Re: ICCF11 Results

2004-11-13 Thread Jones Beene


Thanks for this info, Steven,

 Now that Naudin has made it to the big time (as far as
sponsorship), I'll
 be quite curious if the CF dev and dissemination continues
on his website.

Probably the unimpeded dissemination has already stopped
some time ago - at least so far as the really important
stuff relating to French *national interests*. What you see
now on the site are likely the rejects- the devices in
which the margin of robust OU are deemed too slim, like the
Frolov tube (COP 1.3).

I had heard from a good source some time ago that the
so-called bingo fuel project and related water-fuel genset
was aleady sucessfully fully modified (mizuno-like) and that
efforts were being made by the French (through US lawyers)
to buy-up some of the patent rights for this type of thing,
which are (were) mostly held here. There are apparently
12-15 fairly strong patents worldwide (if you include the
biomass related ones which Fred Sparber has mentioned) and
apparently a French consortium is trying to get a common IP
cartel worked out for sharing these patent rights
internationally, ahead of any announcement.  A number of US
efforts to produce synthetic gas such as AquafuelT,
AqualeneT, MagnegasT, TrueFuelT, Carbo-hydrogenT not to
mention the many Brown's gas clones - have surfaced in the
past, but few if any appeared to be headed for sucess in the
US - which could relate to the influence of our benevolent
and all-caring Petro shadow-government.

I suspect that Naudin himself is already out of the picture
on this project, but maybe not... That possibility could be
related to why Steven got the hush-hush treatment in his
attempted interview.

If the project has moved into government-supported labs
somewhere, and into the labyrinthian bureauracy, it will
suffer inevitable delay. If we have any French lurkers here
on vortex, it would make a good private eye project to try
to find out the details, as apparently this is fairly
well-known in certain circles - there are now too many
special-interests involved to keep it really secret. Of
course, they would prefer not to see it in print, even on
arcane news groups.

Apparently there is a joint lab for the three French
carmakers: Peugeot Citroën and Renault, which is probably
where this work has been moved to. Those companies, being
nationalized anyway or mostly so, have FAR more incentive to
find and perfect a gasoline-displacing technology than
almost any other country, other than Germany, since France
has so little oil - plus these companies do not fare well in
normal international competition with say, the Germans, so
they are in double need of a boost to the manufacturing
sector. There is also a elfish Petro-government
counter-influence in France, of course, but it is a fraction
of what we have here in the US.

Naudin's original BingoFuel Reactor used ordinary tap water,
consumable carbon electrodes and low voltage electrical
energy for producing a synthetic gas. A plasma is generated
underwater, not unlike the Mizuno work which uses different
parameters. The recent modification probably uses the best
of both. However, it should be emphasized that the heat
ouput of the gas which is generated is MUCH higher than the
amount of consummed carbon would indicate, meaning that
LENR-CANR is involved. Let's make that clear - this is
definitely a CANR device, even though it requires a
continuous input of cabon. For whatever reason, this is hard
for some observers to understand - that CANR can become part
of a compound combustion-oriented technology.

Plus one does not need to provide a *solid* electrode, such
as solid carbon or graphite or even pressed-coal-dust; and
certainly not Mizuno's tungsten, which is way too expensive.
IOW it had already been suggested years ago that one could
pump crude-oil or coal-slurry or biomass slurry, or even
sugar syrup) through a hollow electrode (i.e. through a pair
of oppositely charged pipette-electrodes) and get the same
effect as using two consummable carbon electrodes. That is
probably the route that they have taken.

