Re: [Vo]:13th Floor - deja vu all over again

[Blaze Spinnaker]

This star trek episode was much better, IMHO:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inner_Light_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

One thing Sim theory does is really give a new light on Heaven and Hell.
Better make good choices, or your uploaded brain could be placed into Sim
HELL and as someone who've played some pretty scary video games, I can only
imagine how bad Sim HELL could really be.

Sim heaven, on the other hand, could be pretty awesome.


On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. <hoyt-stea...@cox.net>
wrote:

> One of my dramatizations of this theme is from StarTrek NG.  Note it has
> recursion and chirality reversal -- very well done!
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> Ship in a bottle; Elementary Dear Data
> <http://hoytstearns.com/Abraham/ElementaryDearData_ShipInABottle.wmv>
>
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> Hoyt Stearns
>
> Scottsdale Arizona US
>
>
>
> *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2016 2:12 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:13th Floor - deja vu all over again
>
>
>
> *From:* Blaze Spinnaker
>
> Ø   Also, it does lend credence to concepts of immortality. One goal
> of transhumanists is backing up your 'brain'. If you die, you just need to
> reload it into a simulation.
>
> Who needs the simulation, or stated differently, isn’t the Sim intrinsic
> to power-law evolution? Can an individual use the Sim to avoid being
> locked into an endless succession of Sims?
>
> It may be possible within a generation to essentially “download a brain”… such
> that the dying individual at least has the comfort of a
> continuity-mythology (of a scientific variety)… IOW, which is not tied to
> the whims of 3000 year old fairy tales … including the reality of a
> special kind of physical immortality.
>
> The evolution of the SSD, the PC, AI and AR is clearly towards the 
> implementation
> of the SSS – the solid state soul… J The SSS can find a carrier in many
> kinds of vehicles.
>
> There is even an advantage to accomplishing this kind of mechanical
> continuity outside the Sim, for the most successful individuals, the 2%. Side
> note: In truth, this select few should be far less than 1 percent of the
> general population, but there is a wider margin, based on other factors in
> a capitalistic society, including wealth. This is most evident in a
> political season.
>
> The disembodied (re-bodied) soul of the second tier (the Betas of Brave
> New World) as an SSS becomes a marketable item in a capitalist system, as
> does the genetically perfected body. Evolution is taken over by an
> exponential power law. The Sim is inevitable at some point and ingrained
> in the process, so the next goal is to develop the best Sim in order to jump
> out of the Sim-cycle.
>
> The wealthy would-be couple avoid children in favor or wealth, or most
> likely the single parent, who then will buy a genetically engineered
> near-duplicate body, a product of a surrogate mother, based his/her own
> perfected genome – which is of course the equivalent of the “alphas” of
> BNW. They can shop around for available compatible souls to supplement
> his/her own contribution - from a broker of such - as a head-start
> towards evolution of both together.
>
> The possibilities are mind boggling … especially with a fine Pinot Noir
> to be sampled at 5… or earlier if this thread mutates into new territory…
>
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RE: [Vo]:13th Floor - deja vu all over again

[Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.]

One of my dramatizations of this theme is from StarTrek NG.  Note it has 
recursion and chirality reversal -- very well done!





Ship in a bottle; Elementary Dear Data 
<http://hoytstearns.com/Abraham/ElementaryDearData_ShipInABottle.wmv>





Hoyt Stearns

Scottsdale Arizona US



From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 2:12 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:13th Floor - deja vu all over again



From: Blaze Spinnaker

Ø   Also, it does lend credence to concepts of immortality. One goal of 
transhumanists is backing up your 'brain'. If you die, you just need to reload 
it into a simulation.

Who needs the simulation, or stated differently, isn’t the Sim intrinsic to 
power-law evolution? Can an individual use the Sim to avoid being locked into 
an endless succession of Sims?

It may be possible within a generation to essentially “download a brain”… such 
that the dying individual at least has the comfort of a continuity-mythology 
(of a scientific variety)… IOW, which is not tied to the whims of 3000 year old 
fairy tales … including the reality of a special kind of physical immortality.

The evolution of the SSD, the PC, AI and AR is clearly towards the 
implementation of the SSS – the solid state soul… J The SSS can find a carrier 
in many kinds of vehicles.

