Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Jack Cole]

Good points Fran.  I remember a past discussion about nano-antennas greatly
amplifying EM, which presumably would also affect space/time according to
this theory.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 9:47 AM Roarty, Francis X 
wrote:

> Only got a moment but wanted to interject a comment and a thought here, I
> think this line of investigation has the low hanging fruit that could
> finally get us over the cusp, I hope the researchers will use LENR as a
> test bed for their investigation because I am convinced it represents
> associated parameters of constraint just like the difference between [P1V1]
> = [P2V2] and [P1V1/T1] =[P2V2/T2], It is the reason these anomalies are
> detectable in LENR even though the magnetic constrains are presently due to
> happenstance.  The research between magnetic fields and gravity need to be
> conjoined with LENR to provide the constraints needed for robust measurable
> anomalies to occur at reasonable levels of effort instead of requiring
> collider scale superconductors to elicit.
>
> Fran
>
> *From:* Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:14 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve
> Space-time
>
>
>
> From the link that Arnaud sent, there is an interesting possible
> application (emphasis mine).  Google translated.
>
>
>
> "André Füzfa: that's it! My basic question was how to generate gravity at
> will. And how to do it on the basis of the technology we have now. Magnetic
> fields (or electric) are the only suitable candidates, since the control by
> making them appear or disappear at will (almost). It revolutionizes our way
> of studying gravitation! And this will also be a way to use it to our
> technology! *Imagine such a way to communicate from one end to the other
> of the globe without the need for satellite or terrestrial relay ...!* It
> would be a revolution authorized by the gravitational wave generation using
> alternative intense electric currents."
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 2:33 AM Arnaud Kodeck 
> wrote:
>
> Here is an interview of André Füzfa is the local newsweek:
> http://www.levif.be/actualite/sciences/maitriser-la-gravitation-le-belge-qui-bouscule-la-theorie-d-einstein/article-normal-447671.html
>
>
>
> It is written in French.
>
> Arnaud
> ----------------------
>
> *From:* Rich Murray [mailto:rmfor...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* mardi 12 janvier 2016 05:49
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com; Rich Murray
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time
>
>
>
>
> http://www.unamur.be/services/sevrex/sevrexp/librecourriel/2013/lcl-79/fuzfa-andre/view
>
>
>
> nice friendly happy bright confident open face
>
>
>
> ah, what will be emerging by 2116... ??
>
>
>
> !! Rich
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> The Rodin coil is raped in a vortex. It produces a monopole magnetic field.
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZefDwDzHKLA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
> Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at
> least been accepted for publication in Physical Review D
> <http://journals.aps.org/prd/accepted/9c071Y13Qf01b540790037d706f539446ab0764e8>.
> The full paper is available on Arxiv
> <http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.00333v3.pdf>.
>
>
>
> They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and
> detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics
> proposed.  Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no
> practical value in the immediate future, they note:
>
>
>
> "Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic
> field in laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability
> to produce, detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields.
> And would this technology be developed, it could lead to amazing
> applications like the controlled emission of gravitational waves with large
> alternative electric currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of
> the four fundamental forces not under control by human beings."
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Roarty, Francis X]

Only got a moment but wanted to interject a comment and a thought here, I think 
this line of investigation has the low hanging fruit that could finally get us 
over the cusp, I hope the researchers will use LENR as a test bed for their 
investigation because I am convinced it represents associated parameters of 
constraint just like the difference between [P1V1] = [P2V2] and [P1V1/T1] 
=[P2V2/T2], It is the reason these anomalies are detectable in LENR even though 
the magnetic constrains are presently due to happenstance.  The research 
between magnetic fields and gravity need to be conjoined with LENR to provide 
the constraints needed for robust measurable anomalies to occur at reasonable 
levels of effort instead of requiring collider scale superconductors to elicit.
Fran
From: Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:14 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

From the link that Arnaud sent, there is an interesting possible application 
(emphasis mine).  Google translated.

