Re: FW: [Vo]:ET - fly home?
Aside from all the speculation, ideas, notions, concepts and/or so-called technology being proposed, considered, persued, etc etc, I am convinced there is indeed ONE true system that will enable the vastness of interstellar space to be traveled, and/or ETI's AC's to exist among the stars in a whole complete 'other'capacity. THE system operates on a fairly simple principle, that will generate the very dynamic force that will enable a highly specified vehicle/craft to perform not only extrordinary maneuvers, but an altogether inconceivable speed as well. > While it is this thing we tend to strive for, due to the simplicity and/or complexity, it therefore will tend to be regarded as unlikely or impossible. A athematical formulae can be used to determine the amount of force generated, and depending on variables in the dimensions, the amount will be significant. > Basically, an imbalance of 1-lb would be applied to an SRC (spinning rotor center), which would spin at a very fast rate of at least 60,000 rpm's (1,000 Rps). This SRC would then be configured to spin very closely within a SHOE (stationary housing of electromagnetics (in-sections). > The attraction-properties are induced by the SHOE into the SRC, thus compensating the imbalance, as the SRC spins. > In doing-so will result in several tons of Centrifugal-force being generated. This is feasible or achievable because electromagnetic-properties have the potential to attract/pull at least a thousand X's their own weight (and altho that may be based-on direct-contact, a large percentage should be obtainable). <<<>>> Description of the SRC/System <> In an hour-glass configuration (sideview only) configured within a dimension of (approx) the size of a larger-sized wheel/tire of an SUV. <> One part of the hour-glass would consist of a weight of 14-lbs w/ magnetic induced properties, and be referred to as the LW (live weight). <> The other part opposite the LW, would be the DW (dead weight), consisting of a weight of 15-lbs w/ 'no' properties. The SHOE would consist of 12-ea equal-portion sections, with any 2-ea side-by-side being equal in-size to the LW part of the SRC. > To achieve propulsion, a significant amount of the TVW (total vehicle weight) would have to be generated, in-terms of the amount of C-force produced. > If powerfully efficient materials are utilized, and/or new ones R&D'd, this should be achievable. > Simply by regulating energy via an RTOS (rapid timing order sequence) to any of the 2 (side-by-side) sections of the total 12- ea (so as to turn off & on rapidly) movement or propulsion will result. < Example > A System would be situated to operate/spin in a vertical position, and an RTOS regulated to the bottom 2-ea sections of the SHOE, resulting in movement or propulsion in the opposite or 'up' direction. > A powerful energy-source of course would be required (nuclear?) for the systems and vehicle they're used-in to operate in a powerfully efficient manner. Motorization could be directly-applied within each of the systems in-order for them to function efficiently, or peak performance. > An appartus of some such would serve as platform for a working 1/4 scale prototype, to observe and/or establish data in the behavior, inputs, & outputs. > In a operational full-scale vehicle, 4-ea systems would be required, and/or evenly distributed, to carry a percentage of the TVW (total vehicle weight). 1-ea main larger system would be equal in-power to the 3-ea smaller systems. > All systems would operate in a parallel position, with the 1-ea larger in the center of the vehicle/craft, to carry the main load. > The 3-ea smaller would be located toward the outside at key-points of the main load or weight, which are used in the maneuvering. All of the systems are instrumental in propulsion & maneuvers, but performance will ultimately depend on the use and/or development of 'Powerfully Efficient Materi
Re: FW: [Vo]:ET - fly home?
Aside from all the speculation, ideas, notions, concepts and/or so-called technology being proposed, considered, persued, etc etc, I am convinced there is indeed ONE true system that will enable the vastness of interstellar space to be traveled, and/or ETI's AC's to exist among the stars in a whole complete 'other'capacity. THE system operates on a fairly simple principle, that will generate the very dynamic force that will enable a highly specified vehicle/craft to perform not only extrordinary maneuvers, but an altogether inconceivable speed as well. > While it is this thing we tend to strive for, due to the simplicity and/or complexity, it therefore will tend to be regarded as unlikely or impossible. A athematical formulae can be used to determine the amount of force generated, and depending on variables in the dimensions, the amount will be significant. > Basically, an imbalance of 1-lb would be applied to an SRC (spinning rotor center), which would spin at a very fast rate of at least 60,000 rpm's (1,000 Rps). This SRC would then be configured to spin very closely within a SHOE (stationary housing of electromagnetics (in-sections). > The attraction-properties are induced by the SHOE into the SRC, thus compensating the imbalance, as the SRC spins. > In doing-so will result in several tons of Centrifugal-force being generated. This is feasible or achievable because electromagnetic-properties have the potential to attract/pull at least a thousand X's their own weight (and altho that may be based-on direct-contact, a large percentage should be obtainable). <<<>>> Description of the SRC/System <> In an hour-glass configuration (sideview only) configured within a dimension of (approx) the size of a larger-sized wheel/tire of an SUV. <> One part of the hour-glass would consist of a weight of 14-lbs w/ magnetic induced properties, and be referred to as the LW (live weight). <> The other part opposite the LW, would be the DW (dead weight), consisting of a weight of 15-lbs w/ 'no' properties. The SHOE would consist of 12-ea equal-portion sections, with any 2-ea side-by-side being equal in-size to the LW part of the SRC. > To achieve propulsion, a significant amount of the TVW (total vehicle weight) would have to be generated, in-terms of the amount of C-force produced. > If powerfully efficient materials are utilized, and/or new ones R&D'd, this should be achievable. > Simply by regulating energy via an RTOS (rapid timing order sequence) to any of the 2 (side-by-side) sections of the total 12- ea (so as to turn off & on rapidly) movement or propulsion will result. < Example > A System would be situated to operate/spin in a vertical position, and an RTOS regulated to the bottom 2-ea sections of the SHOE, resulting in movement or propulsion in the opposite or 'up' direction. > A powerful energy-source of course would be required (nuclear?) for the systems and vehicle they're used-in to operate in a powerfully efficient manner. Motorization could be directly-applied within each of the systems in-order for them to function efficiently, or peak performance. > An appartus of some such would serve as platform for a working 1/4 scale prototype, to observe and/or establish data in the behavior, inputs, & outputs. > In a operational full-scale vehicle, 4-ea systems would be required, and/or evenly distributed, to carry a percentage of the TVW (total vehicle weight). 1-ea main larger system would be equal in-power to the 3-ea smaller systems. > All systems would operate in a parallel position, with the 1-ea larger in the center of the vehicle/craft, to carry the main load. > The 3-ea smaller would be located toward the outside at key-points of the main load or weight, which are used in the maneuvering. All of the systems are instrumental in propulsion & maneuvers, but performance will ultimately depend on the use and/or development of 'Powerfully Efficient Materi
Re: FW: [Vo]:ET - fly home?