There is even an advantage to accomplishing this kind of mechanical continuity 
outside the Sim, for the most successful individuals, the 2%. Side note: In 
truth, this select few should be far less than 1 percent of the general 
population, but there is a wider margin, based on other factors in a 
capitalistic society, including wealth. This is most evident in a political 
season.

The disembodied (re-bodied) soul of the second tier (the Betas of Brave New 
World) as an SSS becomes a marketable item in a capitalist system, as does the 
genetically perfected body. Evolution is taken over by an exponential power 
law. The Sim is inevitable at some point and ingrained in the process, so the 
next goal is to develop the best Sim in order to jump out of the Sim-cycle.

The wealthy would-be couple avoid children in favor or wealth, or most likely 
the single parent, who then will buy a genetically engineered near-duplicate 
body, a product of a surrogate mother, based his/her own perfected genome – 
which is of course the equivalent of the “alphas” of BNW. They can shop around 
for available compatible souls to supplement his/her own contribution - from a 
broker of such - as a head-start towards evolution of both together.

The possibilities are mind boggling … especially with a fine Pinot Noir to be 
sampled at 5… or earlier if this thread mutates into new territory…



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RE: [Vo]:13th Floor - deja vu all over again

[Jones Beene]

From: Blaze Spinnaker 

*   Also, it does lend credence to concepts of immortality. One goal of 
transhumanists is backing up your 'brain'. If you die, you just need to reload 
it into a simulation.

Who needs the simulation, or stated differently, isn’t the Sim intrinsic to 
power-law evolution? Can an individual use the Sim to avoid being locked into 
an endless succession of Sims?

It may be possible within a generation to essentially “download a brain”… such 
that the dying individual at least has the comfort of a continuity-mythology 
(of a scientific variety)… IOW, which is not tied to the whims of 3000 year old 
fairy tales … including the reality of a special kind of physical immortality.

The evolution of the SSD, the PC, AI and AR is clearly towards the 
implementation of the SSS – the solid state soul… :-) The SSS can find a 
carrier in many kinds of vehicles.

There is even an advantage to accomplishing this kind of mechanical continuity 
outside the Sim, for the most successful individuals, the 2%. Side note: In 
truth, this select few should be far less than 1 percent of the general 
population, but there is a wider margin, based on other factors in a 
capitalistic society, including wealth. This is most evident in a political 
season.

The disembodied (re-bodied) soul of the second tier (the Betas of Brave New 
World) as an SSS becomes a marketable item in a capitalist system, as does the 
genetically perfected body. Evolution is taken over by an exponential power 
law. The Sim is inevitable at some point and ingrained in the process, so the 
next goal is to develop the best Sim in order to jump out of the Sim-cycle.

The wealthy would-be couple avoid children in favor or wealth, or most likely 
the single parent, who then will buy a genetically engineered near-duplicate 
body, a product of a surrogate mother, based his/her own perfected genome – 
which is of course the equivalent of the “alphas” of BNW. They can shop around 
for available compatible souls to supplement his/her own contribution - from a 
broker of such - as a head-start towards evolution of both together. 

The possibilities are mind boggling … especially with a fine Pinot Noir to be 
sampled at 5… or earlier if this thread mutates into new territory…