"André Füzfa: that's it! My basic question was how to generate gravity at will. 
And how to do it on the basis of the technology we have now. Magnetic fields 
(or electric) are the only suitable candidates, since the control by making 
them appear or disappear at will (almost). It revolutionizes our way of 
studying gravitation! And this will also be a way to use it to our technology! 
Imagine such a way to communicate from one end to the other of the globe 
without the need for satellite or terrestrial relay ...! It would be a 
revolution authorized by the gravitational wave generation using alternative 
intense electric currents."

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 2:33 AM Arnaud Kodeck 
mailto:arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be>> wrote:
Here is an interview of André Füzfa is the local newsweek: 
http://www.levif.be/actualite/sciences/maitriser-la-gravitation-le-belge-qui-bouscule-la-theorie-d-einstein/article-normal-447671.html

It is written in French.
Arnaud

From: Rich Murray [mailto:rmfor...@gmail.com<mailto:rmfor...@gmail.com>]
Sent: mardi 12 janvier 2016 05:49
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>; Rich Murray
Subject: Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

http://www.unamur.be/services/sevrex/sevrexp/librecourriel/2013/lcl-79/fuzfa-andre/view

nice friendly happy bright confident open face

ah, what will be emerging by 2116... ??

!! Rich

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Axil Axil 
mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The Rodin coil is raped in a vortex. It produces a monopole magnetic field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZefDwDzHKLA



On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jack Cole 
mailto:jcol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at least 
been accepted for publication in Physical Review 
D<http://journals.aps.org/prd/accepted/9c071Y13Qf01b540790037d706f539446ab0764e8>.
  The full paper is available on Arxiv<http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.00333v3.pdf>.

They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and 
detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics proposed.  
Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no practical value in the 
immediate future, they note:

"Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic field in 
laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability to produce, 
detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields. And would this 
technology be developed, it could lead to amazing applications like the 
controlled emission of gravitational waves with large alternative electric 
currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of the four fundamental 
forces not under control by human beings."

Jack

Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Jack Cole]

>From the link that Arnaud sent, there is an interesting possible
application (emphasis mine).  Google translated.

"André Füzfa: that's it! My basic question was how to generate gravity at
will. And how to do it on the basis of the technology we have now. Magnetic
fields (or electric) are the only suitable candidates, since the control by
making them appear or disappear at will (almost). It revolutionizes our way
of studying gravitation! And this will also be a way to use it to our
technology! *Imagine such a way to communicate from one end to the other of
the globe without the need for satellite or terrestrial relay ...!* It
would be a revolution authorized by the gravitational wave generation using
alternative intense electric currents."

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 2:33 AM Arnaud Kodeck 
wrote:

> Here is an interview of André Füzfa is the local newsweek:
> http://www.levif.be/actualite/sciences/maitriser-la-gravitation-le-belge-qui-bouscule-la-theorie-d-einstein/article-normal-447671.html
>
>
>
> It is written in French.
>
> Arnaud
> --
>
> *From:* Rich Murray [mailto:rmfor...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* mardi 12 janvier 2016 05:49
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com; Rich Murray
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time
>
>
>
>
> http://www.unamur.be/services/sevrex/sevrexp/librecourriel/2013/lcl-79/fuzfa-andre/view
>
>
>
> nice friendly happy bright confident open face
>
>
>
> ah, what will be emerging by 2116... ??
>
>
>
> !! Rich
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> The Rodin coil is raped in a vortex. It produces a monopole magnetic field.
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZefDwDzHKLA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
> Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at
> least been accepted for publication in Physical Review D
> <http://journals.aps.org/prd/accepted/9c071Y13Qf01b540790037d706f539446ab0764e8>.
> The full paper is available on Arxiv
> <http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.00333v3.pdf>.
>
>
>
> They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and
> detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics
> proposed.  Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no
> practical value in the immediate future, they note:
>
>
>
> "Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic
> field in laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability
> to produce, detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields.
> And would this technology be developed, it could lead to amazing
> applications like the controlled emission of gravitational waves with large
> alternative electric currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of
> the four fundamental forces not under control by human beings."
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Arnaud Kodeck]

Here is an interview of André Füzfa is the local newsweek:
http://www.levif.be/actualite/sciences/maitriser-la-gravitation-le-belge-qui
-bouscule-la-theorie-d-einstein/article-normal-447671.html

 

It is written in French.