In reply to Mark Goldes's message of Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:32:52 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Einsteins mechanics allows a Pion space drive to achieve speeds that will >approach the speed of light. In contrast, Carrollian, non-relativistic, >physics posits a superluminal Pion powered space drive may approach a speed of >20,000,000 times that of light. [snip] ...at that speed Alpha Centauri would only be 6 seconds away. We could go there in less time than it takes to walk into the next room. ;) (of course this doesn't take acceleration and deceleration into account). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
FW: [Vo]:ET - fly home?
Jones, Robotic spacecraft capable of visiting Goldilocks planets, as hard as it may be to believe, may prove possible. Star Scientific Ltd. Claims to be perfecting a technique to economically and constantly produce huge quantities of pions. Their website states: “Muons are the decayed products of pions, and are the catalysts in the fusion of two hydrogen isotopes, a process which releases copious amounts of energy. The beauty of the muon is that it acts very much like an electron whose job it is to bond atoms together into molecules. Since a muon is 207 times heavier than an electron, it bumps the electron out of the way and replaces it. Because the orbit of the heavier muon is much closer, it causes the atoms in the molecule to draw closer until the natural repelling force is overcome and a strong nuclear force brings the atoms together – causing them to fuse. This process kicks the muon out to do it all over again some 300 times. This fusion gives us energetic neutrons.” The late Dr. Robert Carroll, a mathematical physicist who worked with Aesop Institute for 12 years until his passing, filed a rejected patent application for Pion fusion in 1971. Using Pion fusion, a Pion (Antimatter) Drive, might allow spacecraft to carry us far beyond the solar system at amazing speeds. Einstein’s mechanics allows a Pion space drive to achieve speeds that will approach the speed of light. In contrast, Carrollian, non-relativistic, physics posits a superluminal Pion powered space drive may approach a speed of 20,000,000 times that of light. If he should be proven correct, Dr. Carroll’s lifetime pursuit of an alternative physics might open paths leading to technology for robotic exploration of Goldilocks planets. Until there is independent laboratory verification of both the Star claim - and some evidence Carroll was correct concerning a pion drive, skepticism is certainly warranted. Mark From: Jones Beene [jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:47 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:ET - Call home Steven, The most basic reason that I think Sitchin and other proponents of "physical" visitation by aliens (the ancient astronaut bogosity) are misguided, at least on the issue of "tangibility" is this. Logic dictates that any advanced civilization, if they exist at all, will not be encumbered by our (humanity's) numerous faults, ego-based deficiencies and animalistic desires. Brutal "conquest" is out of the question (except in a good SciFi movie) and thus, if "they" can transmit information in an intangible but directed way, why waste the expense and risk of *physical* space travel? There is nothing to be gained from a logical perspective by "being there" in person, as we may find out in our collective future, Newt notwithstanding. Especially not if you hold the less controversial view that so-called "remote viewing" is not only possible, but can be made robust using technology. Combine that with directed meme influence and this explains everything about UFOs and ETs. Controlled Remote Viewing (CRV) is a hot topic these days, and I'm sure you know more about it than I do, but Puthoff could be correct on many issues we follow here, and this is yet another one. The precise logical argument is: when you can direct the information necessary to produce the kind of change you desire at lightspeed, but can only get a large and costly space vehicle up to a small fraction of lightspeed - then the changes you wanted to influence (at the ultimate destination, including some benign form of 'conquest') would already be in place long before any vehicle could arrive - so why send one? Even benign "conquest" is accomplished easier "from within" more so than from without. Isn't this kind of evolutionary displacement (in the sense of determining the next dominant species on Earth) exactly what computers and networks are doing to us anyway ? :) Hello, Matrix. Finally, from the economist - which option wins in terms of net cost? CRV plus directed memes, or a manufactured space craft? That is a no-brainer in terms of cost. There is little doubt that when advanced populations reach a certain level - everything breaks down to cost. And yes a modicum of proof could be found soon - that civilizations "elsewhere" are transmitting "meme information" directly to us, possibly to influence such things as computer development and the WWW. The proof could be found a special kind of data processor designed for one thing - ostensibly - but which will document the nature of remote information transfer directly. In effect, it will allow ET to call on a dedicated line. This could be it, but if not, it's a good metaphor since it deals with probability: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Lyric-Invents-New-Type-of-Processor-the-Probability-Chip-152489.shtml And moreover "they" have arguably being doing this kind of non-physical in