Re: [Vo]:13th Floor - deja vu all over again

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Also, it does lend credence to concepts of immortality.   One goal of
transhumanists is backing up your 'brain'.  If you die, you just need to
reload it into a simulation.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> Oh, I dunno, if you model the universe as a simulation you can attempt to
> make some assumptions about how the simulation substrate is structured.
> Once you have that, you can think about ways of 'piercing the veil'.   You
> can also leverage the model to make more consistent theories about way
> things work.
>
> I don't think it's an idle speculation.
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>>
>> *http://www.techtimes.com/articles/152927/20160423/universe-probably-simulation-neil-degrasse-tyson.htm*
>> 
>>
>> The headline is an attention grabber:
>>
>> *Universe Is Probably A Simulation*: Neil DeGrasse Tyson
>>
>> Tyson is a product of television’s need to put a smiling PC face on
>> science, and is almost as much of a mock-traditionalist (and pompous
>> luddite wrt LENR) as is Michio Kaku and a few others. However, they know
>> how to surf a few extreme notions, so long as they can find a niche which 
>> captures
>> the imagination and is impossible to falsify.
>>
>> Tyson may have gotten his head out of his… err… blind spot, long enough
>> to make an interesting call on the matrix theme which comes up here from
>> time to time. In another part of the Universe, his doppelganger is
>> probably smiling to a camera, playing up the cold fusion discovery.
>>
>> We need to get hold of that Sim code and reboot. BTW, here is a seriously
>> pompous explanation of the Sim-concept from Bostrom, who has his head so
>> far in the black hole that he fails to mention the movie, as if it were
>> some kind of lowbrow pandering that doesn’t really matter very much to
>> geniuses in ivory towers.
>>
>> *http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html*
>> 
>>
>> BTW – as to the Wachowskis – they were lucky with the Matrix, not good.
>> The sequels were among the worst films in the history of Hollywood… but
>> heck, I’d rather be lucky than good on most days… wouldn’t you?
>>
>> Think: Tsutomu Yamaguchi.  He was on a business trip to Hiroshima on
>> August 6th, 1945. As he arrived, a bomb named “little boy” blew up a few
>> miles away. He was shielded by the train. After spending a night in an
>> air raid shelter, unhurt but shaken, Yamaguchi went home. To Nagasaki. He
>> survived that one too. The original meme model for: “been there, done
>> that.”
>>
>> As for putting a pretty face on the less explosive science of LENR, I’ll
>> stick with Julian Schwinger or Brian Josephson if a prominent name just
>> has to attach to every belief structure… instead of Luddite talking heads,
>> pandering to publically funded constituencies in Big-Science… Hear, hear…
>> More money for LHC!
>>
>> … but occasionally picking up on an outlier... for the PR effect.
>>
>> That’s why we love out boob-tube.
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:13th Floor - deja vu all over again

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Oh, I dunno, if you model the universe as a simulation you can attempt to
make some assumptions about how the simulation substrate is structured.
Once you have that, you can think about ways of 'piercing the veil'.   You
can also leverage the model to make more consistent theories about way
things work.

I don't think it's an idle speculation.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>
> *http://www.techtimes.com/articles/152927/20160423/universe-probably-simulation-neil-degrasse-tyson.htm*
> 
>
> The headline is an attention grabber:
>
> *Universe Is Probably A Simulation*: Neil DeGrasse Tyson
>
> Tyson is a product of television’s need to put a smiling PC face on
> science, and is almost as much of a mock-traditionalist (and pompous
> luddite wrt LENR) as is Michio Kaku and a few others. However, they know
> how to surf a few extreme notions, so long as they can find a niche which 
> captures
> the imagination and is impossible to falsify.
>
> Tyson may have gotten his head out of his… err… blind spot, long enough
> to make an interesting call on the matrix theme which comes up here from
> time to time. In another part of the Universe, his doppelganger is
> probably smiling to a camera, playing up the cold fusion discovery.
>
> We need to get hold of that Sim code and reboot. BTW, here is a seriously
> pompous explanation of the Sim-concept from Bostrom, who has his head so
> far in the black hole that he fails to mention the movie, as if it were
> some kind of lowbrow pandering that doesn’t really matter very much to
> geniuses in ivory towers.
>
> *http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html*
> 
>
> BTW – as to the Wachowskis – they were lucky with the Matrix, not good.
> The sequels were among the worst films in the history of Hollywood… but
> heck, I’d rather be lucky than good on most days… wouldn’t you?
>
> Think: Tsutomu Yamaguchi.  He was on a business trip to Hiroshima on
> August 6th, 1945. As he arrived, a bomb named “little boy” blew up a few
> miles away. He was shielded by the train. After spending a night in an
> air raid shelter, unhurt but shaken, Yamaguchi went home. To Nagasaki. He
> survived that one too. The original meme model for: “been there, done
> that.”
>
> As for putting a pretty face on the less explosive science of LENR, I’ll
> stick with Julian Schwinger or Brian Josephson if a prominent name just
> has to attach to every belief structure… instead of Luddite talking heads,
> pandering to publically funded constituencies in Big-Science… Hear, hear…
> More money for LHC!
>
> … but occasionally picking up on an outlier... for the PR effect.
>
> That’s why we love out boob-tube.
>
>