Arnaud

  _  

From: Rich Murray [mailto:rmfor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: mardi 12 janvier 2016 05:49
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Rich Murray
Subject: Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

 

http://www.unamur.be/services/sevrex/sevrexp/librecourriel/2013/lcl-79/fuzfa
-andre/view

 

nice friendly happy bright confident open face

 

ah, what will be emerging by 2116... ??

 

!! Rich

 

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

The Rodin coil is raped in a vortex. It produces a monopole magnetic field.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZefDwDzHKLA

 

 

 

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:

Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at
least been accepted for publication in Physical Review D
<http://journals.aps.org/prd/accepted/9c071Y13Qf01b540790037d706f539446ab076
4e8> .  The full paper is available on Arxiv
<http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.00333v3.pdf> .

 

They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and
detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics proposed.
Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no practical value in
the immediate future, they note:

 

"Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic field
in laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability to
produce, detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields. And
would this technology be developed, it could lead to amazing applications
like the controlled emission of gravitational waves with large alternative
electric currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of the four
fundamental forces not under control by human beings."

 

Jack

 

 

Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Rich Murray]

http://www.unamur.be/services/sevrex/sevrexp/librecourriel/2013/lcl-79/fuzfa-andre/view

nice friendly happy bright confident open face

ah, what will be emerging by 2116... ??

!! Rich

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> The Rodin coil is raped in a vortex. It produces a monopole magnetic field.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZefDwDzHKLA
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>> Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at
>> least been accepted for publication in Physical Review D
>> .
>> The full paper is available on Arxiv
>> .
>>
>> They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism
>> and detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics
>> proposed.  Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no
>> practical value in the immediate future, they note:
>>
>> "Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic
>> field in laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability
>> to produce, detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields.
>> And would this technology be developed, it could lead to amazing
>> applications like the controlled emission of gravitational waves with large
>> alternative electric currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of
>> the four fundamental forces not under control by human beings."
>>
>> Jack
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Axil Axil]

The Rodin coil is raped in a vortex. It produces a monopole magnetic field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZefDwDzHKLA



On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at
> least been accepted for publication in Physical Review D
> .
> The full paper is available on Arxiv
> .
>
> They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and
> detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics
> proposed.  Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no
> practical value in the immediate future, they note:
>
> "Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic
> field in laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability
> to produce, detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields.
> And would this technology be developed, it could lead to amazing
> applications like the controlled emission of gravitational waves with large
> alternative electric currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of
> the four fundamental forces not under control by human beings."
>
> Jack
>

Re: RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[H Veeder]

Could this process work in reverse, so that the energy of the electrons
could be transferred to the nucleons and stored in the nucleus?

Harry

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Bob Cook wrote:

>
>
> I have long thought that the magnetic field in a metal aligns the spins of
> the electrons as well as the nucleons and provides a coupling mechanism to
> match resonances and hence allow transfer of nuclear spin  potential energy
> to the phonic energy of electrons.
>
>

RE: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Jones Beene]

One point worth adding to this discussion is the most amazing claim of Holmlid 
for lots of muons produced from UDD irradiation. 

There is an almost mundane explanation for this. Actually it may involve 
space-time as well, but surprisingly – the muons seen could originate in Space, 
instead of as a product of nucleon disintegration. Holmlid could be seeing 
several weeks of muon accumulation in a few minutes. 

