-BEC, whatever that is. To pull off this coherency trick at a higher temp would be trickier. Jones
Re: Einstein Frequency/Temperature Photon-Phonon Heterodyne Action
Fred wrote: Known-Measured Effects related to the Brillouin Effect: Lamb Shift. Raman Effect (Stokes and AntiStokes lines).. Compton Effect. This (Stimulated Brillouin Scattering) research covers a lot: http://www.nat.vu.nl/atom/thesis-iavor.pdf This discussion brings up a question that I don't know if anyone has bothered to ask, much less answer. One useful effect of stimulated Brillioun scattering is the frequency doubling of laser wavelengths. This is such a coherent effect I don't know if you could call it scattering, but it's called SBS anyway. The now familiar green laser pointer works this way. A diode pumped 1064nm laser is focused through a potassium dihydrogen phosphate crystal and the resulting optically induced electrostriction causes the non-linear SBS effect and you get that 532nm green color. Deuterated versions of these non-linear crystals are usually used instead of the compounds with ordinary hydrogen. I've never really thought about why this is done, although apparently the deuterated crystals are known to be more efficient. Could some CF be going on in these crystals unnoticed? In other words, if you measure the optical energy of the laser wavelength going in, the unconverted laser energy, the energy of the doubled wavelength, and the waste heat given off do you arrive at over unity? Just a mindless speculation. M. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