Even if this does not eliminate the need for fossil fuel,
there is strong evidence for substantial overunity, so
almost everyone concerned would be partially pleased...  IF
it works, of course... (except the seven sisters, so to
speak). The device was already significantly OU before the
Mizuno enhancement, which I suspect relates to the power
input parameters and the type of plamsa created (that
being *eerie pinkish glow* which is said to be somehow very
important),,,

... the small downside of this type of device is that the
output is mixed gas and must be ported immediately into an
engine's intake without any delay, in order to avoid
pre-ignition. You should not attempt to store it, as one
unfortunate Florida company tried to do a few years ago. And
of course the auto owner must fill-up with both water and
some kind of carbon-containing fuel - probably 2-3 times
more water than fuel by weight. A small bother, it would

Re: ICCF11 Results

2004-11-12 Thread Steven Krivit
Hey Vorts...
I met Naudin and interviewed him a bit but he declined to go on record.
I know who is paying his salary though I can't disclose it. It is a major 
agency in France.
He was quite nervous about me talking with him and I found that interesting.
I am undecided as to whether he is a benefit or a detriment to CF.
He clearly has a very sexed-up website and makes it easy for amateurs to 
get their hands on CF and give it a shot.
Is this a good thing?  I don't know.
Does he give sufficient and respectful credit to Mizuno?  I have not spent 
the time to analyze his site to determine this.

My bets are the following:
1. That Naudin attracted his sugar daddy by the strong efforts he has made 
over the years to create his excellent web presence.
2. The people who pay his salary, who were at ICCF-11 will soon figure out 
who the real players, the original scientists in this game are.

Now that Naudin has made it to the big time (as far as sponsorship), I'll 
be quite curious if the CF dev and dissemination continues on his website.

He didn't forbid me to take his picture - so I'll have a nice mugshot of 
him in an upcoming newsletter.
That's about all I know about JLN.

Like Jed, I am working to dig out from data and will have stuff going up on 
www.newenergytimes.com shortly.


At 08:42 AM 11/8/2004 -0800, you wrote:
From: Terry Blanton (in reference of the elebaorate Mizuno
presentation, which immediate appeared in great detail on
Naudin's web-site)
 A *net* reduction in entropy?  Is nothing sacred?
Not to Naudin, that is for sure.
I am curious whether Jed  or any of the other vortex
attendees had occassion to meet Naudin?
He certainly has his ear to the ground like no other
free-energy researcher on the planet, and despite
allegations of being more copy-cat that creative genius
(probably he is a good helping of both), he must be
well-funded... which in France, often means that the
*bureaucracy* is somehow involved... after all, they not
only invented the term and perfected the institution to its
ultimate stage of usefulness (or maximum emmerdement,
shall we say)... in effect the bureaucracy is the French
national condescension to Communist ideals, which surely
would have taken root without it as an weighty
counterbalance - IOW a patronizing gesture has now become a
dominant way of life... and not a bad one... nor an
efficient one either.
Of course, Naudin like the more infamous and infinitely
more boring Professor Nicholas Bourbaki, could end up being
not a single person at all, but a dedicated group of
experimenters(doubtful), but ... as they say in Private
Eye,
I think we should be told   *-)
Jones



Re: ICCF11 Results

2004-11-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: Terry Blanton (in reference of the elebaorate Mizuno
presentation, which immediate appeared in great detail on
Naudin's web-site)

 A *net* reduction in entropy?  Is nothing sacred?


Not to Naudin, that is for sure.

I am curious whether Jed  or any of the other vortex
attendees had occassion to meet Naudin?

He certainly has his ear to the ground like no other
free-energy researcher on the planet, and despite
allegations of being more copy-cat that creative genius
(probably he is a good helping of both), he must be
well-funded... which in France, often means that the
*bureaucracy* is somehow involved... after all, they not
only invented the term and perfected the institution to its
ultimate stage of usefulness (or maximum emmerdement,
shall we say)... in effect the bureaucracy is the French
national condescension to Communist ideals, which surely
would have taken root without it as an weighty
counterbalance - IOW a patronizing gesture has now become a
dominant way of life... and not a bad one... nor an
efficient one either.

Of course, Naudin like the more infamous and infinitely
more boring Professor Nicholas Bourbaki, could end up being
not a single person at all, but a dedicated group of
experimenters(doubtful), but ... as they say in Private
Eye,

I think we should be told   *-)

Jones




ICCF11 Results

2004-11-07 Thread Terry Blanton
Jed  Ed,
ICCF10 was phenomenal in that working demonstrations of LENR-CANR cells 
were demonstrated.  Was there anything as exciting at ICCF11?