In short, it is not ruled out that the initial muons seen by Holmlid are of 
cosmological origin and have been accumulating slowly in the UDD material 
during a formative stage, and are then released quickly during a brief phase of 
increased radiation from the laser. They then multiply, but the main point is 
that Electron Degenerate Matter EDG is a common occurrence in cosmology, and  a 
number of experts in this field think that “Fermi suppression” would be the 
operative mechanism for muon stability in EDG,  due to an oddity of quantum 
mechanics. If this were true, then we have another piece of the Holmlid puzzle. 

Here is the argument:
1)  There are a number of cosmologists specializing in collapsed stars, who 
claim that muons “should be stable” in electron-degenerate matter. They offer 
mathematical proof that is beyond my pay grade.
2)  Creation of UDD may involve degenerate-electron accumulation, which has 
a secondary side effect of stabilizing muons.
3)  There is a constant flux of muons on the earth’s surface which usually 
decay quickly, but if they can first interact with degenerate electrons, they 
could stabilize before decay and the population will grow
4)  Holmlid has stated that it can take weeks of low power operation before 
the muon effect is seen. Once accumulated muons are released, they could 
produce a secondary stream via interaction with UDD.

Speaking of high current loops… (at the nanoscale, which is to say: 
nanomagnetics).
High current loops have been associated with SPP. There is a tendency to toss 
around the term SPP or “plasmonics” as if it was synonymous with an intense 
magnetic field, but this not always true. SPP are surface photon waves along a 
metal-dielectric interface which will occur without a strong magnetic field if 
high current loops are absent. Lossless current loops are required to 
concentrate wave energy in a perpendicular vortex. 
Is it coincidental that hexagonal structure in the dielectric of an SPP almost 
always creates an intense magnetic field? The key to understanding this 
phenomenon could be “ring current,” in the context of hexagonal nanostructure. 
The first notice of this phenomenon goes back to the study of benzene 
structures in NMR, where “aromatic ring current” is an effect observed in six 
carbon compounds which are otherwise nonconductive. If a magnetic field is 
applied perpendicular to the plane of the aromatic, as in NMR - ring current is 
induced non-conductors. 
Ring current appears as localized current which flows around the 6 iron atoms 
in the hematite ring, normally a dielectric. Ring current is ironically much 
more intense than vectored current – resulting in a near-field of hundreds or 
even thousands of T. when the field is amplified by SPP. 
An intuitive operative theory for the “glow” type of LENR can be based this 
intense kilo-T field of SPP being sufficient to collapse hydrogen orbitals down 
to a few picometers. The result is not Rydberg matter per se, but an inverted 
version. Possibly, the electrons become degenerate instead of displaced, and 
thus become non-interacting. Degenerate electrons are non-interacting. Best of 
all, removal of degeneracy can provide the gain seen in LENR in a non-nuclear 
fashion.
The intense magnetic field of ring current is a direct consequence of Ampère's 
law since electrons are free to circulate in a lossless loop almost as if 
superconductive. Ring electrons could be paired as well. Ironically, if ring 
current serves to produce electron degeneracy, you end up with the inverted 
state - in contrast to normal Rydberg matter. And the two types of electrons, 
relativistic and degenerate – are in close proximity, setting the stage for 
gain. 
From: Roarty, Francis X 
Hi Jack, I have been following this also and even the proposed use of large 
superconducting magnets in a collider are only expected to produce miniscule 
variations but just proving the correlation is a very important step and I 
think LENR will benefit enormously. Jones’ focus on a correlation between 
magnetic fields and LENR may turn out to be an understatement if, as I suspect, 
there is synergy between the suppression of a lattice NAE and  the size of the 
magnetic field needed to redirect gravity.
Fran
From: Jack Cole 
Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at least 
been accepted for publication in Physical Review D 

 .  The full paper is available on Arxiv 

RE: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Jones Beene]

Speaking of high current loops… (at the nanoscale, which is to say: 
nanomagnetics).

High current loops have been associated with SPP. There is a tendency to toss 
around the term SPP or “plasmonics” as if it was synonymous with an intense 
magnetic field, but this not always true. SPP are surface photon waves along a 
metal-dielectric interface which will occur without a strong magnetic field if 
high current loops are absent. Lossless current loops are required to 
concentrate wave energy in a perpendicular vortex. 

Is it coincidental that hexagonal structure in the dielectric of an SPP almost 
always creates an intense magnetic field? The key to understanding this 
phenomenon could be “ring current,” in the context of hexagonal nanostructure. 
The first notice of this phenomenon goes back to the study of benzene 
structures in NMR, where “aromatic ring current” is an effect observed in six 
carbon compounds which are otherwise nonconductive. If a magnetic field is 
applied perpendicular to the plane of the aromatic, as in NMR - ring current is 
induced non-conductors. 

Ring current appears as localized current which flows around the 6 iron atoms 
in the hematite ring, normally a dielectric. Ring current is ironically much 
more intense than vectored current – resulting in a near-field of hundreds or 
even thousands of T. when the field is amplified by SPP. 

An intuitive operative theory for the “glow” type of LENR can be based this 
intense kilo-T field of SPP being sufficient to collapse hydrogen orbitals down 
to a few picometers. The result is not Rydberg matter per se, but an inverted 
version. Possibly, the electrons become degenerate instead of displaced, and 
thus become non-interacting. Degenerate electrons are non-interacting. Best of 
all, removal of degeneracy can provide the gain seen in LENR in a non-nuclear 
fashion.

The intense magnetic field of ring current is a direct consequence of Ampère's 
law since electrons are free to circulate in a lossless loop almost as if 
superconductive. Ring electrons could be paired as well. Ironically, if ring 
current serves to produce electron degeneracy, you end up with the inverted 
state - in contrast to normal Rydberg matter. And the two types of electrons, 
relativistic and degenerate – are in close proximity, setting the stage for 
gain. 

From: Roarty, Francis X 

Hi Jack, I have been following this also and even the proposed use of large 
superconducting magnets in a collider are only expected to produce miniscule 
variations but just proving the correlation is a very important step and I 
think LENR will benefit enormously. Jones’ focus on a correlation between 
magnetic fields and LENR may turn out to be an understatement if, as I suspect, 
there is synergy between the suppression of a lattice NAE and  the size of the 
magnetic field needed to redirect gravity.
Fran

From: Jack Cole 

Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at least 
been accepted for publication in Physical Review D 

 .  The full paper is available on Arxiv 
 .

They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and 
detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics proposed.  
Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no practical value in the 
immediate future, they note:

"Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic field in 
laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability to produce, 
detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields. And would this 
technology be developed, it could lead to amazing applications like the 
controlled emission of gravitational waves with large alternative electric 
currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of the four fundamental 
forces not under control by human beings."

Jack

Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Bob Cook]

The paper Jack identified addresses the issue of what happens to a photon in an 
intense magnetic field.  This question was raised a few months ago on Vortex 
with regard to the control of radiation in LENR and the potential effect of 
intense magnetic fields associated with SPP’s.  

It seems another dot in the LENR puzzle may be connected.

Bob Cook

From: Jack Cole 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 5:48 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at least 
been accepted for publication in Physical Review D.  The full paper is 
available on Arxiv. 

They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and 
detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics proposed.  
Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no practical value in the 
immediate future, they note:

"Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic field in 
laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability to produce, 
detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields. And would this 
technology be developed, it could lead to amazing applications like the 
controlled emission of gravitational waves with large alternative electric 
currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of the four fundamental 
forces not under control by human beings."

Jack

Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[David Roberson]

If you assume that energy is stored within the field structure then it follows 
that space would be warped by the mass associated with that energy.  Would it 
not be a surprise to find otherwise?

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Roarty, Francis X 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Jan 11, 2016 9:16 am
Subject: RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time



Hi Jack, I have been following this also and even the proposed use of large 
superconducting magnets in a collider are only expected to produce miniscule 
variations but just proving the correlation is a very important step and I 
think LENR will benefit enormously. Jones’ focus on a correlation between 
magnetic fields and LENR may turn out to be an understatement if, as I suspect, 
there is synergy between the suppression of a lattice NAE and  the size of the 
magnetic field needed to redirect gravity.
Fran
 
From: Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:48 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time
 

Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at least 
been accepted for publication in Physical Review D.  The full paper is 
available on Arxiv.

 

They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and 
detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics proposed.  
Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no practical value in the 
immediate future, they note:

 

"Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic field in 
laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability to produce, 
detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields. And would this 
technology be developed, it could lead to amazing applications like the 
controlled emission of gravitational waves with large alternative electric 
currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of the four fundamental 
forces not under control by human beings."

 

Jack

Re: RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Bob Cook]

Fran--

It seems we have the same notions.  

I have long thought that the magnetic field in a metal aligns the spins of the 
electrons as well as the nucleons and provides a coupling mechanism to match 
resonances and hence allow transfer of nuclear spin  potential energy to the 
phonic energy of electrons.  

Bob Cook

From: Roarty, Francis X 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 6:15 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

Hi Jack, I have been following this also and even the proposed use of large 
superconducting magnets in a collider are only expected to produce miniscule 
variations but just proving the correlation is a very important step and I 
think LENR will benefit enormously. Jones’ focus on a correlation between 
magnetic fields and LENR may turn out to be an understatement if, as I suspect, 
there is synergy between the suppression of a lattice NAE and  the size of the 
magnetic field needed to redirect gravity.

Fran

 

From: Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:48 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

 

Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at least 
been accepted for publication in Physical Review D.  The full paper is 
available on Arxiv.

 

They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and 
detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics proposed.  
Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no practical value in the 
immediate future, they note:

 

"Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic field in 
laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability to produce, 
detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields. And would this 
technology be developed, it could lead to amazing applications like the 
controlled emission of gravitational waves with large alternative electric 
currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of the four fundamental 
forces not under control by human beings."

 

Jack

Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Bob Cook]

The connection between magnetic fields and gravity is potentially the 
explanation of Fran’s ideas about changing space time and its apparent effect 
on reaction rates of particles.  The SPP is one possibility of large magnetic 
fields and the Idea Higgins presented about the stacking of UDD snowflakes is 
another potential for ultra high magnetic B fields at the nano scale.  Intense 
laser beams also have high magnetic fields for short periods.  The variable 
fields may be the effect that allows control of the coupling and hence 
potential energy—to---heat  rate.

Bob Cook 

From: Jack Cole 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 5:48 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at least 
been accepted for publication in Physical Review D.  The full paper is 
available on Arxiv. 

They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and 
detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics proposed.  
Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no practical value in the 
immediate future, they note:

"Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic field in 
laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability to produce, 
detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields. And would this 
technology be developed, it could lead to amazing applications like the 
controlled emission of gravitational waves with large alternative electric 
currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of the four fundamental 
forces not under control by human beings."

Jack

RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Roarty, Francis X]

Hi Jack, I have been following this also and even the proposed use of large 
superconducting magnets in a collider are only expected to produce miniscule 
variations but just proving the correlation is a very important step and I 
think LENR will benefit enormously. Jones’ focus on a correlation between 
magnetic fields and LENR may turn out to be an understatement if, as I suspect, 
there is synergy between the suppression of a lattice NAE and  the size of the 
magnetic field needed to redirect gravity.
Fran

From: Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:48 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at least 
been accepted for publication in Physical Review 
D.
  The full paper is available on Arxiv.

They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and 
detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics proposed.  
Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no practical value in the 
immediate future, they note:

"Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic field in 
laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability to produce, 
detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields. And would this 
technology be developed, it could lead to amazing applications like the 
controlled emission of gravitational waves with large alternative electric 
currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of the four fundamental 
forces not under control by human beings."

Jack